If my real name is henry kay, then, on that logic, your real name must be Only Houses, right??
I do like the name kay henry though. It got into my head when I found this forum ages ago but hadn’t yet joined, and when I did want to join, I kept it )
If anyone is interested in buying a little piece of your own oasis in melbourne, lemme know! hehe
hehe HousesOnly- why don’t you tell us what you *really* think? []
I agree that prices will decrease for *some* places. But if you go with some of the old rules- location, price, affordability etc, you should be ok.
I also agree with you re greed and fear. But I have to say, RE is a good way to make money (I won’t touch shares for ethical reasons). My process is- pay a fair price, charge reasonable rents- noone gets ripped off- neither vendors, nor tenants; and of course- do your homework on every purchase.
I didn’t mean “doomsayer” in a bad way. All I am suggesting is that, if one invests in RE sensibly, one doesn’t have to lose the shirt off one’s back, no matter what the market conditions.
HousesOnly- from your name, I presume you have some RE investment? Your message is a little ambiguous- kind of like having the nickname “SharesOnly” and then telling people whatever they do, not to buy shares!
Yes, the innerbelt of melby has had it. Many people bought off the plan apartments using equity in their own home- most of whom were probably first time investors, had inhouse valuations done (probably way overvalued), and thedy’ll find it difficult to get tenants for those generic apartments.
Most financial advisers, however, will recognise that there will be others who will continue their long-term RE investment plan, won;t buy based on hysteria or greed, and will continue to make wise choices in their investment decisions.
Don’t worry about the doomsayers. It’s likely the 20% dip in values was always there from the beginning. It’s very similar to the qld two-teired marketing of the 80’s and 90’s, except the targets of these overvalued apartments are first-time investors as opposed to interstate people. The 350-400k 1 bed-apartments in Docklands and Southbank may become the new slums of melbourne.
I know what you mean. I’m buying into a place that has very few units, and all have sold for less than the next as the area is emerging in value. Valuers doing valuations on past sales means that whist prices are rising, we still get valued at the average of past sales.
Now that the neighbour’s apartment has sold for 300k, you only need to wait until a few more are sold, I suppose, to get a similar bank valuation.
I paid 35% (when I bought the property 9 years ago) of the final sales price for that property. It is in a skyrocketing coastal area. My bank has said they always make valuations on a “need to sell” basis. Maybe it’s time for me to change banks??
I hear you about wondering why would one bother to work harder if we pay taxes.
I kind of see it as, I’m happy to pay taxes if they spend it on the stuff that’s important to me- public schools, hospitals, education. But when they spend money on war machines and weapons of mass destruction, I resent paying my taxes too.
Cornell said:
But then again if the place above mine sells for 159k does that mean my place will be worth roughly the same amount and then it will be far from positively geared??Cornell said:
Cornell,
Your place will receive the return on the price you paid for it, not on the actual value of it. so it’s $170/wk on 112k, not $170/wk on 159K. The extra 47k is equity- as in, it’s yours! You’ll be able to borrow on that equity.
If you sell under 12 months, you’ll be subject to 100% (of your profit) capital gains tax- so it will be 47k taxed at your current taxation rate. If you wait for 12 months, you’ll only pay CGT on 23.5k.
If your return yield will be so high, why not hold onto the place instead of eating away at your profit by taxes and agent selling costs?
Thanks for your reply. In fact, I just had a valuation done on a place I was selling. I had the valuation done as I was buying a new place and wanted to release equity. The valuation was 45k below what the place sold for- and this was at the bottom end of that location market. The bank told me they value on what they would sell it for if they wanted to sell it immediately in any market conditions.
I am sure others have had poor market valuations done too.
oh wow- i just realised i got two yellow stars for that 50th post! It’s a bit like kindergarten, isn’t it, with those stars, but I have to tell you, i’m excited! :o)
Steve McKnight- can I have some lollies for my birthday too? (It’s 7th August)[]
Do these companies charge mortgage lender’s insurance though? If you don’t have a 20% deposit (via equity or cash), then most places will charge MLI. You’ll be paying thousands extra on your loan. Why not just save a reasonable deposit?
Don’t worry about capital growth for the regional centre. If it had a 20% capital growth, that is good for sellers, not necessarily buyers. Sydney has had ubergrowth, but is that good for us as buyers? If you buy post capital-growth, then you are paying the price.
Remember the old adage: “buy in gloom, sell in boom”.
And remember that capital growth is not necessarily reflective of population growth, employment and all the other things one looks for in buying a property.
Many RE investment advisers suggest it is better to raise rents only when you have made an improvement to a property or to reach market rents. If your properties are receiving market rental yield, what’s the reason for raising rents?
The other thing is, if you raise rents, your tenants might scoot to live somewhere not contingent upon RB decisions, and instead of that extra 5 bucks a week, you’ve now got a vacancy.
Should tenants bear the brunt of rising interest rates? To my mind, no.
By a “happening” area- sorry- i just fell into slang and probably forgot what forum i was on- I mean an area that will maintain value. Capital growth would be nice, of course, but I would merely prefer for value to be maintained in an environment of possible reductions of 20% in value of property in the foreseeable future.
To answer the question about the specific part of SE Qld, the property is in Karana Downs. Does anyone have any knowledge of this area and info on RE prices? (I’ve already done a lot of net checking, so any inside info would help. Trend info would be good too- is this going to beva happening area?
The other thing I’d say about this interest rate is that it’s like a little “taste test” by the RB that things have to change re spending. A .25% increase won’t affect people much in terms of repayments. But this .25 warning is indicative that the RB intends to kill off the housing boom for those who can’t afford to play in it.
Don’t worry- a .25% rise will just slow things down a little. Perhaps people will think twice before they buy that new off-the-plan apartment in an oversupplied area. For those who have been careful and not too highly geared, it will just become a bit more of a tax deduction []
kay henry
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