Just thought I would reply to this, almost three months after I made the initial thread!
I have noticed a recent renovation development of an older style existing building, that is going ahead as an equally large backpacker accommodation as the town is used off (esp in the main street!). But not large buy any standards of the city and some of the other touristy places!
Some stats in the area show that in 2003 there were some 350,000 visitors staying an average of 5 days in the town and in 2004 some 475,000 visitors staying an average of 7 days. And this year expected to rise again. And it is of my opinion that it will certainly, and steadily grow.
This kind of development is good for me, because.
1). It re-confirms that it could be done (and this is also a larger style backpackers accommodation).
2). Says to me that this still could be done with a very smaller type of accommodation, guest house type backpacker accommodation, with has less risk.
3). Makes me keener to find a money partner. So that I can try and get something started tomorrow!!
<<I did a low doc, rural zoning, 48 acre property recently and that went through fine. If this can be done, your’s certainly can be. I don’t the whole story has been presented yet. It is a house isn’t it?>>
If the person lives in the town where they grew up! With Low Doc’s. Does the lender(s) have any consideration for this, to get the loan accross the line? If it’s rural or the population is small?
You don’t need to really be a leader, the group will take direction on it’s own, just providing a venue will be enough for a group to build some momentum.
So not really to dissimilar to having guests around or (mates), you know how to have a barbie don’t you, (I’m sure) so it’s no different, you’ll be the host! You could perhaps post a time in this thread (as anyone subscribed will receive an update), see if everyone is happy with that time, announce the venue. And as you’ve mentioned, I think your patio would be perfect.
Though I haven’t organized a group before, i imagine the group will discuss things and activities within itself. And I think you will be amazed at what can be done once you get like minded people together with the one goal.
Initially i didn’t have any wild extravagant thoughts on what i thought a group could do. But i would have liked to arranged and play the property 101 game or 202 and just chatted with like minded investors! ( as i haven’t had much contacted with investors because of coming from a quiet country town) and I still haven’t ever spoken to an investor, that I know of . Only online, is where I get my value! And haven’t palyed the 101/202 investors game either. And I think that would be a great way to bond a group. Games always do and is one of the reason people play them.
I think maybe you could provide some small light snacks, such as biscuits and chips and coffee, or B.Y.O if you want to have a few coldies! And someone else might want to provide the next one. Although a Pub is a good place to.
What I would probably do to find more information about what groups can do together, is to go over some past discussions on what groups have done in the past. I seen some great posts in sommersoft.com on group meetings in other places. And or ask for idea of what people would like to do when going to the meet!
Also Padma I have an Albury Database that I was setting up for this meeting, so I will contact these people and let them know to look at this very thread for info on when and where it’s on.
Also I will send you the contact in a PM of the REA who’s keen on giving the talk about the Property Managing, and the office location. Now she’s a very confident person bubbling with chatter, so don’t worry she will just come in and chat to you and all the group, confidently and without a problem.
Good Luck, I’m with you, and will help you out with anything I can, and send you the contacts.
I hope I may be down in Victoria sooner then I think, so I hope i can make it to one of the group meetings.
This property has sold now and with five others waiting in line if it falls through, with offers waiting to be submited. Went for some amount slightly less then $77,000, listed price.
<<The rules are in the wrap agreement.>>
That’s what I would have liked to have seen.
<<I also suggest you redo your figures. 20% of $45,000 is $9,000, not $2,000.>>
That’s with 7,000 FHOG taken out of the $9,000 deposit again! I changed the thread to make that a little clearer!
<<You will also find it very difficult finding anyone to finance a property in a flood zone if it comes up on the valuation.>>
They actaully over looked this, because I applied for finance anyway. There main concern was the light industrial zone! However if I had nine thousand up front and using the grant of $7,000, so therefore $16,000 cash. They would have been happy to do it.
I told em the properties gone anyway!
I hate it when a deal falls through, but it was another good learning experience. Something strange was going on there though. Because I was asked to submit any offer, any offer at all. So it was $45,000 then it was realized that it was listed and under offer with another agent. The agent who I had asked said if I had of been there three days earlier you would have been right.
But stil out of all this I stil want to learn how to secure some finance or some way of doing it. Because it will be soon that I will find another deal.
Yes. That’s the case. I don’t know how long ago? But the wrappee has been paying the property off for a number of years, and now declared bankrupt.
I’m not sure what’s happening the agent says he’s getting in touch with a solicitor. Because he thinks that the wrappee does not have any control over the property, once bankruptcy has been declared? Which I’m about to go around and see what the agency has found out!
What occures with repossetion? What are the rules?
I would like to enter into the conversation and present a scenario I am currently doing thorough due diligence on, if you don’t mind? And would appreciate any comments and suggestions on what I could do! I’m not sure how to go about the finance?! And would really appreciate how I or someone else could negotiate a low or no money down deal, because the info may help someone else as well, for the discussion. particularly with a FHOG that could be thrown into the scenario as well , to cover the deposits cost or something? I would really like to secure this property in my own name on the title. It is a debacle going on with the selling of the property and it is the reason it is going so cheap! The following explains more and the financial details of the property itself.
About the Situation of the Property!
The owner of the property (an investor with already 10 properties and been in the game a long time) done a private sale X? amount of years ago (a wrap transition), and also X amount of dollars (I haven’t been able to find out how much!).
The person currently living in the property and renting it, up until a few days ago, a wrappee from hell (and a neighbor from hell reports the next door neighbor).
The wrappee has declared bankrupt and tried to sell the property by putting up a ‘private sale’ sign up, out the front! This private sale has been unsuccessful for her and recently listed with LJHooker.
Here’s where it gets interesting, the original owner or the “wrapper” apparently has had a fallout with LJHooker before and has an ‘personal conflict’ with someone in local office. Because of a some money transaction some time or years ago. And at sometime in the last few weeks the wrapper has contacted his good mate in the RE industry, who owns an office and they have agreed to sell the property, “as well”.
I came about finding the property by approaching the mate of the wrapper in the agency when i originally sort the property and it was explained to me that they had the prop on the market. Once I had inspected the property they were shocked that LJHocker had listed the property.
The original owner the wrapper in just sick and tried of the whole ordeal and things going with the property that he is just throwing his hands up i the air and apparently is just saying ” all I want is my money” owned from the wrappee, who is supposed to be finishing off paying for the property.
So we asked LJHocker and they have said they have a a third contract on the property for 70. And that two others have fallen thru. Yet I am able to put a contract on the property for $45,000 if LJHocker didn’t have it listed. This is where I’m uncertain what to do. The agent is saying he will go around and try to talk to her about listing it with him and selling it to me for $45,000.
In the meantime I’m doing this due diligence on how I could secure the property using a low or no money down deal! I know that the numbers stack up and that I can easily rent this house for 130 a wk and do my own maintenance etc.
A few of the actual problems with the property.
Property is in a flood zone. But no floods since 1940 and also lots of council drains and things etc put all around the area, since 1940.
Some council work has not been approved, such as a shed, bathroom.
House needs probably $2000 paint job and some small repairs.
1/2 acre flat nicely grassed area, with one or two trees but otherwise all clear on two deeds!
Fences probably good enough for the next ten years.
Mortgage details:
Loan Principle and Interest = $36000.00
Interest rate = 7.5 Percent
Term = 25 Years
Weekly mortgage repayments = $61.39
Total repayments for life of loan = $79812.00
Annual costs:
Management fees 0 Percent = $0.00
Letting and advertising = $0
Body corp fees = $0
Rates = $400
Utility rates and fees = $0
Insurance = $350
Miscellaneous costs = $0
Land tax = $0
Maintenance 10 Percent = $624.00
Other ownership costs = $0
Total annual costs = $1374.00
Summary:
Total annual rent = $6240.00
Total annual mortgage = $3192.48
Total annual costs = $1374.00
Total annual cash flow = $1673.52
Total funded costs = $6557.50
Risk free return = $262.30 Bank interest rate of 4 Percent.
Annual Cash On Cash Return = 25.52%
Cash flow Positive Weekly = $32.18
There the figures if someone was normally purchasing the property. However I would be interested if I could ask the original owner if he would carry some money back and then take on paying off the “Now bankrupt wrappee”. Help Me Can anyone help me with some answers and some possible solutions to this strange mixed up problem but good opportunity!
How We Want To Solve The Problems
Because it’s such a nice big block and the house is on a side of the block there is a few possible things that could go on with it.
1). Is to subdivide.
2). There is a further 1/4 acre right next door that might become available soon, to make the existing 1/2 acre 3/4 acres.
3). To put a retaining wall on the block which we have figured out a way to do this with recourses locally for very cheap, indeed.
4). Then once it’s officially not a flood zone, instantly increases the value of the property, makes it look slightly better, because previously was on a slight two foot hill slop (this is where is went down to ‘flood zone’ area!).
5). Then the possibility of relocating a second home once subdivide for approx $30 grand (ruffly) but this would come later or with a money partner?
6). And or put one big Queenslander on the 1/2 acre block and sell the little existing house for maybe ($6.000), landscaping the garden over a 12 month period? (this would be the best way to make the most money). I estimate a neat Queenslander on a ‘Not flood zone’ with it garden landscaped (by ourselves really cheaply !) would fetch anything easily from $200,000 to $300,000.
A little bit to do and a few steps involved, but all manageable!
Simon, I maybe getting in contact with you soon [wink].
And just a follow up question!
The scenario of buying and applying for the FHOG, and then renovating the property and re-selling 12-24 months down the track and profiting say, 40k. That would attract no CGT? Yeah?
Originally posted by padmaa23108:May be you all can come down to my place and enjoy the views from the balcony.
Hope to hear from you’s soon. Pl. PM me.
Regards
Padma
Hi Guys,
Don’t be afraid to get together and form a group. That sounds like a great offer Padma. Would you like to form the group. And take over as head organizer [biggrin]?
I have left Victoria now (something come up) and I may be away for a further 2-4 months. Sorry about my intentions and that and not being able to arrange the group meeting as yet.
There is 4 or 5 interested people now, so that’s enough to form a group and make a meeting! I have organized a Property Manager to come and speak to the group, she is more then happy to come and chat about the Albury Property Market etc and said she is available anytime. Just let me know , Padma and i will put you in toach with her!
“I only wish I could do something for you.”
You could give me $70,000 and fund me to buy my first property. I have not ever purchased a property [biggrin].
That’s great. But don’t thank me, thier’s a lot of people putting these threads together.
You know when I was new, I was finding lot’s more as I was reading and i was hungry and i was learning something new. It’s reminds me of those times when i was reading them and learning.
So while your doing it don’t be afraid of putting in some links. Just put the link in here and I will put it up in the top bit.
Chances are if you find something benefitial and long and detailed or something….about some subject…then someone else will be able to benefit from it to!
We need some more [tired].
But anyway, thanks about the compiling bit. Compiling sounds like to fancy a word for me, but I’I take it [biggrin].
And sorry I haven’t been able to reply, I’m all over the place, really busy.
In this place I’m in. The rental backpacker accommodation is 65% and the some are saying the maximun their having is 90%, vaccancy that is!
So thiers the problem! Because thier is an unemployment rate of 12% you can rent the rooms tempararily for the people with not much money, the helpless and the not so well off. During the time when thier is not as many back packers around end march for a two three months, when thier at a minimun. ( but i’m only guessing that’s the problem, I think if you market it you can make it profitable easily) an average house can have 16 beds at 20 a day, that’s $208 a day at 65% vacancy.
But also, but the key in all this is the marketing. Thier is so many things that you can do to market a Backpackers accommodation. Though i actaully prefur to call it a “Guest House” with good genuine country style hospitality but in near and around the city limits hussle and bussle.
I could go on for ages, but I will just put in some piont form.
` Run workers out to the workers fruit picking farms dayly and nite.
As already suggested and a good idea.
` Manually campain outside of the bus shelters, the bus stops (just the same as how i have been picked up for Backpackers) train stations and anywhere, where thier is taurests or backpackers travelling into the area. You need to approach them and give them a ride and a bit of support.
`Offer deals (in house) free feeds, coke machines, airconditioned rooms, food for lunches for the workers. Taurests for the beach to run them to the beach. I’m a qualified Chef so I can do the food.
`And then you could have other things like washing machines, Internet use, coke machine.
Thier is harder rules to backpacker accommodation because of the Childers backpacker murders and the fire. That we so easily have forgotten from a while ago! A big Queenslander is suitable. With it already lifted so that you don’t need legal requirements meet. Thier is grounds and the market to do this and it would deppend on how it is managed. I could manage it and know I would thrive in this sort of situation.
For example the other day I seen a Lovely queenslander and was only $250 thousand.
Does anyone like dealing with council. I don’t like dealing with council. You want to find out with the council of all the if’s and but’s and do the council side of it. And I can sign a contract with you to run and manage the place (we can organise a contract with something!) probably for twelve months. I can do all the administration and the organising ‘On Site’ and the marketing. In this time it could get settled and the run of the place ‘in place’ then maybee i can be replaced with a trained person or somebody thats wants to be a resident for free and runs the place?
“his or her (mini cough, splutter, wink) database for a cut of the profit.” Curtainly. I have a Database of 100 + clients , that i am open to share and negotiate with, to find a deal/to share deals, in a resourceful invironment,.. for a Win-Win deal.
It’s Simple. 50/50 I just go halfves with the deal!
As you can imagine there is no way I can satisfy 100 clients and I’m getting 2 – three up to five every week. I have a legal way to do it in Queesnland that we can discuss over the table for more information. Also remember, and when you think about this, these people are not wanting just one property in some or a lot of places, some want one, two three or you know , it would not be unusual to go up to ten properties. Expance you mind there is the possibility of hundreds of houses when you try to satify 100 clients who want 10 houses each.
I’m really surprized, that no-one has ever really asked me, but there is a resource and market and a database at http://www.Jaffasoft.com that anyone can tap into.
I’m happy to take on some young Grasshopper. Buy Steve Mcknights “Buyer Beware” product from of this web site, property investing.com, learn that as much as you can.
Then come and see me or ring me up when you get a lead or something happens 0429232237.