So I took her advice and put in the application for a private ruling in November 2010 but still awaiting answers. Anyone know how long it normally takes for the ATO to issue a private ruling from time of application?
Got to love dealing with bureaucracy – call them asap. The earlier you call the ATO in the morning the less time you have to wait listening to elevator music.
Thanks heaps guys for the reply’s, its good to get some hands on advice from other people playing the game. One last question I have, is there a rough set of guidelines for doing your due diligence? I know it includes doing your research on the area, owner occupiers vs. investments, people per household, infrastructure plans, but sure enough when doing research you will overlook something, possibly a big factor in returns, so is there a book or a site that recommends certain research and a list or the like?
Thanks again, your help is much appreciated.
Hi Scotty
Welcome to the forum.
You’re on the right track – and the book from Lomas that Blair mentioned is a good resource. If it helps, I’ve got a list of links that may be handy for carrying out research – http://www.passgo.com.au/property-data-websites
Get out there. Look at properties. Make a choice and move. It may not be the most wonderful property when you look back on it after years of investing but you're one up on the person who reads for 5 years waiting for the "perfect" property.
Catalyst makes a very good point. You don’t want to cop the dreaded “analysis paralysis” – where you spend too much time over analysing and looking for something that ticks every box instead of making your move into investing.
Is this company that you mention calling themselves a “brokers agent” by any chance? I’m just curious because there’s another interesting thread on the topic at present – it also involved an agent charging a $4k upfront fee for sourcing a loan.
Also to note that brokers not only get a trail commission for the life of the loan but they also get an upfront commission. Someone has calculated that on a $350,000 loan over 30 years, the broker gets over $13,000 in commission.
Extremely unlikely. Most loans are refinanced/paid out within a much shorter space of time. Also, in general, if a loan is refinanced/repaid within the first 18 months the lender will claw back some (if not all) of the brokers commission (something most people don’t realise).
JNM wrote:
Apart from going directly to banks yourself or using a broker, there is a third option. You can hire a borrower’s agent, in the same way you can hire a buyer’s agent to purchase a property. They charge you a fixed fee (usually around $4000) and they then search for the best loan for your situation AND every month they refund you the monthly commission that would have gone to them.
$4k upfront! I don’t think I need to say more. Yes, the rebated trail commission sounds enticing – but like Richard said, that’s going to take a long, long time to make up that initial $4k. Also, that diagram on the website is incorrect – the borrower doesn’t pay the brokers monthly trail.
JNM wrote:
I think this is the kind of situation where the loan person is really impartially working for you to get you the best loan for your situation because they are getting paid by you. Mortgage brokers get paid by the banks, usually through their the aggregator they are working for, so they could be influenced to push one particular lender over another.
This comment is an insulting generalisation. I don’t know of any broker that would suggest one product over another purely based on receiving more commission. Besides, if you looked at the commissions paid by lenders they don’t vary all that much (and if anything, they continue to be reduced). The ones that pay highest are the lenders dealing in the sub-prime space (impaired credit history, etc).
JNM wrote:
If I can afford it, I’d rather hire a borrower’s agent myself. there are not many around but I think this model of doing loan business will increase in the future. A good one that I came across is based on the gold coast – check it out at http://www.vanillaloans.com.au
Personally, I can’t see it working. If it does – I’ll become a “borrowers agent” tomorrow – I could only dream of getting a $4k upfront commission for writing a $400k loan. I also wouldn’t have to worry about the $4k being clawed back within the first 18 months of the loan.
I have had one real estate agent out to the property so far, she is well known in the area and has advised we go ahead with the floorboads but also said that it will sell as is. The lino is 10 years old and looks like wood floor boards, it looks like new, apart from one small patch near a door that is wearing.
Will the new floorboards result in a higher sale? Will the anticipated sale price justify the costs (both time and monetary) of laying the floorboards? If the lino looks similar (and seems new) then I’d be tempted to leave it. At the end of the day, it all comes down to the numbers.
There are no real right or wrong answers – just different strokes for different folks.
What are comparable 4 bedroom houses selling for in the area? How much would it cost to by an established 4 bedroom property in the area? What’s the rental demand like?
It will be negatively geared – however, you’ll be able to claim a fair bit of depreciation (as it’s a new dwelling). This spreadsheet will give you an idea of how much it will cost to hold each week – http://www.passgo.com.au/pass-go-investment-property-analysis-tool
There’s nothing wrong with negatively geared properties – providing they grow in value at a higher rate than what they cost to hold.
Renovating and selling can seem appealing – but when you factor in the high transaction costs of buying/selling property (stamp duty, legal fees, selling costs, capital gains tax), the idea might not seems as appealing. That’s not to say it doesn’t work – some people have done very well out of this strategy.
From my perspective, I spend the majority of my time with clients discussing loan structures. Working out the most cost effective and efficient way of setting up their finances in order for them to continue building their portfolios.
While interest rate is important, if you’re investing in property (and looking to purchase multiple IPs) it shouldn’t be the driving factor behind which loan to take out.
Also, something that hasn’t been mentioned is that some of the most competitive rates are actually only offered through lenders that operate via the broker channel.
The brokers trail does not impact upon the product you receive. If it were – they’d have to inform you of a conflict of interest.
Firstly, the primary aim of the game shouldn’t be to offset tax. The tax benefits associated with owning an investment property are nice – but should not be the main reason for investing.
In order to fund your purchase, you could do what Luke has mentioned. Top-up your loan with CBA – this will provide the 20% deposit plus purchasing costs. You would then organise a loan for the remaining 80%. This way, you’re keeping both properties seperate (ie. your PPOR is not securing your IP).
Are you looking to purchase an IP in the area that you live? If your brother finds something worth pursuing – he should simply ask the agent if it would be ok to quickly take you through it after work hours (there shouldn’t be a problem with this approach).
During the last 3 years there has been a 26% growth in house prices with an average annual over the last 10 years of 12.8%.
Wouldn't this therefore make it a good area to invest in as the numbers stack up very well? great capital growth, good rental yield.
Remembering of course that you are not going to be the one to live there. You will of course have building and landlord insurance as well for the unforeseen crap that might occur.
It could also possibly indicate that the area has made it’s run. The growth figures look impressive but the area is coming of a relatively low base – so even a small increase year to year can make the percentages look good.
I think property can make you rich in a short space of time. It does require some creativity thinking, energy and a higher degree of risk. However, in my opinion, property should be looked at as a long term investment and I agree with fWord’s comments above – starting young and letting time work it’s magic should result in a comfortable financial future.