Greg Seems a fair enough list of what you’re looking for- it’s kind of like a job description. Think of yourself as an employer. The other parts of a job description involve essential aspects you’re looking for (skills/qualifications), hours, wages, and sometimes performance indicators.
So, perhaps you could think about the following in the person you’re looking for.
Essentials:
What does the mentor need? To be retired? Independently wealthy from property and other investments? (I mean, it isn’t hard to be a millionaire if you’ve inherited it, or got it from a settlement). Self-made person? Made their money over how long a period? The other thing is, if a person is *really* retired, it’s possible they don’t need to work for you.
Do you want them to have financial advisory qualifications? Or is this not essential/important? Do you want them to have made money in a particular way that you might be able to emulate? ie positively geared property?
Hours:
How much time commitment would you want from them? 1 hour a week? 5 hours a week? 24-hour access/mentoring advice online? (probably only a salesperson for a large company would ever think of providing this)
Wages:
What would you be willing to pay? A percentage of what you made in that first year? An hourly rate? Would that depend on how much you can afford? Would it depend on the commercial rate applying to other mentoring services advertised?
Performance indicators:
Would you like to increase your net wealth on a percentage basis? What by? 10%? 20%? More? Can you develop a plan for the mentor of what oyu might want after intervals (ie quarterly objectives)? What will happen if you don’t meet the goals after following the advice the person gives you? Or, conversely, will the mentor receive a bonus if you perform beyond your expectations?
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I don’t know if you find any of the above useful. It might not be to you. But it might be food for thought about hte kind of person you’re looking for. If you have developed comprehensive aims for yourself, then you can develop a way of thinking what you need in THEM.
I take a different approach. I work out what I need for the IP. So say I need 20% as a deposit, or 30% for the next IP, I work out what that amount will be (by knowing what value property I want), and then look at my LVR and equity I have. So say I need 5k for the next property to keep my LVR at 80%… then I know I have to find 5k. If I get a decent tax return, I don’t need to save a buck throughout the year, so I spend everything- hehe
I never budget- but I do know exactly what amounts of money I need for the next property. It’s just a reverse way of working things out.
hehe depreciator… what I really meant was that Marrickville doesn’t present IP value to me- it is hugely expensive, as are most of the inner-west suburbs- anyhoo, it’s considered super-fashionable these days by Y-gens, so there- now I’m talking it up :+P
I love the inner-west too, Scott- I’ll never leave the ‘hood if I can help it- culture galore. I also wouldn’t live on the north shore- the culture there just doesn’t grab me.
It all depends on what you’re looking for. I cannot fathom why someone would pay 550k for a house on 350 metres of land in Kellyville when they can pay the same price for a house in Glebe.
I used to work with streetkids in Marrickville, Lakemba and Belmore. I have some colleagues who now live in Marrickville- and it’s been gentified somewhat with the boom (due to proximity to the city really and affordable house prices relative to the suburbs nearby like Newtown, Enmore and Stanmore), but I wouldn’t live there or buy an IP there if you paid me.
Once you’ve worked in a suburb in that kind of job, and have seen the underbelly, it can really change the way you view things. I know some people discuss Marrickville now like it’s some yuppy haven… but it will always be Marrickville to me.
No. If you have equity of 100k, and you use 20k of that as deposit… or you leave the 100k equity, and ADD 20k cash deposit- then you’re 20k ahead. It’s a moot point though- because we all use equity as deposits generally. Hence the “no money down” thing (myth). Because it IS our money- it was equity- now it’s transformed to debt.
I think what Simon was saying is that you can put in a 100k deposit, and then say “wow, I’m a chieving a 1000% CoCR… but really, a lot of people now just look at rental income as return on price. We can use a $1000 deposit on an IP, or a 40% deposit. Best to calculate return (positive gearing) on purchase price, so you get a more realistic estimate. A 50k house with rental of 100k achieves around 10% return. But if you have an 40k deposit… then you say it is positively geared at 200% return? hehe. hmmm.
I just wrote a post in ToughDeal’s post about units in sydney. I wrote that I have read that the sydney market is thought to rise 3% – 5% over the next year, but I can’t find the source article. So the pundits suggest there’ll be some growth, but obviously not as significant as the 14% average over the past few years.
2005 is thought to have some inflationary issues in Australia (where the RB’s inflation target of 2-3% will be overshot). It’s likely IR’s will rise to keep this in check. I know people have traditionally thought inflation means rising RE prices… but inflation has been significantly low in the past few years, and the RE market has risen beyond all expectations, so it’s been an inverse relationship.
I read an article (but now I can’t find it) which says that it’s thought that the sydney market will rise 3-5% over this and next year, so it will be in line with inflationary expectations- good enough for me At least it won’t be capital loss.
Nope- I knew nothing of RE when i began, and I had read only Jan Somers’ book, and had some ideas. I bought in a market which was entirely flat, and which got flatter as the years went on. The location was suffering negative equity, and I would have lost money had I sold for 4 years after I bought. The only reason I didn’t sell into that negative market was because I was too lazy- there was no skill there.
I don’t see myself as having any skill when i bought- I learned after I bought generally- and forums such as this one were not around. Certainly RE was on the nose for the general public- we were all losing money during the slump- I didn’t care though- because I knew one day I’d have it paid off- CG was not the issue for me then- I had no idea about it, but knew I’d always loved RE since I was a child.
I just htink it’s important to look forward- not into the past- when we’re thinking about investing now. There’ll always be new investors into RE- buying in to the 2004 market as their first purchase. That’s what I’m interested in now. The past is, as they say, history.
I’ll be looking forward to reading posts by RE investors throughout the coming years about how they are continuing to make money. I really think anyone who had bought RE in the last few years made money- and no particular skill was required. The market did the trick. I am not talking multimillionaires here- I am talking about your average joe- like me- who just bought a couple of places- and voila- CG just occurred- I had nothing to do with it.
Making money in a flatter market- on RE alone (I have no interest in shares or other markets), now they’re the stories I wanna see )
“Real Estate: Making Money in 2004-2007” … residentialwealth- if you start writing now, you can publish in 2008- and it will probably be the only RE book on the market in that time, so you’ll have the entire market share
Here’s a relevant article that’s just been written on CF+ and negative gearing. It might be useful to work out what’s more profitable- after all, isn’t that what it’s about?
It seems there is an emerging trend of property educators & promoters pushing investment strategies and properties that are surrounding the current property buzz phrase cash-flow positive.
Firstly let me explain the concept of cash-flow positive property.
Properties that are cash-flow positive, mean that the rental revenue plus depreciation and tax deductions give you positive cash flow.
Having money in the bank sounds far more attractive than paying money out of your pocket to service debt – but is that simple?
Some property promoters & alleged educators are passing off investment strategies and properties that are cash-flow positive. This may very well be the case but more often than not these properties tend to be located in outer-city or rural locations and experience very little capital growth.
What this means is that even though you may be getting a positive return, the property that you invested in will not increase in value anywhere near as much as if you’d invested in a property with high capital growth.
For example, if you invested in a $200,000 property & the capital growth rate on that property was 5% per annum, in 20 years time your property would be worth $530,000.
Now if you invested in a property which achieved a high capital growth rate, say 11%, in 20 years time for that same initial investment of $200,000, your property would be worth $1.6 million!
Investors can also get trapped in other issues that surround positive cash-flow property. For those who have borrowed to their maximum capacity and are relying on this cash-flow to service their debts, what will happen if interest rates rise and you are unable to increase your rental yields? What will happen in the event of tenancy vacancies?
There are ways to generate positive cash-flow from property but to achieve the greatest returns you need to look at investing in high growth properties and you must also utilise other strategies such as purchasing property below market value & adding value to achieve maximum rental yields.
I agree with you about CG being generally a timing matter. Past performance is no indicator of future performance, and all markets perform differently, so I have a bearish attitude towards future CG.
I asked about the CG prospects of commercial because noone’s really discussed it for a while around here, and I was interested to know what you thought about the prospects. I remember there was an “office boom” about 6 months ago as people looked for markets other than the vanilla residential market, but I wasn;t sure how it’s going now in practice.
I am also interested in hearing how people manage a falling market. anyone can say how much money they made in the last few years- who didn’t? But responses to a new climate… that’s what interests me. I’d like to see someone write a book “Buying Real Estate in 2004: Making Money in a Flat Market” or something.
I’m more interested in the future than in the past.
I actually meant that as a mortgage on a PPOR is often said to be a liability rather than an asset because it’s not income-producing / tax-deductible. It’s a great asset to have when ya have paid the bugger off, I imagine
Well, Mini- it’s not hard to give when one gets something for free – hehe. And I know that you and other members enjoy seminars and have got a lot out of them
I was told years ago that investing solely, is considered to be on the asset side, rather than on the liability side (just as a PPOR is considered a liability rather than an asset).
People lending money in one name is a huge amount of the mortgage basket these days, due to changing demographics, women marrying later etc.
If you earn a decent income, and are investing in your name, it is possible you’ll become the banks’ darling, rather than being seen as somehow deficit for buying in your own name.
A large amount of tenants are on a periodic lease- it just automatically becomes one when the formal peroid of lease ends. Unless the property is a high demand property, many tenants don’t sign up for a new one. It’s really demand-driven for tenants to sign a new lease. You can’t force a tenant to sign a new lease, although you can request it.
Yep, gilad- that’s the theory And if you have a rentable place, unless it’s completely wrecked, then you don’t need to reno. Renovating is a fairly specific skill, and some people are happy to buy unrenovated houses- to add their own special touches.
A lot of places are already renovated now, so you can buy an IP post-reno’ed (new kitchen, new bathroom, polished floorboards etc…) for probably a similar price to a pre-reno.
I think reno’s (particularly to flip for quick CG) are very 2002.
kay henry
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