wow thats amazing!!!!! as SHales said – investing in your children and wife will be the most satisfying investment you could ever make not to say its always rosey … but its what life is about!
im a stay at home mum to 2, with another 1 on the way. i did work for my first year as a mother and i must say – being in the centre of the home is an amazing privieledge
i wont recommend any books to you (although ive read a few shockers, a few that made me roll my eyes with every page turn, and a few goodies) and you will for the next 2 years be given parenting advice whether you want it or not … but i will say to just trust your paternal instincts. with all the advice from every angle you will be given, your instincts will prove your greatest ally.
i like ur plan with the duplex. but also keep in mind that with your wife stopping work to become a mum you may be eligible for family tax benefits A and B. plus also the baby bonus money for a temporary boost. so they will also help with your budgeting. depending on how your IP is structured. i was getting FTB A and also B (was over a couple of hundred a fortnight) with our first IP in joint names …. but now that we have another we get nothing
yeah the house's yard got mildly flooded during last yr's feb flood but it wasnt too bad. my dad ran the disaster relief centres so it was great having him on call for when we were looking to buy. the house as it currently sits didnt get affected tho cos its quite high off the ground already. with building in underneith we werent too worried because it does happen so little. I grew up in Mackay (lived there 25 years) and that flood last year is the only one I can remember of significance.
but we arent going to be doing all the building in underneith now anyways. just dont know whether to hold or sell.
yep we know. but we arent in the position to live in mky just yet. rather buy earlier than expected and take advantage of capital gains … but we just are picky and take our time buying
if we buy again some time over the next 18 months the house we would get would cost about $400k (we've seen a few ideal houses of this price lately). if we buy this same house in 5 yrs time instead, it would probably cost us over $500k. so the amount to gain is more than the amount to lose through CGT.
basically we are unsure if we want to keep this house long enough now that our future plans are unexpectedly changing.
current situation: one income and living in a company house in a mining town. the original plan was for us to move back to mackay in 1 year and live in the house we bought in June. because i would have been returning to the workforce we were planning to undergo renovations then, when we had more cashflow. we bought it knowing it needed a restump but because it was going to be our "home" we were wanting to restump, raise the height, and build in underneith. we got the house way under market value and its on a large slab of land in a great location. it was going to be our PPOR for maybe 5 or 6 yrs after we move.
then we discovered we are expecting again.
now the plan is to live in said mining town for another 5 yrs (hubby's work permitting) and me not return to work for that time. its a personal choice of my husband and mine, but we prefer the kids to be at home til school age. so these are the problems now:
1. now we are back to one income for 5 years. we can still afford to do the restump while its an investment prop – but itd be putting alot of pressure on finances with me not returning for awhile. it really needs to be done soon – the stumps are pretty bad. we can afford the extra repayments for now, but if the rates get up above 8% it would affect our $ bigtime. we were anticipating me working when we had planned out the renovations.
2. the house no longer suits us as a PPOR because we have another child on the way. we wouldnt fit. so its lost some of its appeal to us. it will never be a PPOR, just an IP.
3. we have another IP (a unit) which we still owe $165k on, and its value is about $280k. its very low maintenance and doesnt need any major renos to be done. we could put the profit into an offset account linked to this mortgage and work on building up our savings in there, in anticipation for the next purchase … a PPOR that we will actually fit into! so we would work on those savings over the next yr or so, then start to look for a bigger house to buy.
4. when we relocate in 5 yrs time for me to start working again the houses will have gone up in price obviously. we are thinking maybe its best we find a home we would fit into some time over the next 18 months and use it as an IP until ready to move, rather than waiting til later. but we cant afford to purchase another prop while we already have 2 others. i doubt the banks would touch us anyways if we tried to buy a 3rd IP on one income.
i hope ive worded above right and it makes sence. but thanks for the heads up about CGT going off contract date not settlement, this gives us 6 months to think about it and consider our options.
I live in Moranbah but invest in Mackay. I come into Mackay once or twice a month but I always have both my young kids and never a babysitter. So its impossible to catch up.
But there is another guy on here from Mackay and I think his username is Ash. So if he doesnt reply to this thread maybe look him up on here and send him a message?
Otherwise I would have liked to chat. Sorry about that! Oh the joys of being a mother to lil kiddies
not much to add, but definitely tell centrelink because we just purchased again in June and the rent return pushed us over the limit of what FTBs we recieve. we have gone from $5k a yr to nothing. we dont really mind though because it was bound to happen with us wanting to continue purchasing. so tell them straight away so you dont owe money back.
i know someone but i gotta wait til Sunday to get his number. There is a guy at my church who is a builder out here. But I only know his first name and cant remember his business name. So cant look him up. Ill grab his details and pass them on then.
I live in Moranbah, ill ask around for u. although this time of yr the town clears out a fair bit. best to get it done before it gets even closer to christmas / new yrs. basically the whole town closes over that period.
I would love to catch up for coffee, however every time I come into town I have my two kids aged 2 and 4 with me … so an adult conversation such as this is impossible ha.
My husband and I are just starting out too, we have two properties. But hoping to add to that a property every two yrs. Slow and steady at the moment due to family duties. But once I am back at work our plan is to then purchase each year. But we are using the time between purchasing wisely by improving our current props and researching the market.
Hey Ash. I invest in Mackay, but live in Moranbah.
I dont know anything about Mt Isa markets so cant say anything there.
Our financial planner is Mike Browne from Browne and Bird (in Victoria St Mackay) and awhile back they presented us all the information about Dalrymple Bay and the stuff happening out there. This will be influencing the house prices in Mackay some time over the upcoming 3 or 5 years or whatever until things kick into full swing, then prices will rise quite considerably due to an increase in demand. So I recommend doing some research on Dally Bay. But thats only one of the many reasons we invest locally.
In my opinion Slade Point is very undervalued because of the whole "stigma" of it being housing commission. But the suburb is changing and losing that bad rep now that times moving on. But the houses are still pretty cheap compared to the rest of Mackay. Its on the water with gorgeous beaches, yet still only minutes to town. Another is Beaconsfield – not out Eaglemount Heights way cos there is a lack of facilities out there – but the side closest to Mt Pleasant. Its fairly cheap considering how expensive MtP is. Those are two suburbs that we are keeping an eye on for our next purchase.
We personally are staying away from the northern beaches. Too many new estates going up out there and too much land.
Anyways, good luck with it Don't trust anyone's opinions unless youve backed it up with your own independent research. In fact, research till your eyes bleed before you buy anything.
there is an article on this in the latest API (well, i think its the latest one – i just read it the other day). the whole article is about billbords. might be worth grabbing a copy from the newsagency.
I admit hubby's job is single industry area – as we live in Moranbah, a mining town. The situation you described above is more likely to hit Moranbah, not Mackay. Hence why we chose not to invest in Moranbah.
But Mackay is thriving. Its got lots of industries like the sugar cane, tourism for the whitsundays etc etc. We arent concerned one bit about investing in Mackay. Its going nowhere but up. So we arent concerned about house prices plummeting or having houses sit vacant for months on end etc. Hubby and I grew up in Mackay and lived here til a few yrs ago so we know the area very well.
Yeah the car loan we hate, but its got the same interest as the home loans as we made the decision to cross collateralise back when we knew absolutely nothing and trusted the bank to not lead us astray (HA how we've learnt) … and I also left the decision making up to hubby about what car to get. Even he admits now that he shouldnt have gotten such a ridiculous car. Boys and their toys haha.
terry – what is ur worst case scenario with rates? am i ok just putting it at 8%. If it goes to 10% that would be scarey. but itd still only be $270 a week out of pocket expenses.
(also, my comments above dont include tax returns, just normal annual expenses)
we have loss of rent cover with our landlords insurance – which reminds me i was going to double check my policies and see if it was adequate. plus would have leftover equity we could redraw.
ive worked out that if i take our current 2 mortgages and add a 3rd mortgage (including stamp duty and all buying costs), then put all loans on a potential 8% interest rate with their current rental return (plus a realistic expected target rent for the new property), and when including into our costs rates for 3 houses, PM fees, $3000 maintenance a yr, and 3 lots of landlords insurances, we are only out of pocket $170 a week. Thats if we get a house for the price Im wanting to pay – which isnt unrealistic.
if hubby lost his job we have insurances to cover short term and long term unemployment. and these payments would cover all our living expenses plus debt repayments.
And in regards to centrelink we dont count the family benefit payments into our regular income. We get this at the end of the year and we consider it our lil bonus to put onto debt. We only count the money we generate ourselves as we dont believe in relying on the government to raise our family. So we have always kept this payment seperate from the family budgeting. We try to live as self sufficiently as possible. My kids dont go into childcare so I have no rebates from that.
Once you take out the potential $170 – $200 a week out of our own income we are still left with a managable budget. Especially considering we dont pay any rent where we live. We have that added advantage up our sleeve. And if the property was ever vacant shortterm we are fine cos we have about $5000 emergency funds for this purpose, plus we have all our debts paid a month in advance so we are able to skip a whole month of mortgage payments if it comes down to that. That is how we have structured our shortterm emergency relief.
We are very frugal livers. We buy where we have to, but only on the good stuff. We are very good budgeters. School is free here cos there is only a public option in the whole town. Kindy is over now, that was relatively cheap. And u mention nappies … my kids are cloth bum kids i adore a cloth bum haha. Plus soooo much cheaper than disposables. $60 of terry towel nappies lasted me both my last two children! I guess this is an indication of our frugality We do holiday quite a few times a year (about 10 times a year we go and stay with family and have mini-breaks, and about 3 times a yr we go on longer camping holidays), but we stay with family where we can, and when we cant the kids get to go on a tenting adventure.
Oh and let me clarify that I told him my concerns and his reply was that he doesnt advise people to try to get rich quick, but rather to get rich slowly by reducing risk and not playing with a "house of cards that can come tumbling down at any time". But with CF+ homes in a market that really isnt going to go down (Mackay, Central QLD), I dont see the issue.
thanks Richard. i had actually already passed on your details to her saying that we had intended to use your services for our next purchase …. that was of course until i found out we were expecting another baby so we put a hold on everything until the baby is out and we know our money doesnt need to be saved for medical expenses
she had spoken to one mortgage broker to see if their finances would allow a purchase of up to $350k, and he had advised them to take up a loan with the NAB. and when she told him she needed to be out of her rental prop by March 20th he said its ok it only takes 4 weeks to buy a house. i basically demanded then that she talk to you. i told her she needs to allow 8 weeks to allow a week for negs/contract signing, 3 weeks finance and stuff (chrissy holidays and pub holidays!), 2 weeks settlement, then 2 weeks moving/cleaning.
So she said she will ring you tomorrow morning for advice with buying in Brisbane and also financing. they really need some help because they are both young and havent done any research or anything on their own due to time restraints.
Her name is Jen and she said she will call after 8am tomorrow Thanks Richard, I feel so much better now that she will be talking to someone who knows what they are doing!!
only the interest segment of your mortgage payments for your IP are tax deductable. so its best to have that loan as an interest only payments and just pay your minimum amount.
make sure your PPOR loan has an offset facility. Which means that while you are paying only the minimum repayments onto your loan, you have a stash of cash sitting in another account which is cutting down your interest you pay each month. and put every spare cent into that account because while u live in your PPOR your interest isnt tax deductable.
if at any time you choose to move into a different PPOR and use your current one as an IP you will then have this wonderful collection of $ you can then take out of your offset account and use it as your deposit.
at that time you will then have 3 properties: two IPs that have interest only minimum repayments, and a PPOR with an offset facility where you put all your savings.
does that make sense? this is the first time im offering advice on this forum normally im the one asking for it. so its odd! im sure others will post their opinions as well.
i havent gotten building and pest reports done yet cos i only found out on friday at 4:30pm that the house may soon go back on the market.
i thought i should wait until the vendor comes back to say yes or no to a backup contract before I organise those. but i didnt even think about the REA giving them to me. i have my normal guy that does my inspections – id probably prefer to get him as he only does inspections, no building work. so his inspections arent bias towards getting him some more work. but i can still organise those to be done while its under the other contract if need be. im not sure at the moment when the next finance date is for them.