Mmmmm, perhaps I should have bought in Emerald instead of Mackay. Will have to wait a few months until Mackay is finished then might look at Emerald again.
Are you building there? Mackay is a little lower rental yields, mainly due to the land supply over the last few years. Your rent will grow in the short term in Mackay, however I dont see the yields on Capital value increasing too much. Still good capital growth to be had, one of the top places to invest in Australia at the moment!
if you start neautral or just positive then if you have invested in a good area than rents increase along with capital growth. a property that you buy today that might be neutral, in 3 years it should be positively geared with rental increases. thus creating a long term positively geared portfolio with great equity/capital gain
what’s wrong with buying in areas with neutral gearing which will in essence become positively geared as time goes on with CPI etc? This way you can find good properties in good areas that don’t cost you anything to hold yet are growing in capital value.
I could think of a lot easier ways to make $60,000 per year than holding $3m of real estate. If that $3m of real estate was growing at 8% and not costing me anything to hold than its a good investment.
Don’t forget that the financial situation changes on properties as the variables change in the future. If you’re earning 6 figures than look at gaining some tax deductions also and let the ATO assist in paying some of your properties off.
Firm strategies like these can be great, but remember that property markets in different areas can change at different times. I would always make sure you’re in a position to always take advantage of a good opportunity when it presents itself. I see a lot of people who are on the straight and narrow so to speak, that is, they will not deviate from their plan or can because of the position that their plan has put them in. Therefore they cant or wont take up great opportunities that came around.
I’d like to hear your thoughts, and anyone else with experience for that matter, on the current new estates situated on the southern side of Emerald?
I think I’d speak for many investors interested in purchasing newly built properties in Emerald, that a major concern is the not only the quality of the builder and the end product but the actual estate they are situated in. Other concerns I'd imagine would be available supporting infrastructure and proximity to the town centre.
Also, with many potential purchasers being interstate investors…what would you suggest is the best way for people to mitigate against potential problems during a build?
Jack
Hi Jack,
Heres my thoughts and experience on the estates on the southern side of Emerald. I have developed, held, and sold in just about all of them over the last few years. The vines estate is the most in demand estate on that side of town. It has majority owner occupiers, large houses with great street appeal. This does however mean that prices are very high in the estate. It is a number of years old now so there is no land available. this estate joins “selma rise” developed by council over a number of years, again, all sold and built but great street appeal and a high percentage of owner occupiers. The catholic high school is in this estate. Across the road from this estate is another council development that they did over the last 18 months. This was a good estate, now all sold and built out as of the start of this year. There weren’t really any bad builders in this estate as all the land was sold at auction which means that it didnt really suit the builders who try to secure as many as they can to build 10-20 of the same home.
Continuing down rifle range road is the riverview estate. It has around the 85% investors as the development was taken over in some form by the banks in its early days. Somehow a very large project marketing firm got involved and they mirror reversed a couple of designs over approximately 70 blocks. This has unfortunately reduced the appeal of the estate on a local level. However a number of local builders have started to build in the estate this year and street appeal seems to be improving. Further to the very end of rifle range road is Pilot farm road. There is a new estate going here (they have just scratched the surface) and there is a marketing firm advertising a number of properties there. However talking to the local agent who is pre-selling all the stages assures me that there is only one marketing agency/builder that is allowed in the estate. I am not aware if the designs are all the same or not, and do not know who the builder is. The other allotments are allocated for people buying up to 3/4 lots only i am told. This estate is the furtherest out of town that development has been. There is no infrastructure in way of shops etc out this way. it is 6.5km to the centre of Emerald. A new light industrial site is starting on the corner of Pilot farm road and gregory highway.
Off Gregory highway is the Mayfair ridge estate. there is well over 200 lots now developed and sold. They are continuing development further to the south in the coming years. Being 4km from the centre of town, they saw it prudent (as well as a good business opportunity) to provide commercial/retail facilities to the front of this master-planned estate. To the front of the estate they have a very large tavern, motel, restaurant, convenience store, hairdresser, chemist, fish and chip shop, and dentist. The estate is also right next to the Emerald Christian college. Unfortunately when they first started the estate, one builder who is now long gone and broke was building panel homes, that is, not brick veneer. As these were not built properly, they experienced a large amount of movement due to the adverse weather condition that regional QLD experiences. This was not the best for the estates name at the time. However many issues have been addressed and the estate is moving forwards with leaps and bounds with two of Emerald most quality builders in there. They have also firmly said no to large marketing firms and or builders securing large amounts of land in their next 300 lots as they wish to maintain and build further the local appeal to the estate by having as many owner occupiers as possible.
I do find it frustrating that many builders and or developers/marketing companies find it ok to build sub-standard homes just because they sell to investors. An investment property should not lack in any of the quality that an owner occupier home does in the majority of cases. To provide or even think otherwise is quite unethical I believe. By doing so brings the prices of surrounding houses in the area down which is very disappointing. I have had this happen to me and was not impressed. I built in a new area where it was unknown of the end use for the majority of properties and the standard/quality of the builders. This impacted my end sale price. I also look for areas first where there are established part of the estate so you can understand where the developer is heading. This is not always possible in areas like Emerald or say Gladstone where land is selling before machines have even driven on the site!
In order to mitigate the risks especially if you are an interstate investor there are 3 things to do in believe:
1. Conduct your due-diligence on the estate and what local agents think of it. When buying through an investment firm, get them to tell you (in an email) what their intentions are with the estate and the intentions with the other houses they are selling. ie: how many different designs are there, what will they do to the façades if designs are the same and near each other? how many lots they have etc. anyone savvy will be able to tell if the person knows what they are talking about. Ask the seller if they own property in the area they are selling, if you are buying through an investment firm, and they are recommending an area, than you would assume that given the persons experience in investing in property that they will have property in the area themselves. Also ask if they have built personally with the builder either in that town or in another area. and if the answer is yes, ask for the address or something?
2. I would be asking the seller if the builder sells property on a local level also. if they don’t, this is alarming as they may not have an interest in ensuring that the properties are of good quality or well thought of. hence they may just be there to build there 20 or so properties and they are on to the next town. If they are a new builder to town, ask where else the builder has had an influence and call agents in that are to see what the local perception is of the properties.
3. Ensure that the firm selling the properties is going to be there for the entire process especially if you are building. A lot of local agents don’t have the knowledge to project manage as such so you essentially get left to deal with the builder or an agent that doesn’t truly understand the building process. This is why investor firms exist, although some provide the same service as local real estate agents, that is, they leave you to deal with the process. they are just there to make the “introduction”. Make sure that the firm inspects the properties on your behalf, and photos supplied from the builder is not sufficient in my books. Ask for photos of the whole street when they are building too. ask the firm selling when was the last time they were in the town and when will they be there next.
When conducting your due-diligence, you may make many calls to local agents builders, investor firms etc. Just understand that no matter the person, ,everyone always has their own agenda. If a local agent doesn’t have stock with a particular builder or in a particular estate than they may be biased against it to sway you to something that they can provide. This is fine, and seems to be a part of the real estate industry, you just need to be aware of the fact and take everything with a grain of salt and come to your own conclusion. This includes the person selling you the property you are looking at also.
I hope I have provided some in depth answers/thoughts here!
I have to commend you all on a great thread! I've been reading with interest.
Myself, I'm quite curious about Emerald and have just commenced some due dilligence into the area. Just wondering, other than the information already posted does anyone have any recommended reading?
I'm very interested job statistics and mine worker demographics. Josh, as someone familiar with the area, are most of the mine workers in the area: a) living in Emerald and FIFO or DIDO to work? b) flying into Emerald from other parts of Oz, living there during their shift periods and commuting out mines? c) Are they merely flying into Emerald on their way out to mines with Dongas?
Also has anyone noticed and particular trends in the area in terms of shifting demographics, job advertisments, private or public invetsment other than that breifly mentioned earlier?
Finally, thanks to Keystrategy for posting that article about the Caval Ridge FIFO decision. When you say reading between the lines, are you refering to Andrew Fraser's comments? If so what locations do you believe will be the biggest winners and losers if this is an indication of what's to come?
Development Register:
The latest Central Highlands Development Register was released in July. It shows some key figures of investment into this booming Central QLD region including:
• $84.7 million investment for community infrastructure
• $45.5 million in retail shop developments including newly announced Harvey Norman
• $5.8 billion of corporate capital investment into mining ventures around the Emerald township.
• 3,100 direct new jobs in the above projects
• $16 billion of new projects planned for Alpha (150km West of Emerald). Emerald is planned as the “hub” for these mines according to the Environmental impact statements released.
• 10,680 proposed new jobs for the operation workforce of the above projects in Alpha where, according to the EIS’s, 15% of the direct workforce will reside in Emerald. This figure is expected to grow as housing becomes available.
Housing in Emerald is accommodating local people who work and reside in the area, not fly in fly out. They will DIDO and BIBO to the mines for their entire shift week or just the day depending on which place they work. The motels etc accommodates a large number of FIFO workers also, however, mainly contractors.
Put bluntly, all trends are showing increasing signs of people, wages, job vacancies, houses, rental prices and capital values.
if i was to buy in qld, and need a solicitor to have a look at the contract, can i use a melbourne conveyancer, or is a qld one better, if so any recommendations?
shooshoo,
you must use a QLD registered/licensed solicitor. this doesn’t mean they must be in QLD however most of the time they are.
Hi Josh thanks for the response, any recommendations for the regional areas, can i just use a conveyancer?
Hi Shooshoo, as long as they are thorough and are a good conveyancer/solicitor it is much of a muchness.
What about Capella?. I have heard that Rio Tinto have a new mine approved for the area.
There are no houses for sale or rentals available out there at all.
A few house and land packages are about to hit the market.
What are your thoughts on this area please.
Thanx
Deb
Hi Deb,
Capella to me is quite risky, there are not many mines that support it. In the GFC it was a ghost town as commodity prices shrunk the mine that was operating there decided that it was not financially viable to continue until prices rose. People were stuck with houses they could barely give away. Understandably, things are better know, it just depends to what risk level you wish to expose your portfolio to. As I say with many places in the south of the Bowen Basin, Emerald will be the regional hub for any new mines in the area, providing, stable, long term, diversified employment opportunities to support the longevity of the town.
Personally, I would not invest in Capella. Please understand that that is my personal view, it is in no way saying that it is a bad investment, I just am not comfortable for the risk that I see in it, in my own portfolio.
How long do you want to hold your next property can I ask?
if i was to buy in qld, and need a solicitor to have a look at the contract, can i use a melbourne conveyancer, or is a qld one better, if so any recommendations?
shooshoo,
you must use a QLD registered/licensed solicitor. this doesn’t mean they must be in QLD however most of the time they are.
Firstly, thanx for taking the time to help out investors with information on the Mining Towns.
Your blog updates and forum posts have been great reading.
I have purchaed homes in the Bowen Basin, Surat Basin and in Kalgoorlie and have experienced great capital growth and rental yields in all of them.
I love the Mining Towns and cant get enough of them
I am looking to purchase my next property and am currently looking at Emerald.
I see that you are a big fan of Emerald and have previousley lived in the town. What are the better areas to be looking at buying.
I am planning on making several calls to agents in the area tomorrow.
Thanx
Deb
Hi Deb,
Firstly, thanks for following the blog Mining regions are great aren't they! And yes, I do like investing in Emerald. Currently it has had significant pressure on its rentals which has seen prices rise a bit further as of late.
There are areas to stay away from, one estate has a 90:10 investor/PPR ratio, not to good for general values. And in some estates the builders don't put any thought into design and orientation on the block as they guess investors or people looking for a bargain will buy anyway, not realising the effect that a lack of thought when first building a house will have significant impacts later on (this is the case anywhere however). Some properties are below the flood level so make sure you know if they are or not.
Its hard to say that any area is the best as you may get a bad house in a good area or vice versa.
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Dont go to far out of the CBD if you can avoid it. It is also a situation of "you get what you pay for". You dont need the most expensive but the cheapest is quite often the cheapest for good reason, well that's what past experiences have taught me first hand
You saw the bank or a broker? That will impact what you can do sometimes. Also some banks only recognize the states median rent, not on a regional basis (reality). Also some areasbthe bank consider “riskier” just make sure you don’t buy in an area like that. Again each bank may have different criteria for what they are comfortable with.
hot off the press…Emeralds largest agency has just 2 properties available for rent currently. forget what realestate.com.au shows, this is now reality. I knew it would come to this! rents and prices will now start rising dramatically
you can throw any verbal completion dates down the drain and look at the contract of sale for an off the plan project. this will tell you when the project must be completed by, and if not you have the right to terminate. developers need pre-sales to start in most cases, this,along with raising funds as well as everyone getting there act together can take time. a lot of time!
I would suggest something more “immediate” that capital gains can be realized sooner especially when investing in mining regions. this will help you grow your portfolio more quickly as having commited to buy to an off the plan project will reduce your borrowing capacity until it is completed. unless you have full knowledge and confidence in the builder/developer. I would be asking for a project timeline and the builders AND Developers track record. then doing appropriate searches for previous projects they are claiming to be done. this can include RPDATA searches showing when a block was purchased through to final sales. also find out what agents sold their last developments and talk to them to get their opinion on there past experience with the developer.
why won’t they be ready for a year and bit? if you put your deposit down, you can’t access any potential equity to buy another property until they are built correct?
unless you are going to live in the property you do not get any first home buyers grants or stamp duty concessions/rebates in QLD. you would only be eligible for the $10,000 building grant if you purchased a brand new home.
it sounds like they have tried to sell you an overpriced unit and when you’ve questioned it they have provided you with a better priced product. just in a bad area still!
Run Run Run is all I can say from what you have told us Henry.
Due to the article also posted above. What’s wrong with Bowen as a place to start to create interest for housing?
Especially if things are earmarked for what’s in the article.
Has Bowen not got much in the town? Seeing as theres all this available cheap land would it not in the near future have expedient growth due to the expansions going on?
What’s you’re opinion on why Bowen can’t quite make it.
I’ve never been up that way, so I have no idea.
Cheers.
I am in no way against Bowen as an investment overall. however even the title of the article is “Bowen again…”. As I said it has had a lot of false starts. It is not the only area that will benefit from the mining boom currently under-way. If it is your first property, or even your second, wouldn’t you want more solid capital growth. I would be looking at regions that provide longevity and dont show signs of weakness as bowen has. There are towns where there is practically no land and has been in short supply for years, Bowen is still the opposite of this. If you buy there today, you may be waiting a couple of years for some decent growth to draw on equity and expand.
It is also a good idea to assess the construction workforces V operational workforces of projects if you are buying to hold for the longer term
im not sure what would be better to do this or a course with margaret lomas company destiny, it sounds very promising but the destiny course cost a mint.
Hey Jamie,
reading a few books is what I would be going for. That way you can take from them what you wish and not feel any pressure. I know youve read some but just keep reading. I think Margaret has a book out also, im not sure if its on strategy or a bit more on the buyers advocacy path but im sure its a good read.
Then once you’ve sorted out a strategy that more suits you and that your comfortable with you can refine it by getting one on one advice and once again fitting in that advice with your comfort levels and strategy. then you can find the right properties to form your portfolio over the years.
It would be possible to split the loan into 2 so Henry could have one for the land and one for the construction. I dont' really think there is any benefit to this though.
I was wondering about the stamp duty too. Maybe the builder is paying it by including it in the price of the land.
Henry, good way to learn things isn't it!
Right, I’ve never done it / seen it done this way. Interesting all the different ways!
The stamp duty concerns me, to quote that there is “no”stamp duty for an investment means they have just included it somewhere else. No doubt there is confusion on all sides here.
Henry, if they have sent you contracts they should have all land and building details disclosed. The purchase packages that we send to our clients (bearing in mind we dont get involved with the mortgage side of things except referring who we use if people need one) are about an inch thick with building plans on the land, building inclusions, HIA build contract, land contract, forms for the client to fill in for any grants/bonuses from the government etc.
Do not ever sign just one part of the deal at a time. Make sure that when you do purchase (and i suggest you take your time) that the whole deal is in front of you at once. I would even suggest that you have an independent solicitor/lawyer look after the contracts before signing. not that the bill would even come close but if you paid them $8700 to do that it would be a better investment than paying JDL to rip you off.
Okay now I am confused again. In another post you mentioned that JDL were trying to sell you a 2 bed unit for $435k. Is this still the same property? if so, then there is no “split loan” for the property itself. Maybe a split loan for the deposit and balance but you cant buy a unit / townhouse with 2 separate contracts. When buying a unit, full stamp duty is applicable on the entire amount.
The way you just explained it in your last post, is a house and land package. However you will still be required to pay stamp duty on the value of the land purchase. No matter what they say, this is the law. Unless you are an eligible first home buyer in QLD who is going to move in to the property for the required period, no one is exempt from stamp duty in QLD.
So were they trying to sell you a house or a unit?
Also, the two contracts shouldn’t make two separate loan facilities. It is a basic construction loan where the funds to the builder will be drawn down as progress payments from the one loan.
No, Coomera is not a mining town, it is a long way from it. None of South East QLD is. I was purely trying to say that it is the mining regions that are in the midst of a long term boom. So unless you were purchasing in a mining region, you dont have to worry to much about rushing in as you wont miss out on any/much capital growth in South East QLD. If you were purchasing in a mining region, and you entered the market in 6 months time, prices would be significantly higher than they are today. Sorry if i confused you before on this.
Also if you buy a brand new property you will eligible for a $10,000 Govt. boost grant. It seems they have not factored this in. Some marketing firms are filling out the paperwork for their naive clients and keeping the funds themselves and then paying for some of the clients fees ie: stamp duty etc out of this. Thus telling people that they don’t have to pay stamp duty. This may or may not be the case here I wouldn’t know, but it has been happening unfortunately.