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- HJBH wrote:Hi guys,
saw this article
http://www.cqnews.com.au/story/2012/02/22/millionaire-buying-up-mining-town-bit-by-bit/
about a Sydney business man buying up houses in Dysart… was wondering if anyone knew who this guy is? and if he is still buying up after Norwich Park?
thanks for your help, this is a great resource for investors, well done!
Hi, the largest holding i can find on RP Data in one name, based in NSW shows 12 properties. Not to say there’s not more in other names. and FYI there’s no purchases made in that name in 2012. They nearly all appear to be highsets also.
Another company name owns 8 in Dysart, based in NSW. these were all purchased on 2006/07.
I hope this quenches your curiosity as to what some big movers in Dysart are doing.
Emerald QLD is providing great cashflow positive opportunities. buy price however is $400,000 – $500,000
Hi Deepak,
Terry Ryder has a book on this. check out hotspotting.com.au
schmoo wrote:Shaky times for mining??Contracts being cancelled for the China First coal mine – the biggest plan on the books.
What does this mean for Emerald, Alpha and surrounds?
Any thoughts?
It does not mean anything for the townships, the projects are still going ahead, and so are Palmers plans to sue for defamation of the SMH after the article was written.
michmich wrote:Hi Josh, my partner and I were about to purchase in Emerald however our insurance broker who deals in mining prop..around Qld advised us not to proceed with the purch. Insurance apparently is very high, and Emerald is extremely flood prone. Is this correct? Were you affected in the last floods? He did however say that he agreed that all the no’s def. stack up in Emerald making it a very attractive invest.
MichHi michmich,
Firstly what experience and knowledge does your insurance broker have about regional qld property investing to qualify to give you such advice? You can still get full insurance, in a flood prone are too, for under $1000. However even if this was $2000 it should not make a big difference to your decision to invest there.
All of the properties that I deal with and provide to my clients are brand new, so no, not flood affected.
It is really important to get quality, well informed advice when investing in an area that you may not know by an investor who is experienced in investing in those areas themselves.
Cheers
mattsta wrote:i read about the closure of a mine/s in Dysart, QLD. will that have a negative effect on property investments in Dysart, or do you think it's just a minor setback as there are other mines in the area that are still operational?There are many stories as to the future of this mine and the reasons for closure. Just to clarify, the mine is not closing because of property prices. They really don’t mean that much to them. I believe you will find this mine come back to operation in the VERY near future. some major contracts have still n been told they are going ahead within this mine, and there are also talks of a new company taking over.
Lets just wait and see. I would not rush to sell a house if you have one there. However if it is clear cut and the entire mine shuts with no transfer of employees in the area than yes it is a major setback, however I do not believe this will be the case.
Hi Chubs,
Suncorp are on embargo at present and should be back shortly. RACQ do insure there and for floods if you need it. One of my clients told me today they insured with CGU with full landlord and flood insurance for under $1000.
Good luck
py wrote:Hi Josh, What is your thoughts on Emerald for next 5 years or so especially it is located between Bowen basin and Gallile Basin?Hi PY,
Emerald has been and will continue to be a great place to invest, with continual rental increases over the last several years and capital growth to match, the town still has affordable housing to allow Emerald to grow further as a regional hub. I see Emerald as a very stable, long term investment mainly for capital growth and the extra rent is a good bonus. I have invested personally in Emerald for years and continue to today. I have also lived there so I have a lot of local knowledge which only helps my planning and investing there.
The impact of the Galile Basin has not even began for Emerald, It will boost the housing market gradually over the coming years I believe.
Kind Regards
Great news about comments from agents and residents in Moranbah. Key strategies, I cant see where I have mentioned to only invest in towns of 30,000 , it may be a typo or it has been misread for 3000. I have been investing in Emerald for a long time and it does not have 30,000 people either.
It is with greatly unfortunate to hear of the closure of Norwhich Park Mine near Dysart. We can only hope that another smaller company can find a way to make it a financially viable exercise and take it over, Just like Clive Palmer did with the Nickel refinery in Townsville a number of years ago. It looks like a number of the employees if not all will be redeployed in other mines from BMA, including Peak Downs near Moranbah which would also add pressure to the Moranbah Market.
Whilst I cant offer advise to people who have properties in Dysart, it does strengthen my argument of my comment above of investing in really small towns relying solely on a couple of mines.
A very important factor to note when investing in mining regions is that most of the towns you look at investing in have very small population (less than 30,000 people). couple this with development releases at different times of the year as they are not steady like we see in the capital cities, and projects which have construction phases and operational phases. many of these towns have very strong cycles. both the highs and lows are generally extremes.
It is important to look into the future as with any property investment and ask yourself where you think the town will be in 10 years. if you like what you foresee it to be, then it is most likely a good investment. the next thing to do is to find the right time in the market to buy. Have a look at what is in demand for rent in the town, is it new or old housing. units that may be more affordable or a grandiose house?
to relate this back to Moranbah, it is a very small town with a population of less than 10,000 people. there has been and will continue to be a large number of construction projects occur over the next 7 years in the mining industry. Moranbah has seen a lot of owner occupiers sell over the last 6 months to investors, this has occurred at the same time as one of the regions largest employers BMA has been going through some industrial action, only to have that escalate over the last 6 weeks with strikes etc.
To put this action into perspective for current and prospective property investors, this action has absolutely nothing to do with housing prices in Moranbah. the issue is far greater than that. There are approximately 20 demands from 3000 union represented employees, and the closes one has to housing in Moranbah is they want quality accommodation for themselves and their families. Not donga’s or 3 bed shacks. As a result of the action, BMA have not hired or continued with the re-engagement of contractors for many operation and construction projects until the dispute is resolved.
Recently as a part of more civil Enterprise Bargaining Agreements in Blackwater, a very positive result was had for property and the town where an increased subsidy scheme was implemented for people who buy in the area. whilst people think this outcome would be bad for property investing in Moranbah, you would be wrong. It is in everyone’s interest that Moranbah grows as a viable service hub for the region. If you want to invest in short term accommodation, buy a motel.
My view is that once the Enterprise Bargaining is over, there will be once gain another shift in both renting and buying in Moranbah. Companies like BMA need a town like Moranbah to be more than what it is, a motel town. the population demand is there and will continue to grow into the future. The way it is managed needs some re-thinking however. Personally, I find it exciting to see what a town like Moranbah will look like in 10 years. have a look at Port Headland and Karratha and how far they have come whilst maintaining high rents and property prices. Do you think they never had down times due to issues like these?
Demand at present is for modern accommodation which is relatively new and also affordable for what you get in Moranbah. If you purchased a house in the midst of these times above and it wasn’t on par with the current demands than needless to say you will unfortunately experience a mining town at its worst.
Believe it or not,I made a higher return on my investing in the first 18 months of the GFC in mining towns than any other time, while people who literally built right next door lost money. Investing in property is no different than anything else. You must assess supply and demand and look at how you will make the greatest, sustainable return for your investment. If you look at it as simply as “build it and they will come” then unfortunately you are going to see hard times, no matter where you invest.
SethBill wrote:Just check this morning from realestate.com.au that Blackwater 3 bedrooms house now cost about $600,000. I think it was up by $100,000 in the past 6 months. Can anyone make suggestion as to why Blackwater price went up so quickly? I think most of people in this post predicting it should be emerald in a hot seat instead of other mining town.Cheers,
BillHi Bill,
If you look property for property you would find that the increase has not been 20% +. A lot of discussion on this thread has been about investing in the mining “hubs” which offer diversity and risk mitigation in many senses. I didn’t think anyone was against growth in the towns like Blackwater, in fact, quite the opposite. We have had a good mixture of people with all different views and experiences helping people find different areas with different dynamics for investing. Hence a lot of talk on Emerald. All these mining regions have and will continue to see growth, it is just a matter of finding the right area for each person and their portfolio.
amandaj wrote:HiJust looking into Emerald and doing some costings etc. For those who have IPs in Emerald, who do you use for your landlord insurance?
Suncorp wont provide insurance based on the postcode (due to flood risk I guess), and NRMA gave a quote of over $3000 pa – obviously this would vary based on size of house, construction material etc but I only did a 3 bed /1 bath single story house.So, are all insurance companies going to be quoting huge amounts to insure in Emerald?
Thanks.
did the address flood? Suncorp insure our clients properties there
Qlds007 wrote:Sorry Erin but living, working and investing in Brisbane and SE Qld i still have to refute your statement as clearly inaccurate and untrue.I discuss deals with valuers all day long and i am sorry the facts dont back up that statement dispite throwing the odd out of context media comment into the mix.
You go ahead believing that and advising your investor clients accordingly and i will go ahead acting in my clients best interest and securing them investment properties that value at purchase price.
Cheers
Yours in Finance
I might put my two cents in here also if I may… whilst we deal with regional QLD mainly, we had not one deal come in below valuation last year. The claim that ALL values are below is false, regardless of a couple of articles you may past Erin.
In reality, if you are selling a house and land package also, there should be some instant equity (maybe not a lot) once construction has finished. That is if you are selling in areas that are growing in value.
rogerj wrote:Anyone have any advice on investing in mining boom areas such as Queensland compared to investment properties in America? From what I’ve read, the yields seem fairly attractive in both, yet the long term prospects of mining areas may be limited??Appreciate any advice
Hi Roger, the markets of the USA and the mining areas of QLD are completely different. One has growth drivers the other doesn’t. One has low unemployment, the other doesn’t. One has high disposable income, the other does not.
Can you elaborate on why you feel the prospects of mining areas in the long term may be limited?
adzlea wrote:schmoo [4 Posts]
Why would there be 67 properties for rent in Moranbah when there is supposed to be high demand for rental properties? The rental prices are still high.
Hi Schmoo
There are 67 houses for rent because the R/E doesn't take them off the website once taken, there are always multiple applications and there is a shortage here. Ring and speak to one of the R/E agents to get a better indication. Ask them how many are vacant? I bet its more like 7 if that
You would think if they get so much being on commission basis they could do their job!
All good points, you should also untick the “include surrounding suburbs” box which will drop it down to only 45 in Moranbah on realestate.com.au
sporty1 wrote:Hi all,Has anybody had any dealing with Trebe Constructions in Emerald?
If so how did you find the experience?
Sporty1Hi Sporty, Im not going to comment on individual builders here however I do know some of there packages arent as turn key as other builders, which is factored into the price obviously. So just make sure that you are happy with the level of inclusions and that it is what you are looking for or if not, be sure to ask prior to going to contract.
Shiny_Suit_Man wrote:Coal bed Methane work is starting to really take off again. New drilling rigs are coming in, there are supposed to be quite a few coming into the Surat/Bowen basin area. These rigs are normally crewed from places like Roma/Chinchilla, Toowoomba and surrounding areas. Not sure if anyone on here is really interested in that side of the work because most of the posts in here seem to be talking about the mines. There will be a sudden increase of workers and service companies for the rigs around these towns, so these towns going to need more company housing which means $$ for rent and housing shortages. Especially with the Airport upgrade in Roma almost complete, there will be more planes flying in and out. I think the only thing holding these places back is the councils, I've heard from locals that the council isn't taking too kindly to the expansion of some of these towns. Hope this helps, feedback is always welcome.The activity is good news however what needs to be assessed is how long the people will be at the places for to work out the longevity of the project and if its secure enough to invest $500k based on it for the long term
schmoo wrote:Hi and thank you for an interesting and informative thread!I'm a Sydney investor with a couple of blue chip negatively geared properties with steady long term capital growth projections. I've also a house in Melbourne and a house in the Gold Coast. All are long term investment strategies.
I'm in need of some CF+ additions to the portfolio so I'm starting to look at the regional Qld mining areas. The idea is more of a short term (5 yrs) strategy to generate some cashflow until the other properties start to come into their own. Short term capital growth is always a bonus.
Is it too late to enter into Moranbah, and will the huge proposed MAC Camp affect the rental demands and yields? Would Dysart be a better option? The houses are already overpriced there and I was quoted $850k approx for a regular 4X2X2 house. Also, which areas in the town are better to invest in? Does anyone have any reservations in entering into this at this time?
Thanks and looking forward to your feedback.
Hi Schmoo,
If your investing in these areas capital growth is a large factor to your investment. You can have cash flow and CG so why not take both if they’re on offer. I will post a blog on Moranbah shortly (see link below). The growth drivers there are huge, not the most diversified town or economy however still poised for more capital growth given what rental yields are doing.
how much cash flow you are after will depend on the town you look at. There are towns that will see good rental increases over the next few years also
seantg wrote:What about towns such as Blackwater and Emerald?Anybody keen on them? The rents are rising, don't know about the capital appreciation.
All thoughts welcomed.
Sean.
The capital appreciation has been great in these towns, some of the top in the country over the last 10 years and even last year alone. By studying the growth drivers capital growth is a massive part of what your investing in.