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  • Profile photo of jadisflowerjadisflower
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    I’m geelong born and bred so if you ever need advice on suburbs and such, I’m your girl! I’ve been interested in property for a number of years but being only 18 and just starting uni, I’m putting of my investing dreams until i have enough knowledge and capital. If you need further advice than what I give here, send me an email.

    If looking to rent out, avoid suburbs like Corio; Norlane and Whittington. I’ve lived in Corio and have friends in Norlane and they are the lower-class areas where there is a greater chance of your property being trashed. However in these areas you can get some really cheap properties – my mum has managed to get four below $100’000 but it usually involves knowing the owner and making an offer when they are desperate, such as during a divorce or if someones parent dies.

    Geelong West is recommended. The houses are small but its within walking distance of the CBD and is rather close to the waterfront uni. There is another campus out at Waurn Ponds. I’m a student there and you can advertise (i think for free) on the student association database which could help you reach more people.

    In terms of capital gains the markets sort of flat – i think prices have declined in some areas. Prices are rising in the corio and norlane areas though, which is odd, and you can make an okayish profit by renovating and reselling however its a lot of hard work for small gain.

    Grovedale is a place I’ve been eyeing off. Its got pretty good infrastructure and the prices are between $200-$300’000. It might seem like a lot but these are rented out at good (by my standard) rates. Its 10-15 minutes from the surf beach, yet close to the shopping centre and the uni. Its also close enough to town. Look up maps online. Belmont appears to be a good area as well.

    Theres out on the peninsula as well – places like Ocean Grove and Drysdale might be worth looking at.

    Some Geelong-ians may disagree but im discussing this from a tenants point of view. I hear at school and uni of peoples renting stories and have also been researching pretty heavily.

    Pretty much a cheaper house usually equals cheaper rent so do your research :) happy hunting.

    Profile photo of jadisflowerjadisflower
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    One of the differences between our situations is I don’t particularly want to work in the finance industry. I’ve thought about trying to get employment in real estate but as yet I don’t have a car (its a 2 year goal as I also need my Learners and Probationary licence first, which is expensive).

    While this partly detracts from the property investing, my long term goal is becomming and author/photographer. I’ve researched the newspapers in my region and the only ones I could work for don’t pay anything for articles, although I’d prefer the experience. I live in Geelong, an hour from melbourne. Other than uni theres a TAFE centre here but the courses I’ve looked at wouldn’t help.

    Going with the flow is typical, but its the only option that will allow me to acheive all three of my goals, that is, to earn income from my writing, photography and property investing. I’m hoping to take advantage of what uni offers however, unlike most other students, in terms of personal development and things that can help me further my skill base. One thing I like is people skills which would limit how successfully I could work in a job. I’m hoping uni will help me get over that.

    I’m trying to be smart with my part time employment and get a job in an industry relevant to the one i want to work in, such as a book store.

    I just finished reading ‘rich dad, poor dad’ where he recommended tying up all assets under a corporation, is that possible here? Because I could use the assets from property investing (although this is majorly long term) to help fund my writing/photography work. Not as a hobby , though, but with the potential of earning income off it. It sounded ok in the book but i was wondering if ti could apply here?

    My apologies for tying this up so abruptly but im going to help my parents renovate their property (hehe, I get $20 a day but im more looking at the experience)

    Profile photo of jadisflowerjadisflower
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    Another possibility is spending a bit more and getting a house with two living areas, and turning that living area into a bedroom or, depending on the size, two. I’m a student renter and I’d much prefer to have a living area to veg in once the studying gets too much. Instead of having it as a lounge room, have it as sort of a common room at boarding houses and possibilty provide some appliances.
    In doing that, you could charge more rent.

    Some students are from better off families and aren’t really looking to sacrifice their standard of living if they need to move interstate for study. This might be a good market to target as all the responsibilities of independent living are initially a shock, which could impact on studies. They’d be willing to pay that extra to avoid responsibility. Yet with computers on all day, five people showering and cooking; the bills could get pretty high. Another benefit of targeting students is that advertising can be free through there website and you could possibly get references off staff there, reducing the risk of false references.

    I’ve read about a telstra phone where users get have their own pin number or something, it might be something worth checking out to lower the outgoings.

    Ask your friend to go into more detail as most people are only too friendly to help. Get him to show the mechanics of how it works, the finances and risk involved, and the legal side. For instance, if theres no lounge room pets would be out of the question.

    I’m bringing my advice from the perspective not of an investor, but the person who would be interested in something your offering. Its hard to find good student accomodation and you could find a little niche market if you chose the right area.

    Profile photo of jadisflowerjadisflower
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    I could source properties in the Geelong area for you online and possibly PM you if I find a deal I consider that might be interesting. I live in the area and am time rich and wouldn’t ask for any money out of the deal, just for the priveledge of discussing your experiences.

    I doubt you’d be interested but if you are, give me a holler (preferably via PM or email)

    Profile photo of jadisflowerjadisflower
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    In response to Matt, part time uni isn’t an option. You can’t teach without a licence and to do that, you need a 4 year degree, although im doing it slightly differently by completing a bachelor of arts and then getting a diploma of education. Takes the same time but leaves more room.

    Most uni related expenses probably wouldn’t be tax deductable, such as transport. I can delay the fees (not preferable, but it leaves more money to play with) until i can afford to pay off the debt. A car would set me back a couple of grand and it may be hard investing without one (as you need to travel to the properties, real estate agents, etc.) Tax is definitely something I’m going to need to educate myself on though, both in the long and short term. Any book/website recommendations? (keeping in mind I’ve never had to do a tax return) I’ll definitely be doing more research on this done the track but currently i’m research generalised property books so I understand things before i read the complicated ones.

    I’ve also thought about buying and subletting. I have enough furniture to deck out a house and one of the areas I’ve been focusing on during my research is right near the uni, which I believe has the potential to appreciate a lot. It would be pretty easy to find tenants willing to sublet as the area is in high demand.

    It would be smarter, but wouldn’t the income earnt by subletting be considered as income, despite going to pay off the mortgage? Again, can affect centrelink (unless i can find some passive income streams, relying on them is inevitable) and also there would be some difficulties in raising the deposit and getting the loan. My parents wouldn’t go guarantor and banks wouldn’t lend money to me. I’ve done the research, trust me!

    In going along with the subletting, I can do minor renovations (as I learn more about it) to increase the price and the equity I can access if i chose to sell. Also, after reading Steves book, I’m slightly hesitant about buying a property to live in as it limits the amount of equity you can access… although in the short term, that probably isn’t that much of a problem

    On a side note, I don’t fully understand the structure of uni. Hypothetically, despite majoring in an arts subject can i do a unit or several from a different faculty? I just finished ‘rich dad, poor dad’ and was thinking that taking a few units from the commerce faculty couldn’t go astray taxes/accounting is something i know little about. In going along with the subletting, I can do minor renovations (as I learn more about it) to increase the price and the equity I can access if i chose to sell. Also, after reading Steves book, I’m slightly hesitant about buying a property to live in as it limits the amount of equity you can access… although in the short term, that probably isn’t that much of a problem. Renting is cheaper and would probably give you more money to work with. Also after sharehousing for 8 months, its not something i’m overly fond of doing again (im social phobic)

    For number crunching purposes, the area i’m looking at is grovedale/belmont in Victoria. A house is around 220’000 but talking down and finding good deals, you could probably reduce the price to $180’000. This is typical 3 bedroom home, not the most prettiest but with potential for renovation. I could get cheaper by going slightly further away but I’m looking at the infrastructure: those areas have plenty of shops and buses to get to uni. As I live in the area I’m able to suss out the minor things :) A one befroom unit can be bought for $120’000 if your lucky and a two bedroom for $160’000. While realestate.com.au mightn’t have these prices, when looking for a place to rent i always checked out the places for sale.

    Page 4 of this document has information about calculating the rates: http://www.geelongaustralia.com.au/library/pdf/5146/09.pdf . My apologies in not being able to understand it. However, I asked my parents (who have bought 4 properties in my area) and they said to expect $700-800 in rates. With insurance, I could probably go through a mortgage broker and my dad pays $350ish for home AND contents.

    I know the numbers aren’t good but they let you know the average for the area. It would be possible to find cheaper homes (i’ve heard of doing it through deceased estates and such) but that information wouldn’t be able to be obtained online.

    Thanks for the recommendations, while they might not apply now they could come in handy later.

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    My dad kept it a secret and I got told at one stage ( a few years ago) what he was earning but not so much since.

    I’m 18 and moved out 6 months ago and I’d recommend all parents try to involve their kids in finances, including how much they earn. It prepares us for independence and good financial management skills to see where the money is going, to see the standard of living that comes with a certain pay bracket (especially if living at a lower standard than you could due to investing a lot of money into property or shares)

    I can understand its a personal thing but hey, I’ve been able to find out what people earn by looking at company/industry websites.

    Once of the best finance education experiences I’ve had is when I asked one of my teachers about salary packaging. Most teachers don’t like to discuss money, but this one reached into his wallet and pulled out his paycheck and just explained everything to me. That was far more beneficial than just reading the information online, as not many people would discuss it. My dad was unable to show me the spreadsheet he’d worked out as it divulged his income.

    But a warning: kids can have contests to see whose parents are better and this could mean your childs friends could pass on information to their parents, something you may be uncomfortable with. Its all dependent on age, maturity, and how much you want to keep private, really.

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    I see where your coming from but I’m on centrelink benefits and, with part-time work, the maximum amount I could earn is $15’000 a year – probably the lowest I could offer as a deposit. I understand taking risks is an element of investing however financially, I have a lot to risk. It might not be a loss of money but I’d have to sell what limited possessions I have if something went wrong.

    Also I’m not sure how the income earned would affect my centrelink benefits, but its difficult enough living on what I’m earning now (without work, less than $10’000 a year) without it being impacted. I rely on this to cover living and education costs and sacrificing any of the money could really affect uni life.

    I’ve thought about an investment partner but I’ve read posts on this forum and they’d definite prefer someone with proven success and prior experience as opposed to someone who has read a few books.

    Due to my financial position, it might take some time to educate myself as seminars with the information I’m after can cost upwards of $500 which can take months to save. Its hard to put what you’ve learnt into action when you don’t have the funds to pay for the learning, lol. I see the 4 years as enough time to save for, and attend possibly 2 seminars a year as well as stock up on household items that would mean I could live in reasonable comfort while renting, as steve mentioned making sacrifices in the short term to help the long term. I’m hoping that in buying hobby items now, when i don’t really have any debts, might make those sacrifices easier to bear in the long term.

    In response to learn&share, there aren’t many income streams that would be made available to me over the next few years other than earnings from part time work and centrelink benefits. I’m thinking of trying my hand at getting some of my work (photography and writing) published once I’ve improved my skills to try and get a passive income stream, but it might take some time and money to learn about both industries.

    Thank you both for your advice. Reading books can only take you so far as you need experience and not many people I know have investing experience.

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    Could I just say a big thank you for being so considerate? I know you had a lot to risk and that it was a financial strain but sometimes people can’t help the situations they are in. Treating the tenant the way you did is likely to foster a postive relationship … however did have the potential to blow up. I’m not saying you should always act like this though. I lived in an area that was full of low income couples spliting and kids moving out of home and they made excuses similar to the one your tenants were making, but didn’t fulfill there promises.

    I picked up in steves books that the tenants like a landlord that is considerate of the issues that arise. A possible way of resolving hassles like this in the future (especially if you own multiple rental properties) is being able to inform them of the options available to them rather than leave the tenants to search for forms of assistance. While its not your responsibility she is probably trying to make ends meet which could put rent, unfortunately, as a second priority.

    Might I recommend familiarising yourself with some of the forms of government assistance available so if this occasion repeats itself with another tenant, your better able to help? There are general things, like bond loans (from the DHS) and advance payments (from centrelink) that might be able to help.

    With the advance payments, they deduct a set amount each fornight (with me, I believe, it was $30) in order to pay the client an upfront loan. Ultimately she is doing the same, losing $30 a week, only this way she would be able to pay you as soon as she gets the money which might mean you’d be able to keep up with bank payements.

    I’ve had to move out due to bad circumstances and did a lot of research on the forms of assistance available to me so if you were genuinly interested, I could give you some links. I’m not recommended you do the work for the tenant, but trying to look at it from the viewpoint of having the knowledge to better protect your investment rather than hoping the tenant will come up with a situation.

    And, in response to ‘thecrest’, that safety net sure does come in handy; I wouldn’t be able to attend uni otherwise. I consider it to be an investment in my future and will be glad to pay taxes (at least for the first year or so, lol) in order to help out. :)

    Hope your tenant treats you well in the future!
    Jade

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