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- Scott No Mates wrote:look up foster & son @ mt druitt, pretty sure they are still around.
Thanks mate.
Yes, they’re still around and look pretty good. I’ll make some inquiries.
Cheers,
Jack
Well done Nathan!
Not just on the latest insert in the BRW but the whole story.
It’s great to see someone make a success of themselves.
Jack
Hi Josh,
Your knowledge and experience is proving invaluable not only to me but I’m sure to any investor considering obtaining a footing in the Central Queensland market.
Thankyou for taking the considerable time and effort to answer my questions. It is very much appreciated.
Jack
Hi Josh,
I’d like to hear your thoughts, and anyone else with experience for that matter, on the current new estates situated on the southern side of Emerald?
I think I’d speak for many investors interested in purchasing newly built properties in Emerald, that a major concern is the not only the quality of the builder and the end product but the actual estate they are situated in. Other concerns I'd imagine would be available supporting infrastructure and proximity to the town centre.
Also, with many potential purchasers being interstate investors…what would you suggest is the best way for people to mitigate against potential problems during a build?
Jack
moxi10 wrote:Hi JackBuying new would probably increase the liklihood of leaseing to a mining company. The new developments are a little further from the amenities and the popular night life, which make them a bit less appealing to the workers, but I doubt if the mine managers are concerned by that aspect..
A big percentage of the current demand for rental accomadation is from those employed on the expansion of Mt. Arthur, with many more contractors expected late August and early Septemeber to work at the Ravensworth expansion. They are more likely to try to lease a property near the CBD.
The miners themselves are likely to purchase their own house, due to the fact that their incomes allow them to do this fairly easily. Many of them are from the local region anyway, as this is a preference in the selection process applied by the mines. However, about 20% of those employed at Mangoola, the newest mine, are from outside the region, and some are definitely buying homes in Muswellbrook. As the workforce required for the expansions and proposed new mines will exceed the skilled labour available, a higher percentage is likely to. be sourced from outside the region in the future, increasing demand for more housing.There are a couple of new mines planned at Denman, near Muswellbrook, as well as Mt. Pleasant, just outside Muswellbrook.
I chose established houses with recent renovations, which allowed me to claim depreciation. Both my houses also offer opportunities for further improvements. I have converted a rumpus room in one into a fifth bedroom, which has made it attractive to contracting companies.
My leases in both houses will expire soon, and my realestate agent advises that demand is high, and increaseing, allowing for a rental increase.
One established area to avoid is on the northwest of town, near Wollombi road. This is a housing commision area, and there is a disproportionately high crime rate there. Part of the area on the southeast of town is apparently undermined, and subsidience may be an issue. My properties are near Coles and Aldi, on the southwest, which is the direction in which the town is expanding, and the properties there are generally newer and in good condition.
The general new versus old rules apply, with old having established sales history and closer proximity to CBD and potentially greater long term land value etc. My personal preference is for good quality established.
Hopefully that helps your research
Moxi10
Hi Moxi10,
Thanks mate that is an excellent summary and a great help to my research. I certainly agree with you in relation to good quality established housing for higher land values closer to town. It’s going to be an interesting 3-5 years I think.
Jack
moxi10 wrote:Terry Ryder has new commentary on Muswellbrook….http://soundcloud.com/hotspotting/muswellbrookYes Muswellbrook and certainly the Hunter Valley in general has some exciting dynamics that should bode well for the property market. Moxi10…I see from another thread you have property in Muswellbrook. I’m having a look at Muswellbrook at the moment and I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on new v established?
I would be thinking new builds may offer exposure to company leases whereas the older stock providing rental accommodation to some of this market and also locals working in the town as the more established property is closer to the town centre.
Any thoughts Moxi10?
Jack
shoooshoo wrote:Hi guys just read this article about the massive mining investment from the Indian company in galilee basin. Is this the mega mine happening in alpha?Just got the coffee and bread from the village bakery and front page on today’s edition of The Australian!
shoooshoo wrote:Hi guys just read this article about the massive mining investment from the Indian company in galilee basin. Is this the mega mine happening in alpha?Yes. It’s interesting that many ‘economic experts’ in the media warn of the China slowdown but little is mentioned of the increasing market to India. The economic climate is in a place where every man and his dog are trying to predict what will happen.
The underlying fundamentals remain the same, the industrialisation of both China and India will provide a unique opportunity for Australia. Billions of people moving from a socialist regime to a capitalist society. The development of the middle class in both societies that require vast amounts of commodities (stuff).
There are political scare campaigns being implemented from all angles at the moment dampening consumer confidence. This federal government only contributes to the uncertainty but all through it the huge investment bought about by these mining companies keeps quietly moving along.
We are not bound by the same markets as the United States, Greece, Spain, Ireland. Understand the underlying fundamentals and shut out all the noise.
Jack
Portfolio PI wrote:JT7 wrote:Hi Josh,I know your bullish on Emerald and would be interested in your opinion, and anyone else with experience in this market, your preferred product ie. unit or house considering future developments in the area and having made a selection whether new or established?
Jack
Hi Jack,
late reply here… I am quite bullish on emerald more for the fact of its security rather than rental yields. I never chase properties for cash flow as I just don’t need to whereas some people do to even out there portfolio with losses made elsewhere. I always go new, mainly due to my relationships with builders, deprecation, and I really don’t like buying other peoples mistakes basically. Also as i really don’t want to spend my days calling tradies to get things fixed. This is okay to do if you only have one or two properties in your portfolio but if you have more it can be quite a hassle.
In Emerald units or houses are both fairly sought after. 2 bed units are popular, however i always build three bed as there are more buyers in the market for 3 bed units. In saying that, I have a developer doing 2 bedroom units in Emerald, I would furnish these if it was me buying one. These units are good as they are around the $300k mark with good rent so its a great lower entry point.
A new, quality, 4 bedroom house will always rent the best in my experience. not the lower level typical investment that some builders pump out all in a row, but a nice, 4 bedroom home with 2 good living areas in a good, semi quite street with quality neighbours rents the best. In a mining town you get people doing shift work, so the positioning of the house and the rooms within it can be quite important I believe.
the houses and duplex units only need 2 bathrooms, you will most likely attract a young couple or a family in Emerald. So furnishing and having extra bathrooms like some other towns wont pay off. This will see less wear and tear on your property also.
If you have Facebook have a look at our page, I pasted an article there today about the Alpha mines. People overlook Emerald, which to me is great for now while I am quite bullish on it and holding more and more properties there. In three years time people will be wishing they got in now, that’s my belief anyway.
Thanks Josh that was a very informative reply and I appreciate it. I’ll jump on Facebook and have a look at Alpha.
Keep up the great work it’s very interesting reading.
Jack
Hi Josh,
I know your bullish on Emerald and would be interested in your opinion, and anyone else with experience in this market, your preferred product ie. unit or house considering future developments in the area and having made a selection whether new or established?
Jack
katmat wrote:Dcwwood, I agree with your first comment Josh’s blog on Gladstone is the most detailed I’ve seen. He has informed us of some more to come and Mackay is one of those. I would wait to read that and pose some questions back to him. I’m lookig at either Emerald or Mackay at the moment to buy! Both look set for long term growth and aren’t just reliant on the mining boom for thsi growth. That’s what I like about them both!NSW is really long term growth and low yields!No doubt the Bowen and Galilee Basins are going to create some real opportunities for investors in the coming years. I have property in Emerald and I like it’s growth story however, there are some things to like about NSW which I think get forgotten about, and who could blame anyone after the performance of the last state government regarding infrastructure planning and the like.
The Hunter Valley is interesting. Some massive investment being poured into the port in Newcastle off the back of this resource boom. New mines opening up and existing ones being expanded. Diverse economy: Tourism; Wineries; Agriculture; Horse Studs; 1.4b investment in transport infrastructure re: Hunter Expressway; future population boom and of course mining.
Yes, agree might not be as explosive as Central Qld but perhaps this is a good thing……
Good yields to be had in Muswellbrook.
Excellent read Josh. Well done!
coalstar wrote:my 12% return is safer than your 30% returnHave to agree on that.
Still some serious downside to the US economy and I don’t there out of the woods yet by a long shot. Why go abroad when there are so many fantastic markets here in Australia!
Jack
katsudon98 wrote:Hi all,So i have moved from Sydney to Tasmania Hobart. The houses here are unbelievably cheap compared to Sydney. So i am looking at to invest. Heres my situation:
I have approx $45k deposit, earn $600 – $700 per week net.
I have a couple of things in mind that i want to do but cant make up my mind just yet.– First: I looked at buying a cheap house, renovate it and get an extra room or two and rent it out by the room. Looking at around Glenorchy area as houses are around $200k.
– Second: Buy a cheap unit for around $100k in Rokeby and rent it out. There are a few 1x bdrm units selling for $98k and renting for $150 per week. Minus all the outgoings, its about $125pw net.
– Third: Purchase a land in either Howrah or Glenorchy for around $100k, build a new house ($130k roughly) and sell it after completion. Looking to make around $50k profit.
Then i also saw some ridiculous cheap properties in Queenstown for $80k 2xbdrm unit renting at early $100's per week.So i am little confused of where to start.
Any suggestions? Cons and Pros?
What would you guys do in my position?
Hi Katsudon,
I’m going to play devils advocate if I may for a minute. Are you sure Tasmania is the smart place to be putting your money at the moment?
I’m just not sure whether the economic fundamentals along with demographic shifts are supportive of an investment in property in Tasmania at the moment.
At the present time there is some huge money being spent on infrastructure in other states around the country along with other positive shifts and taking a closer look at some of these might be beneficial.
I don’t want to confuse or change your mind but sometimes it’s beneficial to look at the alternative options.
Best of luck.
minichick wrote:Portfolio PI wrote:minichick wrote:I would wait and see if the carbon tax goes through before investing in any mining area atmhow is the carbon tax going to impact coal mining exports?
http://www.miningweekly.com/article/carbon-tax-will-hurt-jobs-in-coal-mining-report-2011-06-14
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9 contracts have pulled out last time Rudd tried a similar tactic jobs were lost and the reigns given to Juliar would be nice to be wrong as I was considering investing in some towns such as Blackwater/Emerald dysart/middlemount are just to risky for my SANF
There appears little doubt this carbon tax is causing the industry some headaches. It has surely caused uncertainty in the market and increased sovereign risk in the short term. However, I also think there is some scare mongering from both sides.
It is my understanding, and I'm only to happy to be corrected, that the carbon tax will only add approximately $1.20c to the cost of 1 tonne of coal for export.
There may be some confusion between the tax on export coal apposed to coal fired energy facilities such as Hazelbrook down in Victoria which burns high polluting brown coal.
I believe the underlying fundamentals are extremely strong. There is a whole lot of politics going on at the moment and some spin on truths. Don't listen so much to what these massive mining companies are saying at the moment but look at what they are quietly doing.
Jack
coalstar wrote:why all the fuss about Emerald? I have to say though it would be a safer option than other towns as its diversifiedExactly!
Okapied wrote:But what about the downturn in China (where a lot of our primary industry exports go), and our European debt exposure? Wont that have an effect on jobs and interest rates?I don’t think China is in a ‘downturn’ as such. Yes the economy shows signs of slowing slightly but is still growing at a healthy rate. The recent 5 year plan, and I’m happy to be corrected, suggests China is shifting from production to increased consumption. This is due to the inevitable movement away from socialism to capitalism and the emergence of a middle class.
Yes, Australia’s economy is becoming more and more reliant on commodities and so when there is a small correction in the market or downwards pressure on GDP economists get spooked. Moving forward, India has a significant shift on the near horizon that will see our economy benefit. There is discussion recently we are not being proactive enough to secure a trade partnership with India unlike the United States and Canada who have been on the front foot. The ‘she’ll be right’ attitude won’t cut it in this environment.
I think unemployment will drop and interest rates will rise. It’s inevitable as the benefits of this coming investment in infrastructure comes into fruition. Always happy to be corrected.
Jack
shoooshoo wrote:Hi All, i’m new to this site, and new to investing in regional/mining towns. Over the last week, i have read this entire blog, all 350+ posts spanning 3years worth! I have cut and pasted many sections from it. It is very interesting to see peoples thoughts and what actually eventuated over this coarse of time. I have messaged Property Investor 1, and she has kindly replied to my questions very quickly, no doubt i’m accessing years of experience, so i’m thankful to her and to everyone here.So you might wonder what brought me to this site? to cut the story short, a couple of years ago i made a few bad investment decisions (nothing that costed, just didn’t capitalize on the opportunities) and it has fuelled my soul to seek the truth on how to do things better. So i subscribed to the Australian Property Investor magazine for 3 years, i have been reading it now for the last six months. My ultimate goal is to have a good size portfolio, and from what i kept readying is that the investors who achieve this, usually do it by the following means. 1.they start really young, or 2.are developers, sell some and keep some, or 3, they buy, renovate to achieve a greater rental yield and hold . or 4, they purchase positively geared properties. SInce i’m in the capital city of Melbourne , which has the worst rental yield of 4.2%, this is pretty much almost impossible to find. Before readying the magazine, i never considered purchasing interstate, but after discovering the opportunities in the mining and regional towns, specially with the very attractive yeilds obtainable, I have gone crazy, trying to find every piece of information i can get! I’m not sure if i’m gutsy enough to go for a full on 100% mining dependant town (as i have a small portfolio of 3 properties) i find the prospects in purchasing in Emerald or chinchilla the way to go so far, but i have alot of studying still to do. So if anyone has any more information they can provide me, please notify me, thanks very much!
Hi Shoooshoo,
I have property in Emerald. It’s a great town with a huge upside in the very near future. You are more than welcome to my research I’ve accumulated. PM me if you like.
Jack
Portfolio PI wrote:JT7 wrote:Hi Josh,I will follow your travels and on-the-ground research with interest. I’d be very interested to see what’s happening out near Alpha regarding building of properties geared towards the investor if your heading out that way…?
Just off the cuff Josh, I’m thinking of installing new air conditioning units in a property in Emerald. Are you able to recommend a reliable brand, advise of the cost of the unit and cost to instal, and perhaps someone trusted you have experience in dealing with who could supply and instal for me?
Appreciate your help.
Jack
Hi Jack,
Alpha is on the map, especially with so much about to happen out there with 3 potential mega mines, i really want to find out where that will impact as its up in the air still with local councils. I’ll get on the ground out there and see what’s really happening.
In regards to aircons…in emerald Fujitsu are the best for that climate however they are twice the price as what I have used a lot which is Kelvinator…very good brand, no problems and cost effective. However I am building 4 units in Emerald at the moment and the builders electrician is using a different brand which comes out of the Kelvinator factory called TECO. A bit better on the hip pocket again but very smooth running and reliable. Being a bit cold there now i would imagine you aren’t in a hurry to get this installed? I can ask the electrician and plumber that will be doing mine if they can do yours while they are there if you would like? If the timing suits and they are happy to I’ll pass their details on to you.
Cheers,
Hi Josh,
Yeah mate no huge hurry to get them in and if your electrician is happy to do so and has time it would be very convenient.
Cheers Josh I appreciate that.
Jack
Hi Josh,
I will follow your travels and on-the-ground research with interest. I’d be very interested to see what’s happening out near Alpha regarding building of properties geared towards the investor if your heading out that way…?
Just off the cuff Josh, I’m thinking of installing new air conditioning units in a property in Emerald. Are you able to recommend a reliable brand, advise of the cost of the unit and cost to instal, and perhaps someone trusted you have experience in dealing with who could supply and instal for me?
Appreciate your help.
Jack