@terryw with the 20k instant ride off, for a business is a start move to funnel through rent to owns on lease, so then you get the depreciation, reduce income for business and get the returns from those leases?
Have you thought about this? View
and you both gave personal guarantees for the properties?
Would it not be as simple as getting a valuation, paying your partner out of the ownership he has in the company then you have sole ownership & have not had to restructure nor incur any major fees in the process?
Not a recommendation at all, just trying to work out between the vague information.
If it was this simple it would just be structuring the equity/cash he has and paying him out, buying his shares & potentially that would solve it?
Amendments to the NRAS Regulations to create protections for Investors
The Australian Government has legal arrangements only with approved participants and these legal arrangements do not extend to dealings that approved participants may enter into with third parties, such as individual investors, tenancy managers or business partners. Investors should undertake their own investigations and seek independent financial, legal and taxation advice to ensure that they are satisfied that investing in NRAS is the right investment for their individual circumstances.
In 17 November 2017, the Department implemented amendments to the NRAS regulations to increase the protections afforded to investors within the Scheme.
The amendments introduced a power for the Secretary of the Department of Social Services (or her Delegate) to transfer an allocation attached to an approved rental dwelling from one approved participant to another, if certain grounds exist. These grounds include, but are not limited to, instances where approved participants are not passing on the NRAS incentive to the NRAS investor (where there is a contractual arrangement to do so) within a reasonable time of receiving the incentive, or where the actions of an approved participant have contravened a consumer protection law in relation to the NRAS allocation. The transfer can be initiated by the Department or at the request of an investor.
In November 2018 the Regulations were further amended to strengthen investor protections within the Scheme and to improve administrative functions of the Department under the Scheme. For example, the Regulation amendments introduce three new grounds for transferring to a new approved participant and improve the Secretary’s information-gathering powers when conducting transfers.
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The following mandatory conditions must be met in order for an approved participant to receive an incentive in respect of an approved rental dwelling:
the dwelling must not have been lived in as a residence prior to the dwelling entering the Scheme, or the dwelling was unfit for anyone to live in and since the day it was deemed fit for living in, it has not been lived in as a residence between that day and the day the dwelling enters into the Scheme.
The dwelling must be tenanted by a tenant or tenants as prescribed by the Regulations
the rent charged must at all times during the year be at least 20% less than the market value rent for the dwelling;
the dwelling must not be vacant for longer than 26 weeks in an NRAS year or vacant longer than a continuous period of 26 weeks across two NRAS years;
the approved participant must lodge Statements of Compliance for the dwelling with the Department in accordance with Regulations;
each dwelling must comply with the landlord, tenancy, building and health and safety laws of the state or territory and local government area in which the dwelling is located;
the approved participant must comply with all special conditions;
the MRVs must:relate to the market value rent for the dwelling on a date within the permitted valuation period, and
specify the date to which the market value rent relates;
the approved participant must lodge MRVs for the first, fifth and eighth years of the incentive period which will apply as of the first day of the incentive period, and as of the first day of the fifth and eighth years of the incentive period, within the permitted valuation period; and
the permitted valuation period for the MRV begins 13 weeks before and ends 13 weeks after the day when the dwelling is first available for rent, or for the fifth and eighth years of the incentive period, 13 weeks either side of the anniversary of the first available for rent date.”
I do breakdowns with clients, you could if this was your only concern just as easily call them.
This reply was modified 4 years, 3 months ago by Jaxon. Reason: misspell
You can certainly do great today, tomorrow is obviously hard to forecast but if the world recovers & goes back to business as usual then yes there will be future growth.
One thing is – there has never been as much money in the world as of today.
Providing the population doesn’t do anything crazy, property will be a great financial asset.
So given to add on the breakdown provided by Terry.
1. if your goal is 250k PA passive income off your portfolio, is this just property? I will presume the plan is to use the revenue from your business of which there is excess & use this to grow your portfolio base further?
2. what should i do to reach my goal under the time frame?
Study if this is reasonable given the timeframe, portfolio, excess cashflow & start planning a path to achieve this goal
3. Do current market still got any 8% Commercial Property like Steve stated on the book as i am not familar with Commercial Property.
Yes, there are certainly commercial & residential properties that can achieve this yield & better.
Alex this is possible given the right strategy & free cashflow to reinvest again and again but it’s worth considering your tolerance to risk & how your planning to structure can be done a multitude of ways.
Wish you the best!
Kind regards
Jaxon Avery
Disclaimer: This is general information only & may not be right for your situation or circumstances.
I live on the gold coast & I would question is this strategy better than just buying a property ready to room let out?
have you done comparisions of cost time etc.
as an example, I have a client who purchased a property in Southport (3b townhouse)
converted garage to ensuited room.
gets $780+ rent as now its a 4b and rents to students/professionals etc
and the purchase was well under 400k
the main reason is I am really unsure if you will actually get approval for the above because what you are talking about is very different from typical approvals.
So usually the town planners work for the council mate, it’s a private certifier who usually puts the apps in for people who do not wish to submit themselves.
This link always to search the properties zoning & read on the limitations & scope of the zoning (great tool)
By the sounds, I imagine the issue is the pension is not enough>? which should be around $711+ per week for a couple?
Let’s assume you can’t find any way to sustain your current situation, then you incur lots of fees in the sale, you would grant yourself the possibility however of lowering expenses & creating a larger cash balance to draw an income from.
Although yes this would incur costs as an example it could leave you with
-no debt on your new home
-$869 per week income (full pension + draw down) or more depending on actual situation etc (this is general)
and the capacity to add value to your home (*like you said you may)
Now to clarify this is not taking into account your specific situation & it may be totally wrong for you.
Kind regards
Jaxon Avery
Disclaimer: This is general information only & may not be right for your situation or circumstances.
I deal exactly with this for clients as do other advisers, please understand the pro’s con’s & have a professional who helps you.
Agree with Richard in relation to the above answer
although the above is very simple, it alludes to some of the bigger questions surrounding your situation & that there may be multiple things that can be done to enhance & clarify multiple aspects of your situation your purchase etc.
All of this will help you better understand where you are, where you want to go & create a map to get there.
If you go through some of the success stories on here I am sure it will provide massive value!
Wish you all the best!
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so all I can say is this is multi-leveled complex in-depth question, It requires looking at so many different aspects & then more on top of that due to the exact area, type of property, type of purchase requirements etc.
If you go through the forums you will find lots of details on each aspect of this.
really worth reading a lot on property books + forums + speaking with property investors.
This will start to explain whats required etc
(please note all the above is general & is not specific advice at all)
So from my understanding previous incentives get paid when the build/purchase goes ahead and you wouldn’t be able to use for another property as they are usually part of the purchase (without refinancing as they usually paid directly to the builder, lender, etc)
but as per the Treasury Fact sheet states
“It is expected that the relevant State or Territory Revenue Office will distribute the $25,000 grant directly to
the applicant.”
Have you created criteria for your first investment property? do you understand what yeild/risk of areas etc?
Lots of really in depth valuable content on this site.
Wish you all the best *(all above in general & does not take account of your situation)
This reply was modified 4 years, 5 months ago by Jaxon. Reason: UPDATE
yeah so simply (it is not every person in that role)
but a lot of these styles of companies are just sales agents who just want to do a good job & generally may not even understand its firstly not in the best interest of the client comparatively. (to other options)
I honestly just feel the value most of these offerings generally are not worth it & not the returns/growth/etc discussed & they often use best-case scenarios & try get a cut every step of the way.
I don’t think this is good or bad its just what I have seen from several of these companies and given the right person they can find value above costs.
Yeah they have not been “efficient” for a business model that validates itself with how “efficient” it is.
But this is all a great sign I feel as its likely a company with the right structure may step in and lower the management fees & alter the industry somewhat. (although many have tried in real estate sales & failed) (Purplebricks being the prime example)
I think you do get what you pay for but ultimately some businesses are built to do what others simply cant at that price point, so keep an eye on this space as its very likely we see someone provide real value at a similar price (4-6%) and actually provide a good service. (time will tell if thats within a few year or 20-30 years)
It’s sad how many great presenters/sales agents are out there doing their part to backsteps Australians reach their financial goals by promoting them to reach their financial goals/great deals.
Mate, I am biased as a financial adviser as I understand the value that can be provided but I would say
-ever dollar saved is two dollars earnt
-every dollar investment is ten dollars earnt
Now the above is very broad and general but I can’t stress enough how much compounding, correct structuring & good advice can completely alter what you can achieve.
There is so many strategies that can assist to reach goals but understanding the pros & cons of each will better equipt you to understand what makes sense for you.
when I speak with clients one of the most important things is understanding your current financial position & then the end goal.
Once you can establish this & actually lay out an overview plan you can start to work on the next few steps to take to get closer to that end goal.
(once again, this is incredibly brief & and overview but if you understand why your paying for a seminar or buying a certain asset & the pros & cons of it & how it’s reaching your goals you’re going to be comparatively so far ahead of someone who just gets something because it seems like a good idea at the time)
I think one of the lessons from even entertaining such an idea is having people in your corner who have your interest at heart above just profit to explain the risks of such schemes. (although sometimes things appear valid & turn out not so)
I wish you the best mate & hope you find people who want to benefit from you succeeding not looking at profiting of a one client transaction.
Very interesting, I have been studying & speaking with another property management firm doing 3.9% as well.
They are called Yabonza & do not guarantee rent, I mean bsaed off the numbers I cannot see how “certainty” can make profits if they follow this model.
It literally doesn’t make any sense financially (from my very basic first review) unless they plan to massively scale their business & alter it later or something to grow revenue & build trust now or are doing something very different *(unlikely)
I mean it’s possible but unlikely.
Love to hear how you go!
This reply was modified 4 years, 5 months ago by Jaxon. Reason: misspell
1. Yes can be possible (may very expensive to break & not make sense), ask the lender your with & they should tell you the associated costs & ask the new lender?
2. each product (loan) can have different options/fees/etc as usually fully disclosed in its PRODUCT DISCLOSURE STATEMENT (PDS)
so you need to understand each product you are looking to get into.
All the questions you have are very subjective but I would say you should thoroughly review both potential options & the potential outcomes of both, the risk etc & that should give you a better idea.