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Dizzy,
Have you thought of NRAS?
After 33 years of operation the BMA ran Gregory open cut mine has been put to maintenance mode and reduced its employee and contractor numbers accordingly. in 1997, the Crinum underground long wall operation started. Since then, the combined operation has seen production up to 5mtpa. However with flooding severely affecting BMA's open cut outputs, coupled with current commodity prices and continual union disputes, BMA have finally decided to make the move on the Gregory Crinum mine.
This move will see 55 FTE's and 245 contractors attempted to be re-deployed to other mining operations from BMA. We will have to wait and see what impact this has on the local market.
Put simply, Gregory had the second highest cost per ton to produce, behind Dysarts Norwich Park. What is my take on this? It will rattle a lot of investors and once again Emerald will go through a period of time where new housing starts are quite low. When union issues are resolved, commodity prices creep back up and flood affected mines can discharge their waste (hopefully this wet season), it will create a similar result to what we have just experienced. Not enough housing to cater for the rebound that always occurs in mining. This is not to mention the Alpha project whenever that starts. I still stand by the fact that those happy to experience the ups and downs will continue to be rewarding in the long run.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-10/bhp-shuts-gregory-open-cut-coal-mine/4252808?section=business
Further to this, Actions like these I believe should be likened to the past. Mining companies dislike labor governments and unions. Always, prior to an election will the magnify every pressure that the governments put on them in order to reduce them for the long run. 7 years ago the coal price was never even above $50 per ton, now it's slumped and sitting at $91 and the companies are saying they can't make money. This has been a result of government pressures and costs and the large companies will do whatever is possible to see that any government who threatens their viability is ousted.
There needs to be some serious belt tightening occur. Apart from the Australian Dollar, most of the cost factors could be managed to make coal mining a more viable option. One of the main problems is that the mining giants want everything to go full speed ahead while commodity prices are high as they want to get as much out of the ground as quickly as possible. However when prices come down, they are now exposed because they have been so flippant with costs and at the same time the governments have tried to wide the wave and increase red tape, taxes and fees. All to get to a point where all of a sudden we cant make money from $91 per ton when only 7 years ago we were profitable at $50.
Its greed from everyone that has made this get out of hand and for the longevity of the industry in this country it needs to managed.
of course, just my opinion
I think the Labor governments initiative the ULDA have done their job in doing this. Personally, I doubt an initiative like this would go through, i guess time will tell
Lee, best to see my thoughts via my blog for help on this subject. It has been topical for quite some time now
Legal, yes of course it is. If you're dead set against it you should write to the council about how it will affect your decisions. The $155 per year extra shouldn't send you broke though considering the rent you may be getting. Make your argument to council that is only going to increase rents as investors will want to pass it on.
My thoughts are that if it increases amenities and livability in a regional town than it could be seen as an investment? just a long term thought thats all.
Hi Andrew,
if you bought the house a number of years ago, and assuming you haven't accessed any equity that was there, I would look at renting it for break even point which shouldn't be much over $600 per week or so? That's if you can achieve that really. Its the hard part about a small town like Dysart, when it stops, it just stops!
Depending on the lot, you may have room for subdividing in half, then you can sell you house for much cheaper and sell the land and probably get out much easier. It is a long shot however i thought i would pose it.
Best of luck!
Josh
Tinsel777 wrote:I have read the beginning of this post & I wanted to ask Josh why he was targeting areas where it is proposed for Coal Seam Gas Mining?Has anyone on this thread even bothered to do any due diligence as to the detrimental effects of this process, not only to the environment (it poisons our very precious deep water table) but it is devastating lives in health issues (especially in children) also the poor farmers who have had their land stolen by these crooked corporations, aided & abetted by an equally corrupt government!!
Anyone with even a slight conscience should do their own research into this travesty that has been allowed into our country. A good place to start are these links:
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1642781/QA-Health-and-environmental-impacts-of-CSG (also take a good look at the comments at the end of this article).
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/the-question/is-coal-seam–gas-worth–the-risk-20110819-1j20j.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/29/us-poverty-environment-health_n_1836599.html (CSGM has been used in the USA much longer than in Australia, where devastating health conditions are now emerging (including birth defects & cancers) as well as water contamination.
http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2012/07/06/3540381.htm
We should be boycotting areas where these mines are being set up & the corporations who are responsible.
Hi Tinsell,
It may be worth reading other parts of this thread as there is simply information provided about the towns in regional Qld. In fact, from an economics perspective I actually advise not to invest in areas that have coal seam gas operations.
I am told there are some good pay rises in the new negotiations however still some unfavorable terms for the unions at this stage. it will be interesting to see the official outcome and resolution.
On another note, we finally have seen NRAS stock in Emerald. With a proposed market rent of $600 or so per week for the houses, this could be great for many middle income tenants in Emerald having access to new houses for $450 or so per week while the landlord receives approximately $190 per week tax free into heir pocket on top of this.
I believe this is a great aspect for a town like Emerald and will help keep many of the non mine workers in the town and help sustain and create diversity within the hub that it already is.
Emerald was always set to be the hub for any projects out west. its great news! also, as GVK are more involved in the end to end process of the coal than companies like BMA or RIO, a reliance on exponential commodity prices will most likely not be required for financial approval. which is always the next big hurdle for these projects! Emerald will see stock cater to the demand, but it most likely wont be on par in the long run and will no doubt, continue to deliver great rental yields with a very healthy capital growth for the future.
This is great news in the midst of some not so favorable media coverage. It once again shows that Emerald is not to be labeled a typical "mining town" as it is a service hub to a massive part of this state. The rents have come off as mentioned above, however sales are going great there still. It's great to see that people just "get it" when it comes to Emerald. Its about the growth and the property paying for itself.
We have had record sales on our House and Lands packages in Emerald lately. we had no stock for ages until recently so its perfect timing for the alpha news as rents are down a bit.
Josh
Aviator77 wrote:Hi Josh,I have had a look at Emerald recently and seen that the rental prices have dropped from the lofty heights of $950 per week and now look like $700-$750 (which by the way is still a good rental yield).
I understand those prices may not have been attainable for a long period of time but as I am looking to buy again I am treading cautiously, so keen on your feedback. Also do you have any exclusive stock available for me at around $460K for a 3-4 bedroom house and land?
Hi Aviator77
You are correct about Emerald. Rents have subdued from the $900/$950 per week they were earlier on in the year. Whilst that was an amazing rental yield, there were several factors causing it to be that high as you could imagine. Emerald is a market that is not immune to seasonal fluctuations. Whilst it is not a "one trick pony" where if one mine changes its employment pattern it severely affects the rent, it still has fluctuations. Just not as severe as the smaller towns.
As you are aware, BMA are still in negotiations with the unions. Whilst this is still occurring after nearly 2 years, they are not renewing third party contracts with suppliers. This is having a general affect across the entire Bowen Basin and Emerald is feeling some of the effects of this.
It is also important to understand the size of Emerald, with a population just under 18,000 people, it is not hard to have fluctuations that go up or down. The rents on a 4 bedroom house went from $650 per week to $800, then to $900 all within a few months. Now they are back to $700 or se per week. Whilst many investors would see this as the market coming off, arguably, they should not have got to $900 so easily. This was due to a combination of a number of contractors needing urgent accommodation in the town at the start of the year, along with very little vacant land being released last year. This really caused a bottleneck and caused companies to offer ridiculous amounts for rent. So rather than looking at the market unexpectedly coming down, I would say it is the other way around. Look at the market going unexpectedly up for a short period!
The underlying fundamentals for growth of Emerald are some of the best you will get in the country. As an ever growing hub for the Basins surrounding it, new shopping and lifestyle activities, new land estates being released etc, it is growing to become an ever more sustainable community right in the middle of Qld. As a 5 – 10 year investment, the outlook is absolutely amazing for the town.
Times like these are unfortunately inevitable and it is also unfortunate to see the sales market increase as it does based purely on investor speculation of rents increasing. It does damage to a small town like this. Investors follow each other too much and wont wait for the right opportunities. They always come. I cant say how many clients didn't want to wait for the packages we had available and jumped in to inflated priced stock purely based on a short term outlook on rental yields. If you take a long term view on your investments, then it shouldn't matter that you wait until the best opportunity arises. I have to say, I am still to hear a positive story from an investor that got in with the hype! These are long term markets.
In answer to your question, yes we do have quite a few more opportunities becoming available both now and in the long term and some of them are very good opportunities at that which is even more exciting. For years, emeralds rental yield at capital value has been 7 – 7.5%. This is sustainable and good for the community. with different housing sizes and types, this means that rents can be anywhere from $450 per week. Allowing a diverse range of people to live in the town and for it to operate sustainably. If you take the view that your investment in Emerald will be positively geared yet sustainable along with a very healthy growth rate over the years, it is undoubtedly a great place to invest.
Whilst this forum is not here for advertising, you are welcome to email me to assess opportunities.
Hi Everyone,
From being on the ground in all these areas I have provided an update for some key regional towns. The market activity of late including sales and rentals should show investors that by reading just media headlines or "town reports" with all the good news is not something to base your investment off. Investors have driven up many market values based on rents and expected capital growth caused by investor hype. Again, a reminder, this is not a sustainable way to invest or even to justify an investment. You need to categorize your risk profile and invest accordingly.
It is also becoming more and more important to surround yourself with a team of independent property professionals to complete your investment transaction in some of these towns.
Heres a link to the blog update. Again, thanks for reading and I trust it helps you all. http://www.ppiqldtour.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/regional-qld-market-update.html
Hi Jason,
Going out on a limb here, however if full circle means they do everything for you, in house, then it could cost you without you even knowing it in the short term. I haven’t heard of the company so i cant comment on them. Just be cautious of businesses that offer to do everything for you.
The best places you can start in regards to building wealth are:
1. Independent finance specialist (like Richard above, who can outline how much money you have and how you could use/leverage it safely for property)
2. Financial advisor that does not sell property however understands it (let me know if you would like to know of a good one). They can help you identify goals and risks associated with them.
3. If you are buying property, look for a property broker that will provide good priced opportunities for you. However, starting with the first two are crucial.There’s no straight answer to creating wealth, except you need to learn as much as you can and just go for it!
Cheers
Hi Lesley,
our Business brokers a lot of packages in Mackay on behalf of our clients, if you have any questions about Mackay on the forum im happy to assist where I can.
Cheers,
Hi Everyone,
Now that everyone should start recovering from the headache of end of financial year (I hope you all had a depreciation schedule!), I’ve updated my blog (see link below) with some comments about the widely publicised view of the mining boom being over.
Again, just my thoughts. I hope you all like it.
Thanks again for everyone’s continued support and for all of your recommendations to your friends about our company. We have had some great success in delivering some amazing investment properties and outcomes to those that used our brokerage services last financial year. We look forward to doing to all again, even better we hope!
Cheers,
Hi DanniK
I also posted this to your question on my thread…
Mackay is a great place to invest, however land prices have gone up considerably over the last 7 months which has seen H&L’s go up a bit overall, its time to shop for good value in Mackay, not just take any property as a good investment. The land sounds on value to me however as a stand alone block, I would say it is too small. The house package does not sound good value however, last week we put together a 450sqm block in Beaconsfield with a 190+ sqm house full rendered brick, full air-conditioning, and turn key for tenants (4x2x2) for $469,000. The land was $200,000. So the house was as much as yours yet bigger and probable better inclusions being rendered brick?
Contact me if you would like more details on my email address below.
Have a great day!
Hi DanniK
Mackay is a great place to invest, however land prices have gone up considerably over the last 7 months which has seen H&L’s go up a bit overall, its time to shop for good value in Mackay, not just take any property as a good investment. The land sounds on value to me however as a stand alone block, I would say it is too small. The house package does not sound good value however, last week we put together a 450sqm block in Beaconsfield with a 190+ sqm house full rendered brick, full air-conditioning, and turn key for tenants (4x2x2) for $469,000. The land was $200,000. So the house was as much as yours yet bigger and probable better inclusions being rendered brick?
Contact me if you want more details on my email address below.
Have a great day!
DanniK wrote:Hey Josh,I am looking at purchasing my second investment property. The first was bought in June 2010. It is a converted warehouse apartment in Chippendale, 2km from Sydney CBD. It is 50sqm, has a large full bathroom, a lovely leafy private courtyard and over 800sqm of a common landscaped rooftop with city skyline views. I plan to convert the 50sqm into a 1-bed (currently it is technically a studio) for instant equity. Other units that have done this have sold for 500K+.
The second purchase I am considering is a House & Land Package in Beaconsfield, Mackay. The location will be on Cnr Beaconsfield Road & Mansfield Drive. The land cost is 155K for 307sqm and the house, which will come fully tenant ready costs 284K. A total of 439K. The house will be 3-bed, 2.5-bath, double garage.
Construction will take part with Murphy Builders.
I was hoping for some feedback regarding:
-Location
-Price
-Building companyHas anyone used, heard about, or seen any of Murphy Builders products? What do you think about the location? And finally, price?
Any advise, feelings, thoughts is much appreciated, particularly as I am not familiar with the Mackay area.
Many thanks!
DanniK
Another point which I would like to add is high cash flow areas can, from experience, fluctuate with rental prices seasonally throughout the year. Many smart vendors will somehow value add for the short term and take advantage of seasonal fluctuations and get an amazing yield for their property. I quite often see that this yield has been, in some part, just good luck and actually doesn’t represent market value. It is so important to not JUST buy on yield as vendors to this to get a better price for their property.
New homes and units can be cash flow positive within many mining regions and larger towns. Our past year has seen every new home we sold instantly become CF+ for our clients by $100 – $150 per week at least.
You have to buy right, not based on the yields, make sure the property you look for represents market value and that any rental appraisals are independent and at market value also, not guaranteed yields from developers which sometimes are inflated.
I have seen some guaranteed rents in Gladstone at present for $1000 per week, local agents are appraising comparable properties at $700 approximately.
Hi Everyone,
for those that are following my blog, I have updated my opinion piece on Moranbah here…
http://ppiqldtour.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/fastest-growing-municipality-in-country.html