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  • Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    It's hugely important to use a broker that walks the talk when it comes to property investing.

    You can tell the brokers/bankers that invest from the ones that don't have a clue. It's something that will become apparent within 2 minutes of speaking with them. You don't need to go through a list of 10 or 20 questions to find out. Call them, have a chat, complete their fact find or client analysis form and see what sort of advice they offer up.

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    Hi Shedin

    Probably time to consult an expert in structured lending – Richard who responded above is your man. I'm sure he'll be able to get you back on the right track. 

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    TheYoungUnprofessionals wrote:
    Cool thanks for that Jamie – sounds like a LOC is the way to go then…

    I will give our broker a try first – he certainly seems to know his stuff from earlier discussions – and I feel I'm well enough armed now with some ideas to run past him, and will be able to tell fairly quickly if he knows what he's doing or not.  If not, I will check our some other brokers and would be happy for recommendations at that point…

    Cheers!

    Sounds like a plan – let us know how you go.

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    Hi Alex

    Welcome aboard.

    Set up the loan as IO with an offset. When it's time to move onto your next PPOR, take the cash out of the offset and either use it towards your next PPOR or place it an offset that's attached to your new PPOR.

    When it comes time to purchase the next property – you may be able to use equity in your first property. This will all come down to the loan amount relative to the value of the property at the time and your banks policy on equity releases.

    If you're a terrible saver and will simply make the minimum interest repaymetns each month, then opt for P&I because you'll be forced to pay off something.

    Some folk will always insist that P&I is a must – it's about changing your mindset.

    Most important above all is to travel. IPs and wealth are great – but traveling while you're young beats everything!

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    Redraw gets messy – particularly if you're redrawing from a PPOR loan to fund an IP deposit/costs.

    Setting up a second split in the way of a LOC or an interest only loan works better.

    If you require the face to face service of a broker, I can recommend someone decent in Melbourne.

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    Hi David

    Buying your first property is always an exiciting time.

    What are your longer term plans with this property? Do you think it will ever be turned into an IP?

    Being on an investment property forum, I assume you're looking to get into purchasing investment properties in the future?

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    mickm007 wrote:

    How much of this is tax deductable if I make this property an IP. Further to that if I borrow another 50k to buy a caravan on the current loan bringing it to 450k is that tax deductable also? 

    Would be nice ;-)

    Like Derek said, only the funds linked to the actual property will become deductible.

    If you are seriously considering turning this into an IP in the future then it might be a good idea to convert the loan to IO sooner rather than later. It might also be a good idea to split out the original loan from the increases that you've carried out for consumer debt (your accountant will be thankful).

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    Hi there

    Welcome aboard.

    Your post is super long but here's some responses that seem to address most of it:

     – Avoid using cash for IPs, consider placing these funds back into your PPOR and reborrowing – this way, the entire IP debt becomes deductible. Some careful structuring needs to occur here.

     – Change current P&I loan against PPOR to IO now – there's no point paying down this debt further if it's going to become deductible in the future.

     – Generally speaking, if the IP is negatively geared then it's best to have ownership (or a larger percentage of) in the name of the higher income earner. However, IP's do tend to move towards CF+ over time as rents increase – so keep that in mind.

    If your current broker doesn't understand investment structures or what it is you're aiming to achieve, then it could be time to contact someone that deals with these scenarios daily. The reality is that most brokers/bankers don't have a clue – but that's not to say your current one doesn't. 

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    I use onepath for units/apartments and real insurance for houses – no issues to report with either.

    Cheers

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    danfresh wrote:

    Jamie – I hadn't even thought of that. How well do the tax deductions stack up? And what if i reside in the house for 10 years (just an example)? If I had to wait that long to start claiming the interest on the loan as a tax deduction would it still be a solid strategy? If I liked the house and wanted to stay in it for a while, and use equity in it to buy other IP's it would serve better to start out with P+I ?

    Hi Dan

    Don't worry – most people don't, and it's not usually a question that many broker/bankers ask their clients (although they should).

    If you were going to live in it for 10 years and then rent it out – that makes interest only with an offset even more important.

    Think about it – if it was set up as P&I for 10 years, that means you've spent 10 years paying down the principle.

    When it comes time to convert it to an IP, you would have paid down a massive chunk of the loan which has now become a deductible debt.

    By utilising an offset account, you can park any spare savings you have in there instead of paying down the principle.

    If you're a terrible saver and will only continue to make the minimum interest repayments and never place any savings into your offset (because it's being spent elsewhere) then P&I can be a better option because it's a forced savings method.

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    Todd Giles wrote:

    If you had a property that is currently cashflow positive (positively geared), can you utilize a depreciation schedule to further increase the cashflow?

    Yep.

    I personally haven't seen a deprecation schedule that hasn't paid for itself within the first year or two irrespective of the properties age so well worth it IMO.

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    I use google chrome and it runs nice and fast on the PC and laptop.

    Nice one Terry re Internet Explorer  – haha.

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    DWolfe wrote:
    Hi Alfresco,

    Just pay to get it done. Most managers can set up a yearly clean, add it to the maintenance etc.

    Good advice.

    Besides, it's a small price to pay for peace of mind.

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    Hi Dan

    Welcome aboard.

    Personally, I would look to use a smallish deposit on your first given that it's going to become an IP in the future. I'd also set up the loan as interest only with an offset – rather than P&I.

    There's a few reasons behind this.

    Firstly, when it becomes an investment property, the interest on the loan will become a tax deduction. Therefore, by using a smaller deposit you have a larger loan to claim against. I wrote an article for API mag on this topic recently – it's available here.

    Secondly, by setting the loan up as interest only now, you avoid paying down the principle (which is going to be deductible in the future).

    Thirdly, by using a smaller deposit, you may be able to retain more of your own cash which can be used towards a PPOR purchase in the future whilst being kept as a contingency fund now. It could also be used to purchase more IPs  – but I'd look to borrow the funds first before using your savings.

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    Depending on the state you may be required to pay land tax so you'll need to advise the state revenue office that its a rental.

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    Hiya

    welcome aboard.

    I wouldn't use the cash in your offset to fund your IP purchases, instead – you could release equity against your PPOR to cover the deposit and purchase costs for each IP. This way, the entire IP debt will be deductible and you get to retain your cash as a contingency fund.

    You really need to get a decent accountant and broker on board.

    You're starting off from a good base in terms of equity and serviceability (from the info provided) so some careful structuring early on is essential.

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    Too small and doesn't seem like the ideal location – next to a maccers.

    It sounds like it will be a difficult property to sell in the future which indicates CG prob won't be the best.

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    PLC wrote:
     as long as they stick a decent interest rate in front on them, the client is happy without fear of what may happen in the long term as they don't know better. 

    That's part of the issue.

    Some people are so driven by the "lower rate" that they lose focus of the bigger picture.

    A $20 a month saving because of a 0.1% discount now can end up costing tens of thousands in missed opportunity later on.

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    Qlds007 wrote:

    Settlement was next week and he phoned yesterday to say that he has decided to stay with CBA as they have now offered him a further 0.1% discount and a promise that the loans are now miracliously uncrossed.  Trouble is nothing has changed and he just can't see it.

    That's frustrating. 

    So in the end, the client has decided to opt for a minor rate discount but a sub optimal loan structure which is no doubt going to cause them more dramas in the future – both in costs and lost opportunity because they'll end up in a position where they can't borrow more.

    Makes no sense to me – and it baffles me what lenders can get away with saying to clients. Had another major tell a client the other day that "there's absolutely nothing wrong with crossing your loans – but if you stick with us for your next one, we will make sure that we don't cross it"

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    Hi investor_today

    Welcome aboard :-)

    It's possible to have the two properties with the same lender without them being cross collaterised.

    It just all comes down to how the banker/broker structures the loans.

    Most bankers (and brokers for that matter) will simply cross up your loans because a) they don't know any better and b) it's quick and easy to do. This is rarely in your best interest.

    If you're worried about your structure not being set up properly then you should seek expert assistance from a broker/banker that deals with investors and know a thing or two about setting up finance structures for investors.

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