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    Vivy wrote:
    Myself and my son are both high-income earners. Myself $110k pa and my son $97k pa. BUT … I don't have any savings, and my son has only been in his current job (mining) 3 months. Is it possible to get a loan without savings? I know there are alot of creative ideas out there … any suggestions. Or given our two incomes, could we somehow qualify for a bank loan? Anyone know an awesome mortgage broker in Melbourne? I've had analysis paralysis for too long and need to walk the walk, and by my first IP. Any help would be much appreciated.

    Hi Vivy

    If you've got equity in property you can use that.

    Otherwise, with those incomes, it shouldn't take too long to save a deposit.

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    It might be time to cross over to the dark side Terry :)

    I know how much you love apple products :)

    I post from the iPad with no dramas – accept the odd auotcorrect typo.

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    Hi Bec

    Richard Taylor (QLD 007) will be able to help with that one.

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    I always recommend James from House of Wealth for my Melbourne clients.

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    gibbo1 wrote:
    I think Jamie's first comment in this thread sums up a few people's views on the current broker…run from him

    Yep – it's clear they don't quite understand simple investment structures. 

    The good thing is that Franky seems to be a quick learner so I'm sure he/she would have worked this out by now.

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    Here's a copy and paste from somersoft

    Lender Change  and New SVR
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    ANZ -.37% 7.05%
    BOM -.41% 6.99%
    CBA -.40% 7.01%
    ING -.30% 7.02%
    NAB -.32% 6.99%
    Westpac -.40% 7.06%

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    Hi Franky

    Do a search on “cross collaterisation”

    This is what your current broker is trying to do to your loans.

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    PFrankyX wrote:
    Thanks for your comments, this is becoming clearer with each input. PPOR Loan 1 already has an offset set up against this loan. From a financial view Jamie, why would i consider my PPOR loan as I/O? For what benefit will this provide in the new or distant future, keeping in mind that i do plan on adding a new property/ies every 2 yrs (depending on growth)? If there's anything else you feel i need to know, please let me know. Thanks again

    Hi Franky

    For the reason Richard mentioned above your post – if you ever turn your PPOR into an IP, you wouldn't want to have paid down a large chunk of that nice deductible debt.

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    Hi Heath

    Yep – if an offset is going to be set-up against any of these, it's the first loan.

    I'd even go a step further and consider setting up loan 1 as IO as well.

    I've written about this structure here

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    PFrankyX wrote:
    So essentially what i am wanting to do is reduce as much of my PPOR P/I loan but reallocate the available equity to an investment loan. Therefore over time i consistently use my PPOR for equity and redraw and keep topping up the investment loan for a deposit on the next property??? But in reality, that investment / equity loan still uses my PPOR as security? Or, am i best off using any equitity in the IP to use as a deposit for the next property and create another equity loan against that property? Sorry if these questions may seem repetitive, but i just need to get it in my head before i commit to one product or the other.

    Hello again

    I think you just need to keep things simple.

    Going back to the original example with the three facilities, when it comes time to purchase another IP – you could either extend loan 2 or loan 3 (depending on where the equity is).

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    You can learn how to carry out most cosmetic renos via youtube – and it's free :)

    I wanted to have a go at tiling in the last IP and good old youtube provided step by step instructions – brilliant!

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    Hiya

    Welcome to the forum.

    Run from the first guy.

    You need to set-up a second interest only loan against your current PPOR loan, this will be used as the deposit/costs on your IP.

    You then set up a second interest only (stand alone) loan for the remaining portion (with the same or another lender – depends on where the best fit is for you).

    So in the end, you'll have three facilities.

    1. Current loan against PPOR
    2. IO equity release against PPOR (used for deposit/costs on IP)
    3. IO loan for IP

    There's a fair bit more to consider given your plan to purchase more – but this gives you a general idea of the initial structure.

    Hope that helps.

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    Firstinvestment24 wrote:
    Thanks again everyone for the advice, very benificial. I spoke with a morgatage broker last night and now more confused and apprehensive about this morgatage than ever. He told me a variable rate home loan is going to be better than a fixed rate, but this doesnt resonate with me considering the rates are so low at the moment. Well relativally, compared to the 18 or so % back in the 80's. I would not get a hold of the monthly repayments with that sort of rate. I am now thinking I might be better to throw my Savings into a term deposit and save hard to get my borrowing from the banks below 90% so I am elegible for an interest only loan.

    Otherwise Jac maybe I might look at somewhere like Geelong, start smaller and then use the equity on that property to look at purchasing others. This is what people are doing yeah? Turning 1 investment property into 10 using equity from capital growth on their 1st property?

    I guess that would be my long term goals………..I have a lot to learn :(

    Ahh geeze – did he explain why variable would be more appropriate for you over a fixed rate? I'm not saying his right or wrong – but some justification needs to be provided and should be based on your particular circumstances.

    Why do you think that you have to take out a 90% or less loan in order to obtain an interest only product? That's not right – IO loans can be taken out at any LVR up to 95% + LMI

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    No worries – those contacts above will be able to help then. You'll be able to get their details from a quick google search.

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    Excellent post from Derek above.

    It's amazing the number of new investors that get stung by this.

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    Firstinvestment24 wrote:
    Jamie and Ballerina – When you say current environment, what do you mean? Is it a bad or good time to buy in Melbourne? Is it wise to secure a fixed interest rate as the rates are low at the moment? I am speaking with a broker tonight and will hopefully get preapproval for a loan…….then I will continue scoping the local market. Thanks

    Hi again

    Please make sure that the broker you're seeing understands investment structures and your goals – that's paramount.

    I'm just a bit skeptical of off the plan properties at present. They certainly have their place – and when the market is moving they can provide a decent gain between exchange and settlement. However, in a stagnant market – there's a chance of the valuation not stacking up. Imagine if the banks valuation comes back lower than the price you've agreed to…..

    I don't want to sound negative – and I don't have the specifics on the deal at hand, but when I read off the plan and the small unit size….it caused alarm bells to ring.

    Don't rush – do some more research before jumping in.

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    Sorry, forgot to mention – Residex won't pick up those renos.

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    Hi c-man

    It's too broad a question. What constitutes a good deal to one investor won't always be considered a good deal by the next.

    Some start out with a nice chunk of equity and decent incomes to leverage off. Others start of on smaller incomes and no equity. The former might be on the hunt for a block of units – the latter might only be able to afford one of those units.

    Don't rely on anyone to tell you what a good investment looks like. This needs to be determined by you and involves carrying out your own due diligence and making decisions based on your own risk profile and the resources available.

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    Hi there

    Just because the lower price was agreed to doesn't necessarily mean you've landed a bad deal. Do you know what's motivating the vendor to sell? Maybe they're after a quick sale.

    If the building/pest report comes back with issues that need to be addressed then you could always request a discount on the initial offer given the amount of work required.

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    Hi there

    Welcome to the forum.

    Some good advice above.

    I'll keep my comment simple – off the plan and 42m2 in the current environment doesn't sound like a good investment to me.

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