I don’t see paying a 20% deposit as part of a pozz cashflow calculation. we could all pay 50% deposit, but does that mean the return is positive? I don’t think so.
Cashflow is based upon full price of the purchase- plus expenses. You get a bigger income than that and you’re doing well )
Many other people on here will have lots to say about Rocky, no doubt. As for me, I just wanted to congratulate you- buying one’s first house is a fantastic thing to do.
Once you get over the nerves of it all (I find the property game pretty nervewracking too), you’ll be able to enjoy it a heap.
If you’re only 17, it seems it will take a while for you to be able to get a loan. Unfortunately, you pretty much have to work in paid employment to get a loan :o))
Please don’t think me patronising in saying this, but make sure you enjoy your life too- as well as investing. Once you start fulltime work, you then have to do it for almost 40 years. So take your time and enjoy your youth too. Because that mortgage is gonna hold you in its grasp for decades.
But then, they say the person who loves his job never works a day in his life!
Wil I get killed on here if I suggest you buy a really nice car instead of an IP? hehe
did you see this month’s Australian Property Investing magazine? There was an article on University accommodation- the demographics- and what to buy and what not to buy.
I stayed at some lovely Uni accommodation at University of Southern Queensland, sunshine coast recently for a Conference.
It was one of the types that API was mentioning- 4 separate bedrooms- all with ensuites- shared lounge and kitchen etc- more like a house than like old uni accommodation that I lived in as a youth [xx(]
I would buy one of them like a shot- it has a gated community- which i have a bit of a psychological barrier to- but it also had a pool, tennis court etc.
Each tenant was paying $120 a week- basically 1st year uni students living there until they got their own shared housing. that’s 480 a week- but probably hefty management bills.
Banks go all weird when you mention student accommodation though- mine went quite weird on me.
Flips would seem to be to be an extremely risky strategy in any time other than a boom. how can one be sure of making a quick profit these days? One might be lucky to break even.
The deposit bond strategy was over at least two years ago.
Is there some other way to flip? Are you speaking of land or something?
I would think with a 15K (or 50K seminar) you would NOT be able to claim it as a legitimate expense.
My study is claimable because it is an accredited course. It is 100% deductible. But I doubt I would be able to claim 50K from my wages for a course that is not accredited.
yeah, but queenstown is *cheap* and I think that’s the point. look at what cladding did for fibro homes- it was a cheap alternative to the more expensive weatherboard. and it made properties look better- for buggar all investment.
I could say “look what tourism’s done for sydney”.
Bearsy, if i had a couple of places in queenstown, I’d be happy. big mortgages scare me- because i’m a chicken. Give me small mortgages anyday.
With the couple of units i have, I love knowing they’re mine- all mine (well, the bank’s really). Any property purchase can be a good choice- as long as we don’t expect the world.
sometimes isolation can mean tenants stay. they choose their small community. In places like orange, dubbo, wagga etc- often people move to sydney to work- so the community can be very mobile (although it does have a large enough popn to sustain rental activity).
Would you mind directing me to any site or RE that has advertised pozz gear sydney units? Most of the units for sale are on domain.com.au, but I have never seen one that could possibly be pozz geared.
I don’t believe there’s any poss geared IP’s in sydney. Show me the rental unit of 170K that is rented out for $340 and I’ll take it back and apologise For 170K it *might* be possible to get a really old and bad studio somewhere. but $340 a week for it? nu-uh
This is why I posted elsewhere that I don’t want to buy in places that have demonstrated huge CG
*now * or in the past- I wanna get pre-boom rates and get value for money. I know my price range and what I can afford. I have to stick to that- it’s not much of a choice )
Getting 20% discount on an OTP oversupplied apartment doesn’t seem good value to me. I can’t afford the initial price anyhow. Hence, my budgetary constraints mean that I am forced to do much more research (which i love) and put much more thought into the practice of buying.
People are discussing their strategies as if they’re millionaires and we all are. But some of us are just working class people who are excited by property.
“Kay
I dont think you understand the concept of investing in property for growth.”
Thanks for trying to “educate” me, yack, but I do understand a few things []
In fact, I cringed when I saw your comments about Queenstown. I know people who have purchased in Queenstown, and whilst I have no done so myself, I thought I would come up with some thoughts about how much money one needs to invest in property these days- more than one used to need.
I learn every day- by reading, and by thinking, and I try to keep my eyes open to many ideas- and to invest ethically. CG concepts ain’t new to me- I just understand why people choose cheaper properties over more expensive ones. My perspectives don’t necessarily my practices- it’s just about seeing the world from the other’s viewpoints.
It ain’t like investing in cheap properties is criminal- sheesh! I reckon we should be encouraging people- particularly when they’re just trying to enter the market.
Matt seems pretty sincere. Doesn’t seem he has anything to prove. Now, as to others, i don’t believe a word of it! As the lies get bigger, so do the explanations- funny how some people think their audience is full of fools.
If I wait another year to get an IP, that’s another year out of my old life! [] I only have a certain amount of working life left. Whilst I continue to work, I can continue to invest. “No work, no buying of toys” (IP’s) is my strategy.
Hence, I wouldn’t put off buying for a specific amount of time- there will always be bargains; there will always be opportunities- no matter what the market.
If you buy 5-6 IP’s with 50k, you will then be in +300K (more like 400K) debt (with costs) for 30 years. Sure, you may have a possible $5 extra a week in your pocket, but can you service that kind of debt if hte mine closes down in this high falutin town you’re buying in?
Every IP you buy is a 30-year commitment. I say choose carefully.
These cheapies might require landlord protection insurance and a lot of upkeep. And can you sell one if your job situation changes?
Remember, if you only pay 10% deposit, you might have to pay lender’s mortgage insurance. It all adds up.
Will you have an empire at the end of it? or 30 years trapped and worried? It’s all up to your psychology and situation.
You could buy 1 investment property and make sure it’s a decent resellable one [] and then plan to pay as much off as you can, get depreciation allowances if it’s a post 1985 building, and then aim for another IP each year after that.
Steve a quick thank you for a great book, i purchased your review tape (a great listen in the car on the way to work for anyone interested) and due dilligence kit.”
I see what you’re saying, richmond. I was comparing price- nothing more. What does 50k buy these days?
I bought a place 8 years ago for a very decent price. That property has now increased by 130%. To get anything in the price range of what I paid for it, I now have to buy regional.
The property dollar buys less than in used to- that was my point. Hence, people are buying in queenstown- because it’s more *affordable* than elsewhere.
Noone i know gives a stuff about the queen either- although i know a heap of queens who are quite nice- but that’s another story
People in Australia like public holidays. We also might decide to enjoy the christmas holiday, even though we are not interested in the origins of the holiday.
Welcome to Australia- I dunno about it being the “land of opportunity” for all. You might ask some Indigenous people about that, and some asylum seekers at Nauru- they might have a different perspective.
kay henry
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