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    Why not do both?

    I've had a fair few clients purchase their first home and an IP shortly after. Here's an article I wrote for API magazine on the topic.

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    siewlin wrote:

    interest rate 5 % for loan  $170000 = $8500

    Hi Siewlin

    How are you funding the deposit/costs? Are you using equity or cash?

    I prefer to look at the entire cost of the deal to determine whether it's CF+ and generally try to use borrowed funds over cash for IP purchases so the entire purchase plus costs remains deductible.

    So in this instance, if the property was purchased for say $250k – and I allowed another $12k for costs (rough estimate) than I'd be basing my interest repayments on a loan of $262k which annually would be around $13.5k. So after ALL costs – I wouldn't consider this to be CF+ 

    Also include insurance, property management and maintenance.

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    Hi and welcome aboard.

    What size is the unit? 

    Have you taken into account all of the ongoing costs such as strata fees?

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    Yep, I also used AAMC – for both the cert IV and diploma. Have no complaints.

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    Hi Mikal

    The qualifications aren't that difficult to obtain and certainly don't make up for experience in the field. 

    One of the keys to success in this industry is aligning yourself with an excellent mentor.

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    Hi John

    A lot of people set-up expensive structures that aren't always necessary.

    Speak with a decent property related solicitor and accountant about this before you jump in – Terry W on this forum is a good option.

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    I had one carried out on an IP recently.

    I think if it's anything to do with gas or electricity and it's being advised by your PM that it should be done than I'd be inclined to do it – it's not something you want to risk.

    Ask the PM to point out specifically where it states that it's a requirement.

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    Agree with above – I wouldn't want to be renting a property where the landlord stops by to carry out some reno work.

    Best to wait until it's vacant and then carrying out the work. 

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    Hi John

    Welcome aboard.

    Not sure why it's costing thousands to restructure your finances to set you up to purchase your investments.

    For a finance point of view – it shouldn't cost thousands to set up. Unless it's an external refinance to another lender and your outgoing lender has extremely high exit fees and/or break costs.

    Where are these fees coming from? Are you looking to set up some sort of trust structure?

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    Hi Dilley

    You can turn a profit if it's in a rising market and it takes a while to complete. It's quite a gamble though.

    You need to take into account all the other costs associated with the purchase when working out your profit margin too – such as stamp duty, legal fees, etc. There's also CGT when selling.

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    Hi first timer

    Welcome aboard :-)

    The way we generally structure these types of scenarios is to tap into equity against the PPOR – and set it up as a separate loan (either an interest only loan or a line of credit). We then arrange a separate loan to cover the remaining balance for the IP.

    So it ends up looking like this.

    PPOR

    Loan 1: Current loan against PPOR

    Loan 2: Equity release against PPOR to cover deposit/costs on IP

    IP

    Loan 3: Separate loan to cover the remaining balance on IP

    Depending on your longer term goals, you might want to use the equity release from loan 2 above to stretch over multiple deposits. A decent broker will be able to run through some options for you.

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    bricman wrote:
    Hi all

    Have a problem with my tenants who up until now have been great people, looked after my IP very well, but have ALWAYS been behind on the rent. They have a large family and are self employed and get paid for their work in irregular patterns, hence sometimes they can be 8-10 weeks behind.

    Hi Ian

    It's time to treat it as a business. That sort of delay in rent payments is totally unacceptable. It's normal to empathise with people – but they are going to start dragging you down too. At the end of the day, you're the one responsible for making the repayments on the property.

    Hand it over to a PM and have no involvement in the management of the property is my advice.

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    You'd probably have to arrange a separate valuation for stamp duty purposes.

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    Hi Nathan

    Would be best to suss out your options with NAB because an external refinance with a loan that's in arrears probably won't be possible. Lenders want to see 3 to 6 month of the outgoing lenders mortgage statements to ensure good conduct. 

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    Hi Nathan

    What's the main purpose of the refinance?

    Do you need to refinance to another lender? Any reason why you can't revert to IO with your current lender?

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    Best off to stick with St George for the equity release given the fixed loan you already hold.

    Like Terry said, it needs to be set up as a second loan so you can distinguish your non-deductible PPOR debt from your deductible IP deposit.

    You could get away with an IO loan over a LOC and save a little bit of interest.

    Think carefully as to whether fixing the IP loan for a long duration will fit into your overall investment strategy. Five years is quite a long time – it's hard to effectively plan this far into the future. 

    ING's five year fixed is pretty sharp at the moment. However, they're a pain to access equity with so I'd avoid using them if this is something that you'll need to do in the future.

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    Hi Daniel

    I agree with Josh on this – the best person to seek advice from is your solicitor. Unfortunately most OTP contracts are water tight and very difficult to get out of – hopefully they can discover a way.

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    Josh Atherton wrote:
    Nathan, 

    it was done a lot in the mining towns where this difference was huge, buyers can see through it pretty easily by analysing the current rentals on the market and comparing them to what the property is receiving. if theres a difference, they will factor that in to their negotiations. 

     

    Yep – it was. A lot of lenders have put a cap on the rental yields that can be used for IPs in mining towns as well. This probably won't have an impact on the sale of the property but something worth mentioning.

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    1. Yes, it's possible and happens quite a lot. I just helped a first home buyer purchase her parents home for $100k less than market value. It's called a "favorable purchase" and the bank will go off the valuation of the property (rather than the purchase price) to determine the Loan to Value Ratio (LVR). So for the person that I just wrote a loan for – even though she had a small deposit, she was able to avoid paying any mortgage insurance because she was purchasing the property for $100k less than it was actually worth.

    2. lol – I'll leave that one to you! 

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