I reckon no vendor in the world is gonna let you put “subject to due diligence.” Things like “subject to finance” or “subject to BPI” would be reasonable clauses for a “vanilla” contract. If you are buying in Tasmania or WA, you have no cooling off period, so you have to do your checks before you sign the contract. I do that anyway, even when there is a cooling-off period. My finances are organised as soon as I offer (I wouldn’t offer unless I had finance available), and I work on a verbal offer and acceptance. Then I just get my solicitor to look over the contract for me before I sign it. I don’t see the point of signing something that isn’t workable. By the time i have signed the contract, my solicitor hass done the valid checks, my bank has organised the finance distribution, and I am on my way. I then waive the cooling off period, so the vendor and I can both relax.
RE agents and vendors are pretty wary of people who sign multiple contracts, or who appear insincere. Think of yourself as a vendor, with people making offers, but not necessarily wanting the house… it would suck.
Hence, I don’t put conditions in a contract. Finances are organised, inspections are done, contract is checked, and then I sign, with no CO period.
Gross rental yield >5% Well, yeah, wouldn’t it be more like >10% for CF+ ?
Quintets, I think you can get high yields in mining towns, and in outback towns where professionals work – doctors, nurses, teachers, etc. Those people generally don’t buy up for short contracts- they fly in and fly out (often to the locals’ annoyance). The properties are cheap as, and the rents are not so cheap. I paid rent in the outback that was more expensive than in the city.
Leigh- wrong guru- Steve McKnight wrote “0-130 properties” hehe.
Leigh, I used to commute from the other side of the coast to sydney to work. I did that for about two years, until I realised I didn’t want to be spending an extra 3 hours a day on work-related activities (travel). I now rent in sydney and use my income to pay off investment properties. The tax deductibility makes sense to me… but then again, I have no pets The market in sydney, if you wish to buy, is way cooler now, so you can have plenty of time to get a feel for the market.
Annandale is really a nice suburb. Location location still works for me (worst house in the best street kind of thing). A reno (if you are the reno type) would see value maintenance.
Some like perth, some like sydney. It depends on what you’re looking for.
A lot of people are selling up now because they think they can cling to the last of the boom prices. That in itself isn’t a problem, I don’t think. It possibly depends on the ratio of homeowners to renters in the town. I quite enjoy places where there are a huge amount of renters. I see that as meaning my property will seldom be vacant.
What’s probably more revealing is the population of the place, and if there’s any new developments. If the housing stick remains the same with few properties being built, and you have some population increase, then you should be able to find tenants over the long term.
There is significant CG there and you wish to buy now? As you’d know, past performance does not indicate future growth. The vendors will be riding on this CG to sell up. It might be time to wait a while.
I find that hte more I know about RE, the more I feel comfortable with my purchases- because, generally, I’ve checked out about 100 places before I am ready to know that THIS one is exactly thre one I want. I find RE to be such a comparative thing, that if you know specific markets really well, you’ll know that your beats the others- in whatever measurement you use.
Nerves are normal with RE- it’s a huge purchase, and ambivalence is a part of it all, I reckon. I know for myself, that if I have missed out on a place, I have then justified it to myself as not in my best interests to have had it anyway :o) I think our mind lets us think it’s for the best so we don’t get too disappointed.
Most of these dimwitted journos aren’t even in the market. It really annoys me to be honest.
But Yorker, their job is to report ON the market- they don’t have to be investors. A surgeon doesn’t have to have cancer to be able to operate on a cancer patient.
I’ve noticed there are fewer articles on RE in the news (I’m a news-junkie and check google news every day for RE articles. The lack of media is obviously indicative of the slower market.
I doubt the media led the boom… but it did report and comment on it- that’s a good thing, I think. I enjoy reading analysis and articles. I find it keeps me up to date. You can find out many things about planned infrastructure etc if you read all the newspapers online- and they’re free.
bring on more articles, I say. But I doubt the market will be talked up much in upcoming articles- because it doesn’t reflect what’s happening. If I want to see the market being talked up, I’ll check out the REIA sites.
There’s still cheaper propertties to be found in Sydney. This one (you want dumpy- I’ll show ya dumpy!) was advertised in yesterday’s House liftout in the SMH. Annandale is a decent suburb (inner west), and the suggestion in the article is that this house would go for about 350k. Bidding starts from 300k in the ad below. It’s a renovator’s dream:
“blahtown household income”
“blahtown rental yield”
“blahtown median house price”
If these things have been explored, then they’re usually on the net. Anything the Council has done will be on their own website too.
viral, as to your idea of choosing places that have not had a lot of CG… I understand that- it’s one of the things I look at too. Many people are searching for “undervalued” places. When people say “Balmoral has had CG of 60% this past year… I know that it might be either (a) out of my price range.. or (b) the horse has bolted.
However, it depends on what place you are looking at. If a location has had no CG, you might ask why. Is it undesirable to investors? Is there a possibility of capital loss? As someone else has said on this forum today, if you are just seeking yield, and no possibility of growth, you might want to crunch the numbers – and check out what your property wealth will be in a few years time.
Suburbs next to booming suburbs are one way that people find undervalued places. Check out API magazine for lists of suburbs all over Australia, and the measurements for CG. Then find the suburb of your choice and check out the other comparative indicators. They’re usually all different.
Steve’s book was a success due to timing and method. He bought properties in a flatter market and then they got great CG. Had he bought in times of negative growth (I am thinking in many locations around 1994-1999)… then there were capital losses, and the book might not have been written. The victor writes history and there’s not much money to be made out of writing books which talk about losing money.
Steve bought in regional centres, but now, those properties are generally not achiving CF+ returns post-boom), so people are buying into the “tin-pot towns”. I still think there are properties to be bought that are well-located and well-priced, but to just think a “guideline” (the 11 second solution) is a “rule”… then I think some people will come a-cropper. Steve changes his strategies, and is now inesting in NZ, whereas some people are still simply following his *old* strategies to the letter, and will be in trouble.
Because RE is a buy and hold affair really (due to often prohibitive entry and exit costs), then it’s an idea to not get caught up into one “way” of doing things, but be flexible enough to read all the books and make one’s own way.
I think there are still gains to be made in the market, but I think it’s for more lifestyle properties, ones that keep up with market trends and demographics. If we’re buying (to buy and hold) in 2004, we’re really trying to preempt what australia will look like in 2011 (there are some good reports on the net which look towards demographic and industry changes for the next decade or so). A lot of CF+ properties are what Australia WAS, not what it will be.
I guess I’ll retire at age 65, maybe later. It is said 70 is the new 60, 60 is the new 50, etc etc. I won’t be serving at maccas :o) but I imagine I’ll still be utilising my skills in some way- perhaps consulting, or some form of writing. working is what I’ve always done- I can’t imagine dropping it completely.
With an ageing population and self-funded retirement, there will be many more older people participating- to an extent that’s never occurred before- in society. I figure as I get older, and continue my education, it will only increase skills.
When I finally retire… it’s golf, cafes, reading and travelling. But there is more to life for me now, and I want to enjoy it before I’m much older
Well, yeah… the property management stuff only made up a bit of the article. There’s 44 points.
Whether this issue- dodgy gurus- has been discussed before or not… there’s always new people coming onto the Forum, and people can have access to all kinds of info.
* variable interest rates
* I just bought, so I want to build up some equity before I buy again. I’ll definitely buy again before I’m 40.
* Negative gearing (although if the properties I bought had positive yields, I’d be stoked)
* Tax returns for future deposits
* I will buy in any market (flatter is better for city; a buoyant market will have me buying regionally)
* Buy and hold forever now… or maybe until the next boom
* Post 1987 properties for depreciation
* I won’t buy in locations that have been well-discussed on Forums. I’d rather buy in places that haven’t been spoken about.
* Pay as much as I can extra on the mortgages- use rent to go into mortgage and use pay to go into mortgage (I used to pay double per week but not these days).
Oops- I meant double the average wage- not minimum wage.
redwing, I couldn’t ever live on 30k. My work covers me for life insurance and I have income protection insurance. My “not-so-super” will be pretty super by the time I retire, and it will be an additional income to RE holdings.
i am suggesting double the average wage would be enough for me. What about you, redwing?
Would you mind just sending people the link privately, as you had suggested you would do? There’s a no advertising policy on here, for houses and stuff.
You could try somersoft.com They have a caveat emptor section where you can advertise your property.
daassie, as to selling privately, you might be interested in buying this book, which has just been written by Terry Ryder, called “Real Estate Without Agents.” It tells you how to sell without using agents.