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    Hi again dragaonflyz

    I don’t see a problem with 95% lends. Some people aren’t comfortable with them but they don’t personally bother me – I like to use as much of the banks money rather than my own. However, as mentioned above – they are scrutinized a lot more heavier.

    From your first couple of posts I read that you only had limited savings ($35k) so where are you getting the deposit for IP 2? Even on a 95% lend, IP 1 will swallow up a fair bit of your savings. Not leaving you with enough to cover the deposit/purchasing costs on IP 2.

    Actually, it makes me wonder how your broker was going to organise a preapproval for $780k when you only have $35k in the bank.

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    Hi again

    There’s nothing wrong with getting a pre-approval and I generally endorse the idea.

    However, in your situation, with a 95% loan currently being assessed, I wouldn’t rush out right now to grab a pre-approval.

    In general, a pre approval tell us that a) your credit history is ok and b) you can service the debt. However, the big thing that a pre-approval doesn’t tell us is whether the “mortgage insurer” is going to approve the loan.

    Seeings your current loan has progressed to “conditional” approval likely indicates that they’ve already carried out a check on your credit file and are happy with it.

    For that reason, I don’t think a pre-approval is going to tell you (or your broker) what you don’t already know – ie. your credit file is ok and you can service the debt. However, at the end of the day – a 95% lend on an IP is going to come down to the mortgage insurer.

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    Dragonflyz wrote:
    Hi…

    I have been watching, reading and learning from the forums for several weeks now. What a great community, I can’t get enough of the shared knowledge and experience I have tapped into here… thanks everyone for sharing.

    Yep, it’s an awesome place :)

    Dragonflyz wrote:
    My husband and I are new to IP purchasing and we are very excited.
    We would like some advice from those who have travelled and survived the journey so far.

    We are in the process of buying our first IP (bank as conditionally approved) with a 95% loan + LMI = $287k purchase price of $297k, less $16k being 5% deposit), now just waiting for the bank to value the property, should know within 2 or 3 business days apparently. Settlement is set for 1 July. We have a tenant in place already paying $295 pw.

    We have no PPOR. We have a very affordable ongoing rental situation whereby we pay only $215 pw.
    We have savings of approx $35k and have the ability/income to continue saving approx $2k per week (or to help support IPs).
    We have asked our broker to get the bank to agree to pre-approval of approx $780k. She is only concerned about IP1 for now… she said one step at a time, lets process IP1 first before we ask about further pre-approval… because we found IP1 before the pre-approval was given… ??
    We have asked for an offset account to be aligned with LP1. We are considering asking for LOC for LP1.

    OK – your broker should have a good understanding of your current financial situation and therefore know how much you could potentially borrow in the future. You mentioned that this loan is only conditional at present – for that reason, I would probably steer clear of getting a pre-approval right now (and wait until the loan settles). Remember – each pre-approval is another hit to the credit file. You don’t want to make any lenders nervous right now when there’s a 95% deal on the table (which are heavily scrutinized). My advice would be to settle IP 1 first.

    Dragonflyz wrote:
    This week we found IP2 house and land/off-the-plan priced at $500k with an expected rental of at least $600 pw. We have provided a holding deposit of $1000 while we get our finance ‘approved’.

    When is settlement expected for this property? Since it’s a house/land package it might be a while – therefore, you won’t receive “formal” approval from a bank until closer to the date (around 3 months before settlement).

    Dragonflyz wrote:
    So although I have a 100 questions I would love to ask, I will simply ask this… what do you think?
    Any advice?
    Are we in a decent situation that will allow the LOC with IP1 to help kick off LP2 if needed?
    Or are we kidding ourselves because we are only injecting 5% of the purchase price and have very little equity? Is this going to hold us back with the banks?

    It doesn’t sound like you have any equity you can tap into. If you’re taking out a 95% lend now – you have no equity to access. Unless you’ve purchased significantly under market value or you add a fair bit of value. You’ll only be able refinance at 90% LVR as well.

    Dragonflyz wrote:
    Additionally, we want to get LP3 ASAP… is our bank likely to approve another loan for 95% purchase price for a property of approx $500k with expected rental income of $650 pw?

    No one can answer that question without analysing your situation more closely. Even then – the decision comes down to the lovely credit assessors and mortgage insurers. If you’re thinking about taking out another high LVR loan soon, it might be an idea to avoid pre-approvals as you really want to keep your credit file tidy (too much activity on a 95% lend could have the deal knocked out when it’s submitted via credit scoring).

    Dragonflyz wrote:
    Ultimate plan is to step away from the work force and consider another lifestyle within 5 years… we are now thinking building a decent IP portfolio is the way help make this dream a reality.

    It’s certainly achievable – 5 years won’t be easy, but there are people who make it happen.

    Dragonflyz wrote:
    Thank you in advance for sharing your insights and knowledge… much appreciated.

    No worries – and I don’t mean to sound negative, just giving my honest insight.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Personally, I don’t see a problem with topping up a loan above 80% LVR (this is only my opinion – and not advice). It sure beats saving like crazy, it allows me to get into the market sooner and I’m using more of the banks money (instead of my own). Again, this isn’t everyone’s cup of tea and this sort of decision obviously comes down to the individuals own risk profile.

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    I’ve been in a similar situation and received the same advice – as long as the sheet wasn’t broken, then it should be fine.

    Cheers

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    Hi zgnilek

    Welcome to the forum.

    Congrats on purchasing your first home on a single income – it certainly isn’t an easy thing to do.

    You’re on the right track. Most first time investors tap into the equity in their home in order to fund the deposit and purchasing costs (stamp duty etc) on their investment property.

    In your circumstance, you could (depending on your current lender and their policy) top up your current loan up to 90% of the properties value, which would give you up to $70k to cover the deposit/purchasing costs on your first IP – some mortgage insurance will be payable since the loan is above 80% of the properties value (which can generally be added to the loan – so you don’t have to pay for it out of your own pocket).

    It’s important that you structure your loans correctly from the start so you avoid cross collaterising your home with your investment property and so you can also identify deductible debt (that used as the deposit/purchasing costs towards your IP) and non-deductible (your current home loan).

    Hope that helps – if you need anything else, just ask.

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    Jamie

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    Hi Rich

    Welcome to the forum.

    Your question regarding where to purchase outside of Brisbane is extremely broad. You’ll have to do some ground work – read up on forums like this, grab some books/magazines and begin educating yourself about what to look for when investing in a particular area.

    To qualify for the FHOG you usually have to live in the property for 6 months within the first year.

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    Hi Wade

    I’m having a little trouble understanding what you’re doing.

    The easiest way to think about the ideal structure (from a tax perspective) is to have your IP debt high and your PPOR debt low. This is an extremely general comment but might help shed some light on your situation.

    Therefore, if you’re looking to allocate funds to pay down a particular property – it’s your PPOR.

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    Totally agree with Terry – you shouldn’t pay off an IP debt if you have a PPOR debt.

    The rent received from your IP will be added to your taxable income – and because you’ll have no interest to claim (if you pay it off) then it will be positively geared by quite a bit (because you only have other expenses/depreciation to claim).

    Cheers

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    Are you the buyer or the seller? Either way, if exchange has occurred I’m sure you’ll have to compensate the other party in some way.

    Best to seek advice from your conveyancer/solicitor.

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    Jamie

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    mech81 wrote:
    Hi Jamie,

    thanks for your comments. Will definitely call a few property managers in the area. I was hoping for this property to be as minimally negatively geared as possible for a couple of years (almost paying for itself) as it is hard to get a positively geared property within capital cities and capital cities are where I'm more comfortable with

    With getting info of the property managers..
    Is it basically a just pick up the phone and "hi, I'm wondering how much rent this apartment at this address will be able to attract?
    Do the property managers tend to be straightforward in answering your questions? Is there a certain approach that one needs to have to get the answer?

    I'm a rather newbie in this department

    Thanks
    Dennis

    Hi Dennis

    I’d pick a couple that you’d be generally interested in having manage your property (unless you opt for self management) and let them know that you’re on the verge of purchasing a property within a particular area and you’re considering using their services. Generally, they’re happy to spare a few minutes to answer some questions.

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    Hi Mech

    Welcome to the forum.

    My thoughts on your questions are:

    1. The current tenants may be paying too much. If/when they vacate you might not be able to rent it out for the same amount. For that reason, it would be prudent to base your calculations on a lower rent.

    2. What is the particular demographic of the area? What do they demand? What are the vacancy rates? Perhaps call a couple of property managers/real estate agents within the area and ask them.

    3. No – if you’re looking for something that will pay for itself, then this particular one would need to attract a higher rent. You can play around with this tool to get an idea of how much it will cost you to hold each week – http://www.passgo.com.au/pass-go-investment-property-analysis-tool

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    Hassassin wrote:
    From what i understand, income tax may be payable on the rental income earned, however any mortgage repayments may then be tax deductible, because in effect your place becomes an investment property!

    Yes – it would just be treated the same as any investment property that’s why it’s important to track income and expenses.

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    The exact closing costs generally aren’t known until a day or two before settlement as there could be rates adjustments, etc that you may need to reimburse the seller for.

    However, the big ticket items which account for the majority of closing costs such as stamp duty, conveyancing, etc can be worked on well in advance. Particularly stamp duty – there’s heaps of calculators out there – here’s one http://www.passgo.com.au/calculators

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    zeusrumble wrote:
    Think i can afford it and id rather rent and use the rental income to get more capital up for purchasing another investment property
    just not sure who i contact. Obviously a real estate agent to handle the rental side of things but ither than that do
    i need to contact an accountant to see what taxbreaks i can claim or would i be best of contacting a financial planner

    Hi Zeus

    It’s pretty straight forward.

    As you’ve already mentioned, you can engage a real estate agent to take care of the management (they will charge a percentage of the rent – depending on the area it could be anywhere between 5% to 10%).

    Set-up a simple excel spreadsheet to track your income (rent) and expenditure (interest portion of loan repayments, property management fees, rates, landlord insurance, etc). There are a number of deductions you can claim – a quick google search should reveal some lists of deductible expenses. At the end of the financial year, take your spreadsheet to your accountant.

    I’d recommend you take out landlord insurance for the two years (a quick search on this forum will provide heaps of info on companies offering this service).

    It sounds like a good opportunity.

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    rz2010 wrote:
    I now plan to convert existing loan to offset before using the extra payments for deposit on second IP. I will set up the second IP loan with offset also (no cross-collateralisation between IPs). Also will make both loans IO.

    And yeah definitely shop around for best deals. I agree with you Terryw about CBA. Time to break up with the bank!

    Thanks everyone for their input.

    RZ

    I don’t mean to confuse matters even more but it’s probably unnecessary to set up an offset against your second IP. There would be no need to place funds in this offset whilst you have a non-deducitble PPOR debt (place your money in that offset instead).

    When shopping around – ensure that you’re not having an application lodged each time. This can wreak havoc on your credit file.

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    Hi rz2010

    Lenders don’t necessarily charge more for an offset account. However, a lot of the loans that come with an offset are part of pro packs which generally have an annual fee.

    That said, lenders like AMP offer a really competitive product with an offset account and don’t charge any ongoing fees.

    The banks are being very aggressive at present so if you suspect you’re not getting the best deal it’s an ideal time to look elsewhere.

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    sc541 wrote:
    Thanks for all your responses.

    I tried calling the strata manager but they said they cannot answer any of my questions. They can only answer questions from the sales agent with permission from the vendor. Is this correct?

    Yep, but the selling agent should be able to provide you with written authority to inspect the minutes, etc. There’s usually a small admin fee involved but it’s worth it.

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    rz2010 wrote:
    They rate discount of 0.7% was what I obtained 6 years ago and I expect you are right about being able to obtain a better one nowadays.

    Yep, I arranged 0.9% off for a client last week. If they don’t reduce your rate, there’s a couple of more competitive lenders that will happily take on new business and offer up to $1,000 to cover your exit fees from your current lender.

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    Hi propertybee

    You’ve have to call a few and ask. It might be a matter of them simply increasing the excess for any claims made during that period. One month doesn’t seem like a great deal of time (but I could be wrong).

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