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Gazza I'm pretty inexperienced myself so I don't want to tell you something that sounds like wisdom when it's not but as nobody else has answered you yet I may as well get the ball rolling.
In relation to the FHOG, I looked into this in Tas a few years ago. Back then the rules were that you could buy an IP if it remains as an IP and you don't claim the FHOG for it. Down the track when you do buy a PPOR you can then claim the FHOG. Doing that though is counting on the fact that the rules will be the same at that time down the track when you do buy the PPOR. There is no guarantee that the rules won't have changed by that point. I just contacted the State Revenue Office in Tas and asked them about it. There were a few people there who gave me vague answers to the effect that it was not possible, so I kept contacting different people until I got a clear answer ie someone who clearly knew what they were talking about, cited the relevant legislation etc. I suggest you call the equivalent office in WA and ask them about it, and don't accept vague answers from the receptionist who thinks he knows what he's talking about. Some mortgage brokers may have a bit of an idea too.
At the end of the day though, not taking any stamp duty implications into account (which I don't know about anyway), it's only $7k, and a well chosen IP should make up for this.
There is a discussion somewhere on this forum of buying PPOR v renting and putting the money towards IPs. I can't find it now but it's on here so have a bit of a look. Basically though, most people agreed that renting and buying IPs is the way to go.
In regards to the question of buying in a trust/corporation setup is this to try to help you claim the FHOG? I don't know how it would affect you in that sense – take it up with the State Revenue Office. There are different tax rates for companies than for individuals, but there are also implications for asset protection. People often use a trust/corporation setup to protect their investments so that if someone breaks their neck on one property and sues the landlord for all he's worth, they can only actually get at the one property. If you're planning to build a big portfolio it is very smart to think about it from the beginning because it is much harder to change the structure later on (and can cost you money). If that's the way you're going though you really need to see professionals who are familiar with that area, ie a lawyer and an accountant who understand property investing. Perhaps some of our WA friends can give you a few leads.
Hope this helps, good luck.
Cheers for all your input Emma and everyone else. I've had a lot of listings sent through to me lately and have been trawling through Zillow and Trulia and I'm still seeing a lot of places, 3 or 4 bedrooms, built since about 1990, not too far out (eg Fulton county, College Park etc) for $30k-$50k. The yields look pretty good, $800 – $950 per month, they don't seem to have been trashed, some of them have been listed for 100s of days and there are plenty of places nearby for $70k – $100k. So what am I missing here? Just trying to get my head around the situation, obviously it's a bit of a challenge when I'm not on the ground there.
Secondly, this situation with the institutional buyers, hedge funds etc taking first pick of everything – is this happening right across the country? What about places like Kansas City or Charlotte. If Atlanta's dried up does anyone want to shed some light on other more fertile pastures?
Hi Pagey,
Have you spent much time around Strahan? It is a nice area but it's pretty remote and I can't say I've heard of people moving out that way to retire. The main thing going for it is tourism, but that's very seasonal and it does tend to die through winter. The weather out on the west coast can get pretty brutal too so I'm not sure that retirees would be drawn to it necessarily. Personally I'd be sticking a bit closer to the bigger towns, especially in Tasmania where the economy's struggling a bit as it is, and where prices are already pretty cheap anyway. That said I haven't had a good look into the rental market there so if you're researching it and finding out some good things about it, I could stand to be corrected.
Hi WI,
What sort of entity are you using in the US to hold your properties? LLC? If so I understand you have a choice between lodging a tax return as a company or as an individual, and the benefit of filing as a company is fewer tax returns but there are capital gains benefits if you file as an individual.
I am trying to prepare tax returns at the moment through US Tax Central who are Australian based. I bought a place in Atlanta with a friend so if we file as a partnership we each have to file individual tax returns (state and federal) and then the partnership has to as well. 6 tax returns for one year at a cost of about $1800 all up, before we actually pay tax. Just trying to work out if this is worth it for the sake of the capital gains tax concessions. Any wisdom appreciated.
Cheers.
Thanks for your input everyone. There’s a lot going on in the US and it doesn’t fill me with confidence. It seems to me the best way forward, if I want to try to find some undervalued gold nuggets in the US, is to hedge my bets by investing in Aus and the US simultaneously. I’d be interested also to hear from anybody who is investing in the US in the moment about what strategies you are using to minimise your risks here.
Thanks for your advice Nigel. I thought going for simpler cheaper properties was ideal rather than putting all your eggs in one basket. The places I was looking at were between $80,000 and $140,000. Isn't it preferable to buy two places for $100,000 rather than one place for $200,000. In the latter case, if you lose the tenant you lose your entire income compared to losing only half of your income in the first case?? I'm guessing though that there comes a point when the property and the rent are too cheap so that, as you said, there is a very small buffer and relatively small issues can wipe out your income.
Jeremy.
Thanks Duckster, your comment reflects the kinds of suspicions and concerns that I have too
Hi Michael,
I'll follow your adventure with a lot of interest. I'm Australian but I'm actually based in Florida at the moment earning USD and am keen to get into the market. Due to my circumstances with work I will not have the chance to physically inspect properties until April, but when that time comes I plan to get stuck into it pretty hard. I'm trying to get pre-approvals at the moment. If you're planning to be in the area again in April, or if anybody else will be, and you're interested in meeting up or combining our effort get in touch.
Regards,
Jeremy.
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