@terryw with the 20k instant ride off, for a business is a start move to funnel through rent to owns on lease, so then you get the depreciation, reduce income for business and get the returns from those leases?
Have you thought about this? View
YES 100% if you break the rules of the contract you would very likely not be covered by the insurer.
In regards to renting it out as your PPOR, I suggest doing the right and ethical thing and telling them, loose ends bite your harder than they are worth.
1. What debt/equity level do forum members feel comfortable with?
Feel comfortable with is 0% debt haha, but I stay around 60/40ish I think more importantly is being prepared in a bad outcome, the ratio dosnt affect me as much as how to survive in a crash or area issue or etc, understanding how I would navigate through such.
2. What interest rate do you use in your calculations to determine if an investment makes the cut?
I look at current rates, then a 2% add on and a 5% on top, but to be honest APRA raising interest rates to high isnt really something I see happening soon or quickly, them making tighter lending rules I can see.
I would like to end by pointing out, its all risk, all you or anyone can do is their homework and understand how to midigate and minimize but some things are actually out of our control if we are not cash rich and trying to build a portfolio. there is risk.
I do not, So this requires a bit of trust with local Property managers, but remember if your giving them work and paying them, then this works out great as they want a easy to manage property.
make sure the local agents/manager go do a pre rental inspection and check every aspect of what would be required for it to be rented, as well as a list of any work and etc that would need to be done.
on top of that you get pest, building, engineering if required, anything that may be a concern, then insurances and your fairly safe.
I care about these numbers;
-ROI (I wouldnt do another deal under 7% I cant imagine)
-ROI of deposit verse positive cash flow, in my opinion this is the real ROI, so for e.g. the above deal was $29,000 for $3700 thats 12.75%, and also I dont add any tax or any other gains, just input verse output cash on first year.
-If its a build or fix up or simular, I get quotes for the work, plus estimate time frame and the cost for that time, repayments etc and calculate purchase price + all expenses verse the estimated valuation and rental income, there is no formula as you have to recalculate and each deals going to sit differently but once you kind of understand how to simplify and do it, then really easy, also add 10% idiot costs as a worst case, I like calculating everything on 3 settings, worst case, best case, then what I think it will actually be.
-I also calculate how much it would cost to rebuild, I find this such a useful process, If I am buying a 4b2b on 600m2 for $300,000 and to build a 4b2b cost $320,000 for the cheapest builder and it fits my other criteria I look on it differently (this is a really long part to explain but I hope this shows the build cost are important)
-Study Rental market
-Study recent sales for area
-study the area
-study local rates and fees
-Insurance costs
-Body corp numbers and issues with building that may cost owners big
I am sure there is a lot more I look at depending on each specific deal but these are the ones that come to mind at 11.30pm at night.
But bottom line the most important thing about any purchase is
Risk/value
I know that may seem simple and common knowledge but that is the most complex calculation, risk is such a broad and deep thing and the value is almost just as complex.
If you can know all the risk and all the value, then that person would be the king of investing.
Hope this helps? any questions to clarify I am more than happy to.
Mate all you just said is fair, I prefer to look at my choices stacked against best case outcomes. for e.g.
If I did a deal that made 100k over 6 months,
but In recollection I could of made 150k over that time in same area, I would like to know I made a good choice but it could of been better. not to regret just to learn.
Is this a bad deal, no not really, there are very few properties you can add for 86k, I mean the risk against reward is great. but in my opinion there are far better deals out there with far larger upsides.
e.g. SA around the city there are steals that are positive from day one, West brisbane is amazing and cant really go much lower and has +cash flow deals, then not to mention every other deal inbetween and the steal deals I see go through in WA.
If your happy with this deal and understand every aspect then go for it if your happy.
So there are generally clauses in a QLD rental agreement and on top of that landlord insurance would of covered the owners if they put it in place.
But first and last point, dont break leases and if you have to, midigate the risk, they could of advertised it or done a few things to try get out. but sounds like it resolved itself.
Ok, So I am an agent and investor as well as Financial Planner.
Generally you want to pay for Buying agents but its common practise (depends where though) for agents to split coms on deals.
so listing agent gets 60/40
buying agent 40/60
Novo, if I was you I would keep a steady eye on every aspect, its your money and you should be in the loop and make sure their looking after you.
If you want to have a chat and I can answer any more questions my number is 0431376130
I can also very likely source a deal that beats most buyers agents, if that is something you ever wanted.
Tom I hope I am the middle voice because you really need to hear what Corey said (In my opinion) then once you understand everything he said and all the risk and points, its your choice to make.
-There is very little captial growth in these styles of properties (but for 86k with a 220 rental return and a positive cash flow, does this matter really? if thats true)
-Limited control due to bc and fees that may rise largely without you having control
-loan rates will generally be slightly higher for this size loan
-Insurance that covers you, also landlord insurance is a good idea I think
So lets run the numbers
Purchase; $86,000
ROI; 220×52 / 86,000 = 13.3% return which is remarkable (but we have bc fees that are half of that)
Weekly Return after expenses; $90 (220-9%-110-30= $60 per week is my guess after all expenses (+mortgage)
Yearly Return after expenses; 90×52 =$4680 after expenses (not incl Mortgage)
(my guess) Yearly Return after expenses; 60×52= $3120 after expenses (not incl Mortgage)
Now your mortgage repayments are on a 70k loan around $90 a week
So you will actually be loosing money mate. or barley breaking even, if the Body corp fees were lower it might be worth doing IMO but I wouldnt do it personally due to crap return after expenses, low capital growth and a niche market (compared to most places)
I did a deal not long ago around this price bracket for $121,000 that earns me $72.30 a week after all expenses even a PandI loan (including everything) I would much prefer my deal than this one.
either way the world is backed by the US dollar, if you look at the top end of USA housing, its not been more profitable.
many people make insane cash on US real estate, find deals that are under valued, cash flow + and good growth areas and you just midigated a lot of risk.
Steven I think what you said is really a great view and shows how self reflective and honest you are, espically to yourself. Its good you want “balance”, that is so great to hear, I am the same in a lot of ways (even though everyones balance is different). I admire people who do far better than me, but I don’t choose the same sacrifies they do, But one thing regardless of if its myself or anyone, good advice is rarely free and its works out generally cheaper to know what your paying for.
In regards to the Vic property, I found that very quickly last night, its still on the market, you can offer $1 for it if you wanted, although I would assume the agent would laugh if not block your number.
The marked price in my eyes is there dream, my goal is to reshape their eyes to what I see it being worth and hoping if an agent is part of the deal they help me as much as their cleint.
Mate no comment on the property needing work, I havnt seen it, I have 0 idea but it looks very new and for the right price could be a good little buy (but once again I found this without any real effort).
I would like explain that I could source a deal and teach you for less than a deal you would “likely” find by yourself, Either way, once again wish you the best and happy to give advice when needed.
thats already 520k for $625-$640 a week.
now lets say you add a higher risk property to make it
640k, thats an extra 240 a week which makes it
640k for $870 a week = 7% return, also this would give you a good spread for brisbane growth, east melb growth with AMAZON and a smart property.
Now in saying this, this is still a fairly avarage and crappy deal. I did that very quickly and you got to understand a 1% difference per year on 500k is $5000, thats massive when you think about how that sets your portfolio up. I think I can offer something you just wont find, far better than the above deals that I did in a heartbeat.
Mate I would have my own advice and offers, but if you where happy to pay 1 or 2% on 500k, its only $10,000k through Binvest and fairly sure they have a really high level of success and help their clients get multiple properties in short time, all under market value and think all with positive or netural cash flow.
But in regards to having a chat about exactly what your after I have a fair amount of experience and am a qualifed RE Agent (buyer and selling agent), Mortgage broker and Financial Planner, Happy to have a chat and answer any questions or work something out if that is what you wanted.
So (A) was all I was refering to. there are exceptions to every rule mate, but generally New homes do not bear the same value, its just that simple.
In regards to your above propsal I would ponder this, for 610k you could massively diversify with even a greater return
-(200-250k) Rent 250-320 western brisbane (like Benny just said its such a big difference in price)
-(100-150k) Rent 180-250 Rural but business based suburbs in Oz
-(200-350k) Rent 250-450 A strageic purchase surrounding CBD
That would be around 600k with a ROI of 7% now that extra 1% is massive over a working life.
Look I am not saying this is the best choice, just one If I was you I would consider
also would consider exactly what Benny said “Gentrification” options, also would look at a renovation profit etc.
There are many paths and who is to say yours is not great/best, but Benny is on the money with the price difference from Sydney to melb to bris. I personally am not sold on what will happen, I think for me the Economy and the Financial system scares me and creates uncertainty to the stability of the future, the main thing is a believe Crypto Currencies will change everything, and the fact its a better way than the current financial system is scary because I have no idea how this all plays out.
Mate I just found out my buddy who has a company in brisbane has 2% home loans for large IP debt, its not a straight forward 2% but depending on your structure and IP debt it can work out incredibly favourable.
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