In terms of course, are those fully tax-deductible? For example, if I was an existing property investor and I paid $15k for one of those property seminars, would I be able to claim?
Do you think the market will truly flatten once the boom ends? Or do you think the boom will never end?
If, as HousesOnly discusses, there will be a major price correction (downwards), will people be able to continue with their strategy of accumulating more property? With a price correction, equity will disappear, and so will buying power!
naaa Fibejebe, I’m not privy to anything else about the topic. I just looked up “kevin young real estate in google.com (australian sites only). I often look stuff up
The RE agent can help you do many things. The credit provider can do other things, and your solicitor can do other stuff.
As a fairly non-savvy money-type, I usually let the solicitors (yours, the vendor’s and the credit providers) work it out between them. That’s their job
richmond- yes, I agree with your comments ) But I guess we all see people saying “I want to buy in blah- it’s had blah% CG and therefore I think it’s a good prospect.”
Buy in gloom, sell in boom, I say. Buying in gloom does not mean using other people’s misery, of course. It just means, to me, that I am happy buying in a place without much CG if it meets my affordability level and doesn’t cause me too much risk.
And I think most of us would agree it’s harder to get a cheaper place these days without it being a dump (a restump dump?) We can still find CF+ places possibly, but they are often of a much poorer standard than for the same price in the pre-boom days.
Then again, rural scares me. You lose that one rental family, you may not get another one for a long time.
Queenstown tassie is the equivalent in 2003 in terms of price as to what ballarat and other regional areas were in 1998. Areas such as queenstown are affordable for those who are interested in investment but might not have much money.
If we were an art investment board, some people might be able to afford a brett whitely, whilst others might be able to afford a pro hart.
Some drive a mercedes and others drive a datsun 120Y. There’s room for all of us.
Boc said: “be carefull if you buy one on e-bay. i saw one going cheap, but it didnt come with a video or the audio tapes that accompany it.”
You mean I have to watch videos and audio tapes to play a game?? [xx(]
Whatever happened to just sitting around off your face and getting entirely engrossed in the game? Now I have to wear a suit and watch a video? Sheesh- don’t they make a less adult version- but for adults who aren’t up to it?
I think win/win is not about right and wrong… it’s about finding commonalities between people- it’s not saying both are right… bullying- also known as a few people ganging up on another- is tedious for others to watch, by the way.
An article from the bulletin mentioning kevin young states the following:
Lack of regulation has forced ASIC into a situation where it has to nibble at the limbs rather than go for the jugular. In March, it had a minor success in the Queensland Supreme Court against The Investors’ Club and its directors, Kevin and Kathleen Young, forcing them to drop a couple of their schemes, Joint Venture Projects and the No Tenant? No Problem? Program, which were unregistered managed investment schemes. The Queensland-based property club offers members throughout Australia and New Zealand property investment opportunities and services, including the two now outlawed. “This does not affect our únormal club business,” Kevin Young wrote in the club’s April newsletter.
I found this forum because I have an interest in property. I don’t advocate any particular views about property because I’ve read one book which “changed my life…” (I think that’s kind of sad personally)
I do still love property though, and was fortunate enough to buy one property a number of years ago which has achieved a significant capital gain. When I first bought property, there were no internet sites around that I knew of. But this site seems ok to me, as I learn many things. I do find it tiresome however, when people just use the same old refrains and seem to be in some kind of cult-like frame of mind- that’s boring anywhere.
My perspectives come from reading as much as I can, and working out what makes sense to me. Not all of us are blind guru-followers. Please shoot me when that happens (to those who wanna shoot me already, gahead- give it a virtual shot!) []
You’ll have more success if you develop an independent approach to purchasing property. Sit here and read every page of this website for a few hours, and you can see that many posters have identified places which are CF+.
Either that or ask someone to do some spotting for properties for you. You’ll pay a fee to them, but you and your friend won’t have to lift a finger.
I don’t want CG where I buy. I wanna pay at last year’s prices- not this year’s. CG is great for when you *own* a place.
richmond said:
“the median for the quarter June-Sept went up 24.1% in one area of Rocky (Allenstown $72,500 to $90,000), 33.4% in another area(Rockhampton City $59,200 to $79,000), 9.8% in another area (Park Avenue $97,000 to $106,500). This is in a quarter… three months…”
I’d prefer to pay the first price- the cheaper price- than pay the 3-months-later price. Gimme cheap property any day.
I always find it interesting when people say they want to buy in a place with large percentage (past) capital growth. If a place has 30% growth in 2003, then why buy it at those higher prices in 2004, when there’s no guarantee of *future* capital growth?
I think, when purchasing, we can look at places where there’s been no CG to speak of, but that meets our personal formula of what we’re looking for in terms of population, location, industry, price etc.
Do as you can afford. Harbour views are lovely if yer rich
As for me, I am gonna use depreciation allowances, charge median rents and slowly, I might be able to have some choices about the future, and maybe one day own my own home!!
I don;t do things by textbook, and there isn’t a “one size fits all” strategy. we’re all different, and we all have a different psychology and income, and all those things that make for differing choices.
A couple of cheapies – like 50k- might make some people feel that they have an “exit strategy” if some difficulty arises with work (like redundancy). what’s the exit strategy if you’ve just bought an OTP an are in debt for hundreds of thousands?
As with everything, we make business decisions based upon what we can handle. I like the points made by some people- either here or elsewhere on this forum- about people sleeping peacefully at night. RE can be risky business. noone wants to lose the shirts off our backs.
Exit strategies- thought of *before* you buy- can be just as important as “due diligence” in purchasing a property.
I see many property investors say they buy and hold unless a property does not “fit in with their profit expectations” etc. I think if we have a property that is not “performing” to the level that we want/need/plan for, then we kill it off so that we can use that money to chuck in to something else.
Remember how much we first knew when we bought that first IP? As for me, I’ve learned much since those days. As we learn, we might choose to change strategies. A non-performer can make us go backwards, and not forwards. A rural property in poor nick that needs restumping might be better off sold to someone else- a reno-type, so that we can buy another place with less problems than the first.
Presumably you’ve read this one, but I’ll paste it anyway. It annoys me too when I see different figures- guess the RE agents use the higher figures to sell. but Domain.com.au, API mag and the REI’s of Australia often have differing figures- grrr.
The housing market was already beginning to soften before the two recent interest rate rises, according to September quarter 2003 figures released by the Real Estate Institute of Australia.
The REIA says the September quarter figures confirm that while there was continuing price growth, the rate of growth in median house prices was slower compared with the June quarter 2003 rate of growth in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Canberra.
A similar comparison of annual price growth rates showed that median house price growth had eased in Sydney, Adelaide and Canberra,” President of the Real Estate Institute of Australia, Kareena Ballard says.
Quarterly growth in median house prices in the September quarter 2003 ranged from 1.1% in Sydney to 9.2% in Hobart, whilst annual growth ranged from 3.4% in Darwin to 30.7% in Canberra.
Indications of weakening residential prices were even more pronounced in the flats/units/townhouses sector of the market. A comparison of percentage price changes between June quarter and September quarter 2003, and between September quarter 2002 and September quarter 2003, showed a softening for Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide, Canberra and Darwin.
Quarterly growth in median flats/units/townhouses prices ranged from -11.9% in Darwin to 39.6% in Hobart, while annual growth ranged between -1.4% in Darwin to 85.4% in Hobart.
“Since the close of the September quarter 2003, there is anecdotal information from many Real Estate Institute members in most States noting that attendance at open houses and auctions has declined markedly since the two interest rate rises.
“We urge the Reserve Bank to exercise caution and wait until December quarter 2003 figures are available before considering further interest rate rises. It is important that the response on interest rates is appropriate to what is actually happening in the marketplace,” she says.
I know what you mean- and I was in Goulburn on Sunday too- nuttin’ there to speak of in the RE windows, as you said :o(
I’m thinking the strategy is to buy from ads in the newspapers- the “private sale- no agents” one. Sometimes I think it’s probably better to negotiate with owners directly. I always find it interesting – the “no agents” thing- I wonder what the agents did to them!
I see what you’re saying. CG is more important than positive gearing or cashflow, right? Some people think so, but others disagree. I think your prediction for melbourne unit growth is not what is written in the media (yes, i read the media- it’s an education, as much as a textbook is). I wouldn’t be going into a melby apartment unless it was *really* cheap.
Basically, you can either buy a really cheap house/unit (and hope the mine doesn’t close down!) and get some rental income… or you buy a place in the city – for more money- but it has to have some distinguishing features- views or something else to keep the value maintained.
The higher the price or CG the less the income- that’s basic economics. A million dollar house is not gonna get a $2 million rental return.
I notice a lot of those “under offer/under contract” ones when I look at houses in broken hill, nsw. Makes me wonder how long they’ve been sold for. Some RE’s only seem to have “sold” houses and no “for sale” ones!
kay henry
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