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    kim- a few questions…

    Is this lady asking you to assist her? And how can you think that if her house is worth in the mid-100k’s, and you offer her 78k, that that is win/win? Are you suggesting that you would offer her half the value of the home, and that is win/win?

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    Rodie,

    In some cases, the ex can become a best friend- rare, perhaps, but possible, and if you have your boundaries sorted, there’s no reason why you can’t do a joint venture together. My ex and I are very close, both have real estate interests- which we started together, and i would be happy to invest with her, because I know her inside out… (too much information, I know). The “relationship emotion” has been removed as we’ve both moved on with new partners, but we both have the same ways of seeing real estate. If we still had relationship feelings towartds each other, or would feel differently about investing if there were other people in our lives… then I wouldn’t invest with her.

    Aside from the relationship factor, the limited amount of info you’ve provided re your situation, means it’s hard to give an opinion… but if ya wanna get out of debt, then I guess you need to develop a plan- hehe. I’m bad at planning, but others on here aren’t :) Can your accountant give you some advice? Financial planner? Are you both working? Saving?

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    Extremely below value huh, kim? how is this win/win? I hope the lady receives good legal advice.

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    Steve,

    Congrats on the book. Perhaps the sydneysiders can have a reunion like for the Property Expo, and we can bring the usual suspects along- sis, Chan, PG (ahem- come home immediately!) Rugby, Teacher, melbear (poke poke Mel!) and a few unusual suspects, too :)

    Could be lots of fun, I think :)

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    I think it’s also about choices. I’ve had an interest in straight economics before my interest in political economy. I *choose* not to invest in shares- not due to fear etc. If I wanted to invest, I’d learn more about the nuance of them, but it’s just not an interest. Property will always be an interest.

    I’m more interested in how I make the buck than in merely making the buck. Not everyone has the same goal of wealth. I’m pretty zen about money [goatee] and CG is, to me, a bonus, but not my sole aim. I’ve always had a relaxed approach to money- there’s so much more to life.

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    Very true, sis. I see shares, though, as a lot like putting money on a horse. You can study the form guide, check out the horse’s history, know the jockey’s form, test out the track conditions… but at the end of the day, there are still so many unknowns. The thing with shares is, it is like putting money on the horse, and keeping it there race after race. The horse is winning, then he is coming second, then he falls right behind, then he picks up again- phew- rollercoaster ride.

    I chose, many years ago, not to ever buy shares (although there’s an articlew in todays news.com.au about the rise of “ethical shares”). But I have seen, over too many years, the results of economic rationalism, including things such as job cuts, on the price of shares. I don’t wanna make wealth from OPM (other people’s misery). I still have a notion of people before profit, as passe as that may be :)

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    That be this weekend :)

    Hey Mel- ya been to any good seminars lately?

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    Mark,

    There’s a fellow on here called “depreciator”. He runs a depreciation company, and he knows all there is to know- so *poke* depreciator- ahem- you’re needed!

    The first thing I think about with depreciation is depreciating the cost of the building… and that applies to 1985 properties- other than that, you can depreciate the usual items. Or, you can claim on earlier buildings if there’s been renovations. Dunno- it’s too complex for me :) SCOTTTTT!

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    Mark,

    I think you’ll find people assess these things differently. Steve’s CoCR is also about how much you put into the deal… so it has an implicit notion of deposit.

    I just work out returns on a gross % basis- based on price of property and rental return. Certainly net return can be less- perhaps 2 percentage points… but then this can be made up with depreciation. So it evens itself out again.

    Have you had a look at Jaffasoft’s calculator? You can find it on this Forum.

    CoCR can be higher than gross yield. Often, people suggest a 20% deposit… so when you are calculating CoCR, and a property might be 100k, for example, you are thinking about yield on the 80k that is not your money, rather than the 100k if you don’t take into account deposit.

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    Kim,

    Broad question because I am not sure if you are interested in a particular state or the whole country. The way I would do it is to go to google.com.au and type in “population increase Australia”. But if you have a state or a region, you’ll be able to find stuff quicker. Using google will mean you’ll be able to find every other report. If you were thinking south australia as a state, for example… you could go to google news and type in “population growth south australia” (or population increase) and if there’s been any news article, it will show up there. The REIV’s etc, will probably have press releases showing such things, but I use google as my research tool because it just brings up pretty much everything there is on the net anyway, and leads to further searches.

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    Yorker,

    Seems pretty expensive- as in mid-300k’s. Sorry, my hit prediction is that it’s already boomed. I reckon you’ll be paying premium. When you say the rental yield is quite high, like how high?

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    tedman,

    If you type “off the plan apartment contract” into google.com.au it will come up with many many articles. You probably need to read a zillion things if this is your first such purchase. The OTP landscape has changed dramatically from say 5 years ago, and as Mel has said, the “flippability” (sorry Mel, for bastardising the language!) of OTP’s is far less likely to result in profit these days. In fact, you may buy an OTP now, and by the time it is built, it may be worth many thousands less.

    Get your own independent valuer to assess the worth of the property before you sign a contract, and try to buy into a block that is small, and where your apartment has unique qualities.

    Many of the new OTP’s are considered “generic” or B-Grade by investors. You need to find a point of differentiation if you are doing the OTP thing.

    Architect designed apartments, such as a Renzo Piano, will maintain value, but a lot of these newer ones… really, I believe they’ll be a long-term buy and hold to get your money back.

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    heya greenhorn :)

    Just some ideas about Collie. Parts of it are floodzone, so you need to check that out. You would need to get about $110-$115 a week on a 54k place to make it around the 11 second solution thing.

    The Collie Mail newspaper will give you some idea of what’s happening in the town. You can find it here:

    http://collie.yourguide.com.au/display.asp?class=news&subclass=local

    Remember that if you’re earning 80 bucks a week, and your sewage/toilet breaks down, you’ll still pay 300 bucks or whatever it might cost, to get it fixed. In isolated places, such as Collie, you may even pay more, as tradies can charge what the market will pay. It’s why it’s good to have extra money in your pocket for repairs. A 300 job will be almost 4 weeks of your rent. Whereas if you have a higher rental yield, such a job will only cost you perhaps one week’s tenancy.

    There has also been significant real population decline in Collie. You can check this out on the net.

    Just do lots of checking on places before you make a decision :) It’s fun finding out about places, but sometimes, the more you know, the more reasons you know why, if you have many choices, you might not invest in particular places.

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    We ARE generally a polite group, but sometimes we all slip up here and there. It wasn’t directed at you, Monopoly, and it’s been said in the same way many times before on here when someone crosses the mark. I found you saying to a new member, “You want a friend, join a social group!!!!” to be impolite and unnecessary, personally and have made my own response to it.

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    Squash,

    It doesn’t matter how long someone has been investing for. Perspectives are an entitlement around here. You’ll see many viewpoints, and the “hard versus soft” landlord notion, has been raised a number of times, and each investor has different ways of seeing it. To me, it doesn’t matter how many times I have difficulties with real estate- I presume I’ll always have the same values around it. To some, that may be seen as not learning or something… to me, it just means not losing sight of the bigger picture or becoming bitter. “Doing unto others” has got to be a good thing, in my world. It’s an old mantra, and I ain’t no Christian, but the words still make sense.

    Welcome to the Forum by the way- we’re generally a polite bunch :)

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    richmond,

    Dunno if you’ve seen the article in the most recent API mag. It’s on the kind of project you’re doing- it’s an article on commercial RE, but lots about small businesses, and “retail” type tenants. Lots of case studies, and mention of how such leases need to be structured. Also info about the kinds of people purchasing these properties, and how they’re quite competitive to come by- often lots of city people bidding for them. People are often purchasing for CF and not CG.

    If ya haven’t read it and you want to check it our before your inspection on Monday morning, let me know and I’ll fax it to you.

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    Master, I feel the same way :) I haven’t read hundreds of investing books, but I think the Forum is great, just like you do.

    Keep posting so everyone can learn from you, too.

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    learay said:

    “We are a little concerned to not unneccessarily phone agent after agent in an area only to find that they don’t have what we’re looking for, they try to flog to us properties that we’re not interested in, or they in turn hound us with time wasting calls. On top of this we don’t want to waste our money on flights/trips to inspect props we won’t pursue.”

    learay… It takes a long time to do interstate property research. You say RE’s hound you with time-wasting calls… well, you must be extremely time-poor to think such a thing. I am always very grateful for the time RE agents spend talking to me about property in different areas.

    I find properties first on realestate.com.au and then I ring up agents if I am “quasi-interested”.. as in, I’m not just going to waste THEIR time unless I have a real interest in the property. If ask my list of about 10 initial questions, and the property is discounted, I might have a chat with them about properties in the area… but often not- I’ll just go back to my own research and check out other properties. The oly time I would have extensive chats with the RE is if I am interested in the area in general- and not just in one IP in the area.

    I would not inspect an interstate property unless I am 90% sure of purchasing it. Otherwise, you may as well reserve 10k to do an “all over Australia” holiday. For me, once I have done extensive hours researching a location, and then spent many hours doing my checking of a property (photos etc), then on a couple of occasions, I’ve felt no need for inspecting the property itself- but if this is your first interstate property, you may feel the need to check it out- both area and IP.

    Investing 100k, 200k, 300k or more into property- well, it’s so much money, that nothing one does in the pursuance of the “right” IP need be considered “time-wasting”. All the time you spend in researching areas and IP’s you *don’t* buy will serve you well for making finding properties in the futire much easier. Just as a side note on this… I still spend as much time – maybe even more (I keep learning new things about what to look for so it can take more time to be thorough)- each time I buy a property- the difference is, I feel much more confident about what I’m doing- and that’s one big key to property- confidence.

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    Awww, richmond- and mine weren’t even ideas- they were just questions. We’ll keep this little fella up the top so people can answer ya :)

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