I was just thinking that no new properties are really positively geared. Try buying a $300k 1 bedroom new apartment and getting $600 a week rent- not likely, even though the numbers always look good on the glossy brochures.
The only properties that can be pozz geared are the cheapies or some blocks of older style units, or some commercial properties. but new apartments? Never
Of course, I’m always up for different perspectives on this
Sounds like fairly commonsense info they provided, and it’s not info that focusses on OPM (Other People’s Misery).
As to some of their information, I have a new rule for investments. buy post-1985. (14th July 1985 construction) because these allowances apply from then. So you can still buy a property that’s 18 years old and still qualify for the allowances! A quantity surveyor must supply to documentation for the Allowances or the ATO isn’t interested.
As to buying around the median range price- well, that’s all good unless you can’t afford it! Some of us would prefer 3 cheaper properties, or can only afford one cheap property. I guess what you buy is based upon what money you have
Seems these folks are providing info that makes people seem to think the properties the company are sourcing might be the better ones to purchase? As with most seminars- even free ones- there’s an agenda somewhere. )
“Wonders if any one knows just how much it cost to keep this forum running? I know and it shocked me when I found out.”
Bear, I’m not sure what costs to run this forum… but the snitz site says the following:
“How much does Snitz Forums 2000 cost?
Nothing. It’s Freeware. You can download a copy from this website at no charge. All that is required is to retain the “Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000″ statement at the bottom of each page (this can be either text or a graphic). Also, make sure you leave the copyright notices intact in the source code and retain the GPL.txt file.” http://forum.snitz.com/faq.asp
As such, why is so expensive to run a forum like this??
You’re right- it is a 25% discount for upfront payments and extra lump payments of $500. All Universities are regulated by Fed Govt legislation governing HECS, PELs etc.
I haven’t seen posts about moderators not needing skills- I do believe any person charged with such responsibilities (of ensuring a forum remains a place for all of those interested in the topics), can do it well or sometimes poorly.
From what I have seen of your posts, you have a mature approach to it. I’m not sure all moderators become demi-gods, but then, I’ve never been one to believe in gods or gurus I think moderators who maintain a sense of calm (when all others are losing their heads) make everyone feel safe. I imagine moderators enjoy undertaking the role, and that they see it as supporting something they believe in, or they wouldn’t do it. As with all of us, it’s a matter of expectations, and as with all of us, noone’s perfect :o)
It’s usually only the reasonably wealthy who can pay HECS upfront anyway. You can pay it off upfront before you study, or you can also get benefits if you pay off lump sums throughout the lifetime of the loan.
I was lucky in that I did my undergraduate degree when it was free education- no HECS! It wasn’t that long ago :o(
It’s not quite true that you can “avoid” paying HECS. You can *defer* payment, but you will still have to pay it at some stage in your life- when your income goes to a repayable amount of income. The new higher Education Bill just went through parliament. The following will now occur:
A HECS repayment threshold of $35000 in 2004-5 and $36184 in 2005-6. This ups the original repayment threshhold from the amounts mentioned of $25348.
If people don;t repay HECS now, you will have to repay it at some point, and inflation is added to it. This meant that, a couple of years ago, when CPI was 6% (following the introduction of the GST), your HECS bill added 6% to your bill. You can’t avoid paying HECS unless you die, or live overseas- forever.
A better solution, if possible, is to pay HECS upfront- you get a 15% discount on the amount if you pay it upfront.
Nothing wrong with attending a free seminar! You’ll probably get the same info as if you bought a 200 page RE book. I checked out their website and it seems pretty old-fashioned (I like that) in terms of the material it presents on there- reminds me of Ann Somers stuff.
The problematic seminars are the ones that charge, I think. I think they target a lot of lost lambs. Then the lost lambs go feral when the guru goes broke, whereas before the guru went broke, he was- for them- the god attending to the sheep.
Check out the URL below- it’s about RE investing seminars:
Please don’t think you annoy anyone with irrelevant questions. You may ask what you like, and hopefully, people will respectfully reply to you :o)
HECS and PELS (for postgraduate courses) have been opened up to some private institutions. Most private institutions are now linked to a university anyway. Presumably, if your daughter did something akin to a degree, then it would be linked to a university. If it isn’t accredited as a degree, then I fear she may have wasted her money. Why I say this is because courses done at public institutions- ie TAFE or Uni, are often considered to be of more value and are accredited by bodies like ANTA. You might want to check this out before she spends her money on a course that won’t get her into the industry of her choosing.
If the course is linked to a uni, then she should be eligible for HECS.
Thanks Celivia for your vote of confidence ) And Rubbachook, you can keep your fantasies- I am in fact a woman [:X] Straight male with a fantasy about lesbians? Now that’s new []
I can’t give prizes for achievers, because I’m an anarchist ) and I believe in equality etc, but thanks to all those who can engage in discussion without losing control. That’s what makes this forum worthwhile to me. You know who you are.
“Sounds like your studying welfare or something like that? At home every day I watch the wallabies, echnidas, the odd koala, leave out the wild birdseed, that’s rural living – how lucky can you get.”
No Ma’am, not studying welfare. It’s just that, over 37 years of life, I’ve developed some perspectives, and it’s fun to think about stuff )
In fact, I work at a University and give about 3 conference papers on research I’ve undertaken throughout the year, so I get to go to some lovely locations.
Where you live sounds fantastic, anna! Lucky you! And the people up here in qld are so *naturally* friendly and unpretentious, I swear I’m thinking of moving here!!
kay henry
*pats poor Celivia and promises not to make her think )
wow, I dunno what’s been happening here, but it’s sad that posts have been deleted. If you want a “discussion” group, don’t you want people to discuss? Unfearfully? Why do people follow them around and delete their posts? I don’t understand that at all. Reading the above thread is pretty weird- complete censorship.
I’ve been away for a few days, in sunny queensland, and at the Conference I am attending, there are kangaroos all over the place- god, it’s beautiful here (university of southern queensland, at maroochydore, if anyone is interested in getting out of the city and watching roos lay around).
Some might think a BPI is like a pink slip for a car and should come with every house that is for sale- and paid for by the vendor.
I guess you could check out how many BPInspectors there are in the town/city you are buying in. If there’s only one, he or she will probably give you similar results to the first inspection report!
Of course, since the BPI was done, the vendors could have played “punch the wall” games, and so it may not be current
People on here might advise you to get another report done. I tend to think you can check it out for yourself, and see what you think. I don;t know if the vendors would be in some conspiracy with a dodgy pest inspecor- it seems unlikely- perhaps the vendors just wanted to provide the buyer with a pink slip as a sign of good faith.
You can buy in the next couple of years, but why pay 300-400k for an apartment? Or why pay 45k for a dump? And why buy “firesale” places and profit from OPM? (other people’s misery).
Property investors can always find places at reasonable prices. I for one, will not be waiting until the “carnage” or “bloodletting” or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, i know… buying from someone who’s foreclosed is just “helping them out” right? Well, it is if you pay fair price for it. Bill put up his “selling for top dollar” and everyone wanted a piece of it. Well, we can sell at a fair price and *buy* at a fair price. Bill, btw, I enjoyed that post, but I am just trying to say- what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. It was no personal criticism about your post :o))
And i know the “it’s just business and if it’s legal, I’ll do it” stuff. For me, the business of buying houses is much more than that. If prices increase naturally, well, lucky me… if they then decrease, well, time to keep the property!
Firesale mentality is mean. If we question the ethics of some methods of RE, then why not question others?
Waddya think Bill (and others)? I’m interested in people’s perspectives- how far do out ethics go?
kay henry
PS hope what I’ve said here is clear- if not, i’m happy to clarify
I don’t think you could wrap it, personally. If people won’t pay you $330k for it, I doubt a wrappee could afford it. Remember, wrappees are traditionally those who cannot get finance. Anyone who could afford that kind of dough, is probably not going to get into a wrap situation.
I suggest you don’t panic. There will be many like you soon, no doubt, who realise the returns aren’t what they were promised. Richmond isn’t a bad suburb, really- you could have done worse. But it would be impossible for anyone to get $600 a week rent to come close to breaking even on the purchasing price in terms of cashflow. No doubt anyone who could afford those kinds of rents would have bought it themselves.
You might have to wait it out (if it doesn’t sell at the next auction) and get back a fat tax return so you can pay an extra chunk on your mortgage. The losses won’t seem so bad once the mortgage is less! In fact, in about ten years time, your income to debt might become positive!
I wish one of us could give you a magical solution. I think the more we pay for a place, the more we have to lose :o( Maybe buy and hold might be your best strategy. If you sell now, you come out with nothing. If you make a profit, given that you’ve sold within one year (and a day) you’ll have to pay full CGT. I hope someone can provide you with that magical advice. But it ain’t me, PropertyGuy.