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    Hi there

    You can only claim interest on the balance of the loan when it turns into an IP.  In this case, it looks like it's going to  be $15k – which isn't ideal.

    Here's an easy to understand article that I wrote last year on the topic.

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    Hi there

    Lenders generally look at the last 12 months so you should be ok from that perspective.

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    Hi Keiko

    Get in touch with the local council and get their advice in writing. Swimming pools = huge liability.

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    Hi Paul

    Welcome aboard.

    95% is the max – but you can have mortgage insurance added on top.

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    He’s not based in Melbourne and I’m not sure if he has anything to do with US purchases but I wouldn’t hesitate to use Terry W from this forum for any legal eagle stuff – he’s based in Syd.

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    Hi Troods

    Either the offer was low ball or the vendor has unrealistic expectations. Work out the max your willing to spend – if it’s more than what you’ve already offered, provide the revised offer with a time limit for a response. Don’t go straight to your max offer – allow a little wiggle room for negotiations.

    Also find out what’s motivating them to sell – sometimes you can incorporate other things into the offer such as long/short settlement, rent back, ect.

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    It should be ok given that it's all IP related so all should be deductible.

    I'd be a little concerned that your loan is cross collaterised with another property though – not the best way to structure loans, particularly if you plan on purchasing further investment properties.

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    kat13 wrote:
    Is it then better as we are setting up our refinance with an offset account to have our current home changed to interest only which will be covered by the rental?

    Hi Kat

    What's your primary reason behind renting? Is it to save money and/or enhance your borrowing capacity to purchase IPs?

    If so, you need to crunch the numbers on the costs of living in your PPOR (paying a mortgage with no rent coming in) vs paying rent elsewhere (but having rent coming for your former PPOR).

    Interest only with an offset is a good idea – it provides flexibility.

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    Terryw wrote:
    Thats ok as long as he doesn't catch the disease 'analysis paralysis'.

    I suspect Kris might have already copped a dose – 4 years is quite a while

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    Offers are treated differently depending on the state.

    For instance, if you make an offer subject to finance in QLD or WA – you'd probably need to show proof that the finance has been knocked back if you decide not to proceed.

    It's usually a different story in NSW or the ACT – offers aren't usually made via formal agreements.

    What happens if all three are accepted? There are a lot of people being effected here.

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    I thought Sydney's second airport was going to be in my backyard ;-)

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    Hi there

    OTP has some risks that need to be considered – the most important being the ability to finance the deal.

    Given that the lag time between "exchange" and "settlement" with OTP is quite long, you can't apply for finance until closer to the settlement date. At that point, if there's a change in your circumstances that prevent you from obtaining finance – you're in trouble. If the valuation comes back lower than purchase price – you're in trouble.

    OTP can work -and I've seen it work a lot in the ACT over the last few years when the market was consistently rising – investors in this market achieve decent returns for little outlay. Times are a bit different now (in my neck of the woods that is), there's an influx of development and prices have stagnatated a little. I can't speak for the OTP market in Brissy but I wouldn't be purchasing OTP in Canberra right now.

    Generally speaking, you do pay a premium for new, OTP stock and I wouldn't be keen on buying into an area with a lot of development. When supply outstrips demand – the price needs to come down.

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    Hiya Kris

    Always good to see another Canberran on the forum.

    1. Yes and yes
    2. No, it doesn't need to stay there for tax purposes. I wouldn't use "cash" for IP purposes though. Instead, I'd use your equity loan because the interest is deductible. Yes regarding the way interest is calculated.
    3. Yes re the $160k – I'm not sure if your current lender will allow such a large cash-out. They will question it's usage – and will want to see that the purpose (the purchase of IPs) will service on their in-house calculator (Heritage has one of the least generous borrowing capacity calcs).
    4. Yes
    5. Yes – and no to the offset accounts. You only need ONE offset account, set-up against your non-deductible $240k PPOR loan.

    Cheers

    Jamie

    KrisM wrote:
    Thanks Jamie, I was hoping you would be the first cab off the rank to lend some advice being a Canberra man like me. 

    What figures are required to determine borrowing capacity? Our combined income is 140K 

    Am I correct that this is what you mean;

    1.change current loan to IO (this would be a loan with residual of 240k so we would only be making repayment on interest amount on 240K) Is this right?

    2.Pay remaining (of what we currently pay as principal) into the offset (does this have to stay there for tax purposes or can it be used for renos to this property or personal use?) Also does the interest get calculated on the 240k minus what the balance of the offset is? I'm assuming yes but want to make sure.

    3. Apply for an (equity?) loan with the same lender against the equity in the property. would I be correct in saying that give the figures of assumed value of 500k with residual of 240k. 80% of total being 400k and difference to 240k being 160k. Taking this we "should have" access to a maximum of 160k equity? If this was the case would we be taking too much of a risk to pull out this amount  (in your opinion)

    4. use this equity loan as the deposit and costs facility for future IP's.
    5. apply for IO loans for balance of new IP's. Should these loans have offset to enable equity draw out or not?

    I have been thinking of approaching the purchases through a trust with a company as trustee (wife and I as directors) Would this be a wise way to approach things or could it have a detrimental effect on borrowing capacity?

    Does anybody know if Heritage is a lender that will conduct pre application valuations? Is this something I should organise? I assume this should be the first move to see where I stand exactly. 

    I really should have been asking these questions earlier.

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    Kris 

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    wezwaz wrote:
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    Hi Wes

    I'm a little lost with your post but if you're 100% sure your PPOR will never become an IP, then pay down the principle on your PPOR and borrow against it when you're ready to invest.

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    Jamie

    OK Jamie, let me have another go and in reference to Cameron's reply also…

    Currently I have a 15 year P&I loan for $330,000 – at least I did when I started it last Nov. Some principal has obviously been paid down.

    1. Right now I have no idea whether I will be there for more than 15 years or not. My idea after reading threads in this post was to dump $330,000 into my offset account to effectively give me ownership and be paying no interest, and to do this as quickly as possible. Unless I miss my guess, this then gives me options: if I stay there and believe at a later date that I won't be moving, then I can shut the loan out with the funds in my offset account, or if I decide to move, it becomes a rental that is tax effective.

    2. In the other scenario, if I complete my commitment and pay back P&I, I will own my PPOR, but I have NO options should I decide to move out. I will have "done my dough". I then have to start the process all over again in taking up another PPOR, do I not?

    It was stated in one of the earlier posts the bank wouldn't require me to close out the loan should I completely offset the principal, so that's what I'm working on. Surely scenario 1. gives me the best options. If not, what have I overlooked? Thanks.

    Wes.

    Hi Wes,

    Yep – you're on the money, scenario 1 would be the way to go, providing you have the discipline to continue making regular repayments into your offset account and avoid simply paying the minimum interest repayments.

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    Hi Kris

    Yikes – 4 years of reading and this is your first post!

    It looks like you've absorbed a lot of the info and have a sound understanding of how to structure the deal.

    If your current PPOR is going to become an IP down the track, then please convert to IO with an offset now. There's no point further reducing this future deductible debt – your basically throwing away money if you continue to pay down the principle. Instead, continue to make the "would be" principle repayments into the offset account – this enables you to achieve the same result in the short-term and maximise the tax benefits in the longer term.

    If you're planning on purchasing a few IPs early on, then I'd be inclined to tap into a large chunk of equity with your current lender (providing they allow for this – and it doesn't have a detrimental effect to your future borrowing capacity). This loan should be set up as a second facility (IO or LOC) and used exclusively for deposit/costs on your IPs.

    You would then set-up separate, stand alone loans for the remaining portion for each IP.

    At this point, lender selection is also important. I don't know what your borrowing capacity looks like but for new clients looking to purchase quite a few IPs, we generally start off with the least generous lenders (such as Heritage) and work our way up the line to the more generous lenders as serviceability becomes tighter.

    Hope this helps.

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    Hi Wes

    I'm a little lost with your post but if you're 100% sure your PPOR will never become an IP, then pay down the principle on your PPOR and borrow against it when you're ready to invest.

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    bella12 wrote:
    Thanks Jamie.  I am giving myself around 6 months target for my next PPOR.  I think the loan split you explained was what the broker proposed.  Thanks again.

    No worries – I hope it all works out.

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    Hiya

    When are you buying the next property?

    The current structure would be:

    Loan 1: Current loan converted to interest only
    Loan 2: Equity release for new PPOR

    Loan 1 will be deductible once your current property becomes an IP.

    Loan 2 won't be deductible because it's being used towards your new PPOR.

    If you didn't split the two loans out like this – it would be difficult to work out which portion of the interest on the loan is deductible and which isn't.

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    Hi Bella

    If your current property is going to turn into an IP then switching to an interest only with offset product is a good idea.

    If you are going to use the equity in your current property towards your next, then it's a good idea to access it now. I would set this equity release up as a second loan though – so you can distinguish your future tax deductible debt (current loan) from your future non-deductible debt (the equity release for the next PPOR).

    There will be costs involved in refinancing – these generally include the outgoing lenders exit fee (despite what many think – there is still usually an admin charge for leaving, it's the Deferred Establishment Fees (DEF) which have been abolished), there's minor govt. fees and there may also be upfront fees with the new lender. If a broker wrote your other loan, they will be receiving a commission claw back because you're closing down the loan after only two months. You will need to check whether you'll be liable for paying back this claw back – if so, they would have provided you with written notification (should be via a credit quote).

    There are offset products that don't incur an annual professional package charge – however, without knowing your particular situation, it's difficult to know whether they are suitable for you.

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    Hi there

    1. You can structure the finances in a way that avoids using your entire home as security for your investment property. It's unlikely the bank will structure it in this way for you – it's in their interest to simply cross collaterise the two properties.

    2. You don't ask them for a rate – they tell you what's on offer from their ONE bank. They can only advise on the products that they offer – they won't tell you that the bank down the road is offering a better deal. An independent broker who uses multiple lenders can advise on a number of products accross a number of lenders.

    3. You can arrange for an independent valuation.

    4. The selling agent generally provides permission for you to go through the body corp minutes. There's usually a small fee.

    Hope that helps.

    Jamie

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