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    I have been walking into my local bank (both NAB and CBA) and ask for telegraphic transfer, they charges $28 a pop, so as long as you manage your finance so you aren’t transfering every week, you will be fine. They give you a proper receipt, so shouldn’t be much of a problem as long as you have the full name and the correct account number of the person you are transfering to.

    Now if I only work out how to transfer money back……

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    OK lets run through this step by step,

    You should be able to locate blue mountain city council by now, then click on “city development” then “environment plan”, you should reach this place:
    http://www.bmcc.nsw.gov.au/index.cfm?L1=1&L2=556&L3=564

    You can see there are a few plans available, you will have to read through them, the one seems to be current is 1991. While there are a couple of draft plans, 1997 and 2002. You will need to pay attention to all of those. The current plan affect what you can do now, however the draft plan could come into effect anytime, even when you are not expecting it to. Better speak to council and find out when they expect the draft plans to be adopted. Otherwise what maybe permitted in the current plan may be banned in the draft (soon to be adapted) plan.

    umm, just had a look at the 1991 plan, wasn’t that much help. let’s do a little bit more digging. I suppose country council is slighly different to city council.

    WOW.. just doing a bit of looking, it’s actually quite easy with blue mountain council, go to the Map search:
    http://www.bmcc.nsw.gov.au/bmccmap/parcel_search.cfm

    type in your address, vola, it gives you what is the zoning for the current LEP, and also show you what is proposed for teh draft LEP. It has a little discrpition on what that zone mean, not much information there, but I’m sure we can find out more about it in the LEP. Or else call the town planner.

    I think I’m too tire to keep reading for today, let me know if that help. Else let me know what the zoning as shown on the map search and I’ll take another look another day.

    Joseph

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    WOW

    That’s great prices, who’s the builder? do they do any work in Sydney? We just got DA for 3 villa, you think they would be interested in building them for that price in Sydney.

    Our current quoting rate for our clients for Sydney mid to hige rise apartments is $1500 to $2000 per square metre.. as usual, depends on level of finishes. Townhouses could be cheaper…

    Joseph

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    I think we need a bit more information before we can help you futher, at least let us know if it is in metro Sydney or not. Because from my own experience, I very rarely see council post their maps on the web. Not sure why they don’t do it, but they sure are helpful.

    If it’s in metro Sydney, if you let me know what council it is, I may be able to dig up the link on the web to send you to the right places to look at.

    If you are really confuse I think give the council a call and ask for the town planner, they are generally quite helpful.

    Oh almost forget that if you are in NSW, you should be able to ask the real estate agent for a copy of the contract, the most important document in there is the 194 certificate, it vary slightly from council to council but generally it will tell you what zone the property is in and also list what is permitted and what is prohibited.

    If all else fail, PM me and I’ll take a look at it in my spare time.

    Joseph

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    Make sure you check the zoning of the property, just because there are units around the corner and next door, doesn’t mean you can build another block of unit.

    We were in this situation, a developer brought a block of 5 flats. Because it was built so long ago, they figure that with the new planning rule (DCP), they can knock down those 5 flats and build something like 12flats in its place.

    To everyone’s shock horror, the council had “downgraded” the zoning of the land from “multi dwelling” to “single dwelling”. If they knock down the flat, they can only build a single house on it. DA got rejected, they went to the land and environment and lost as well. So they ended up doing renovation to the place. At the rate it’s going, plus all the cost went into design and court cases, i don’t think that developer is going to make a single cents from it [blink]

    Always check everything.

    My 2.2 cents, hope that help
    Joseph

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    I can only speak for NSW, it maybe different in other states.

    If you need to know what is permissible in a certain zone, DCP won’t do you any good. You will need to dig up the LEP (local environment plan), some council call it something different. For example Gosford council calls it planning ordinance or something like that.

    Once in the LEP, it will list what is permissible in a zone without consent such as fences, carport minor thing; what is permissible with consent (which is what you want to look at) and then finally what’s is prohibited (which you hope you don’t see what you want in that column). That will tell you what you can do in a certain zone.

    Generally 2(a) is for single dwelling and it get denser and by the time you hit 2(d) you can build units. Once again it’s different for each council. Once you got that information, you can dig up the DCP which would give you more specific information say you want to build unit, it may give you a different density between 2(c) and 2(e).

    Also some council are very very annoying, they don’t have the DCP and LEP on the net, such as Randwick, you actually need to go there and BUY it. Or you can pop into their local library and you can have a look there or the counter at the council itself.

    Also note that they don’t tell you what zoning it is for a certain address over the phone anymore, because someone had sued a council because the guy were given wrong zoning information over the phone.

    If all else fail, once you know what zone you are in, call the council and ask for a town planner, with any luck, you will get someone that’s reasonable helpful.

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    I can only speak for NSW, it maybe different in other states.

    If you need to know what is permissible in a certain zone, DCP won’t do you any good. You will need to dig up the LEP (local environment plan), some council call it something different. For example Gosford council calls it planning ordinance or something like that.

    Once in the LEP, it will list what is permissible in a zone without consent such as fences, carport minor thing; what is permissible with consent (which is what you want to look at) and then finally what’s is prohibited (which you hope you don’t see what you want in that column). That will tell you what you can do in a certain zone.

    Generally 2(a) is for single dwelling and it get denser and by the time you hit 2(d) you can build units. Once again it’s different for each council. Once you got that information, you can dig up the DCP which would give you more specific information say you want to build unit, it may give you a different density between 2(c) and 2(e).

    Also some council are very very annoying, they don’t have the DCP and LEP on the net, such as Randwick, you actually need to go there and BUY it. Or you can pop into their local library and you can have a look there or the counter at the council itself.

    Also note that they don’t tell you what zoning it is for a certain address over the phone anymore, because someone had sued a council because the guy were given wrong zoning information over the phone.

    If all else fail, once you know what zone you are in, call the council and ask for a town planner, with any luck, you will get someone that’s reasonable helpful.

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    I have one piece of advice, make sure your tender documents have maximum amount of information, espeically finishes and fixtures, leave no stone un-turn. Because the more detail you have, the less likely the builder would come to you later and ask you what kind of taps you want; but because it wasn’t included in the tender/contract set, and then the builder say they didn’t allow for it and charge you extra for it [angry2]

    Also another pointer is NEVER change anything after you sent out the tender!!! Why? Because it’s at the tender process the builder will keep the price down and compete with others. As soon as they got the contract, any little changes or details that were left out. You are left with a huge bill in variation.

    I’m currently looking after an addition and alteration to a block of flat, because there were a number of changes that went into the building, even thought those chages suppose to have saved money, it’s now costing us 50% more!!!! And there is nothing the QS can do about it, because the builder is producing all their receipts etc. That’s the price that the developer have to pay [confused2]

    My 2.2cents, hope that help.
    Joseph

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    Hi Dom,

    I am not sure how things are different from Qld than NSW, but on this side of the border, this is what I would do.

    First thing is to check with council, check out the zoning, whether you are allow to put anything but single-dwelling on your pot of land. Some may allow you to have duplex, some even villas or units. You also need to know the size and dimension of your land, because you may be able to sub-divide the land which is the cheapest way of developeing a piece of land with the smallest outlay. Because sub-dividing allow you to sell the lands as is without buiding anything on it. With dual-occupancy, villa etc, you have to actually bulid something on it.

    Getting back on track, after you check with council what you can do. Make sure you grab a copy of the planning control for the relavant development you want to put on, it would tell you about floor space ratio, building set back, density control, landscape area, maximum height, building envelope etc etc. From there you should be able to work out the numbers, how many units you can put on the land. If it get too complicated for you to work out the number, hire an architect who’s experienced in doing that, they would either charge a small fee or even do it for free as feasibility study. If you need a good architect in res development, drop me an e-mail, I know one that’s good at maximising the site.

    After that, you’ll need an architect to draw up some plans for you to be submitted into council. Wait a few months and arm with your approval, (depending the size of the development) you can either got to the bank and borrow money yourself or you may need to go into joint venture with someone who has the finance to build the whole thing. The other alternative is to sell the approved development as is, so that someone else carry the risk of building and selling. Of course you don’t make as much money from selling the approval, but it reduces the risk many times at a slowing market.

    If you do decide to build, I think your architect or builder should be able to advise you on where to proceed from there.

    Couple of things you’ll need to be aware of, construction cost and your target market. How much it would cost to build the development, I’ve seen many development fall over because the construction cost being blown out of budget. Or when the block of unit doesn’t achieve the pre-sale because what was designed and approved by council isn’t suitable for what the market is after.

    I’m sure there are other things that I’ve left out, someone else can fill in the gaps for you.

    My 2.2 cents (GST incl.)

    Joseph

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    I won’t say that I’m an expert in this, but I do know that in order for the developer to secure the loan to build the block of unit. They need to achieve a certain level of pre-sell (say 40%) being sold off the plan. I would imagine they would offer some kind of incentive for investor. And naturally in a rising market, if they sale of the plan at the current market price, by the time the building is completed in 18mths time, the value of the unit would had gone up… but at a stable market, I would say that they need to offer some kind of discount.

    Joseph

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