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  • Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    Yep. If there were a super easy way of getting zero percent homeloans, we'd all be doing it!

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    Cool.  Indeed it could go in your favour or against you, but why risk losing the farm due to being greedy to save a few dollars.  Slow and steady wins the race.

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    Good luck :-)

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    I will also say this: tread VERY carefully.  This could start out as an endeavour to save a little bit of money and end up costing an awful lot.  A bit like gambling perhaps.  If you can't afford to lose, you don't play the game.

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    I kinda sounds like you elected the east coast house as your PPOR, and that therefore you do not qualify for the 6 year absence ruling.  The type of loan you took out to purchase the east coast house would no doubt be sufficient grounds to deem this to be so, in the eyes of the ATO.  If you gave them a quick call they'd verify for you.

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    A couple of other thoughts:

    A Japanese bank may not accept an Australian property as security for an investment loan.

    It might prove difficult to later on leverage the equity growth in the Australian property held under mortgage with the Bank of Japan.  So this might limit how quickly your portfolio can expand.

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    As far as I can gather, the Bank of Japan is located in Japan and not Australia, and therefore the loan would be issued in the Japanese Yen currency.  Let's pretend the interest rate is indeed 0%.  Sooner or later you would still have to pay out the principal amount though, and this would have to be paid in Yen, regardless of the exchange rate.  So let's say you are borrowing to buy a house worth $500k and thus the loan is for AUD$500k.   Today's exchange rate is 1AUD=JPY82.1918  and therefore the loan would be JPY41095900 (ie 500*82.1918).  Now lets say that when the time comes to pay out the loan, the exchange rate changes to 1AUD=JPY70.2563.  Suddenly you owe AUD584942.6 (which is JPY41095900/70.2563).  So instead of owing AUD$500,000, you now owe AUD$584,942.60.  This is just talking about the principal amount.  I doubt very much you can lock in the interest rate of 0% forever, so your interest payments will also be subject to fluctuating currency exchange rates.  It could work in your favour but it could also work against you.  Don't think a currency can't change that much… as an example: just over 2 years ago, on October 12th 2008, the AUD/GBP exchange rate was 1GBP=2.61AUD.  And now it is 1GBP=1.6AUD – a drop of almost 40%.

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    Frankston Fella wrote:
    Thanks Jac, so are you thinking like a yearly rate perhaps averaged over their stay…that could work, I have heard some students will pay almost their entire stay in advance…worth considering…cheers FF

    That's exactly what I'm thinking yes.  If it is legal, I'd be asking overseas students to pay a large amount upfront as well.  Don't think this is legal though.

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    g0biin wrote:
    Yes Capital growth has not been to bad actually. But to relise this value I need to sell and I dont really want to sell at this stage.

    Why would you have to sell?  Why not get a valuation and refinance on the new value?

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    Students could of course be considered a bit of a nuisance in that regard, but you could get around the issue by making the shortstay rate higher

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    Advertise on http://www.gumtree.com.  Also there might be a government assisted housing program in the area.  In Geelong it is called Diversitat.  Basically helps new migrants find somewhere to live for their first little while in Oz.  Advertise with local TAFE and Unis…

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    How many properties would you be prepared to lose in one lawsuit if a tenant sued the owner of a property for something?  That's probably your answer.

    That said, let's pretend that you have an IP that returns only $6k per year in rents, and let's pretend that it would cost $2k per year in accounting fees to keep the trust going, you might have a personal preference to store more than one IP in that trust, to make it affordable.

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    Try and think of it like this: imagine if you had 20 different loans.  Just have one offset on the loan that has the highest interest rate and put all your spare cash in there.  That way you'll save the most money.  Who really cares which precise property loan was the one that you saved against.  It's the overall numbers that matter.  Does that make sense?

    And the matter of having 20 properties in one trust; the boys are suggesting this might not be wise, no doubt, for asset protection reasons.  What if a tenant trips on a bit of threadbare carpet or something and sues "the owner" (ie the trust) ?  Conveniently for the tenant, the "owner" owns 20 properties, so there is a giant pot of cash up for grabs in a law suit.  However if that trust only owned one or two properties, well those are the only properties you would stand to lose in that law suit.  The other 18 properties would be tucked safely away in other trusts.

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    Can't say I'd be taking this approach.

    Look at two things:

    Firstly, this business about buying the car on the credit card for the frequent flyer points:  you've worked out that the 2.2% transaction fee equals about $440.  Would  the frequent flyer points you earn from this transaction get you a flight that would have cost you $440 in real dollars?  Or are you spending $440 in transaction fees to get yourself a free flight that you could have bought with cold hard cash for a lesser amount?

    Secondly, I do feel you're a bit insane with the plan of buying a car and then paying credit card interest fees on the debt.  Is there a reason why you cannot use your liquid cash as a deposit on a property, wait for 6 months or whatever till the property grows in value, and then take out a line of credit against the property to buy the car?  The interest rate on the LOC (line of credit) would surely be less than that of a credit card….

    That's my 10c worth.   Let's see what the finance folk say.

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    Hi!

    If it were me, I don't think I'd be keen to put all my eggs in the one $600k basket.  Imagine if something went wrong.  For instance, sometimes tenants decide to stop paying rent, and then do not leave the property when ordered to do so.  This situation could be financially cripplying for you.  Perhaps you might be better off looking at a property of lesser value, and keeping some emergency money on hand in case "something" happens.  Then you'd be able to ride out the storm for a few months until the problem was sorted, without being forced to sell in a panic.  Then when you feel you can do so comfortably, get another property and add it to your wealth pile ;-)  Sleep at night money.  That's all I'm suggesting.  Don't put your back so far against the wall you're really stressed out all the time.  Mortgages tend to be of the 25 year nature.  That's a long time to be stressed and without the odd fun night out or little luxury because you can't afford it.

    Not to dampen the spirits, but the stamp duty alone on a $600k property is going to be in the order of about $30k.  That leaves rather a small deposit….

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    House Call wrote:
    update: I amicably phoned the selling agent who was very helpful, appropriately shocked and offered immediately to compensate us for cleaning costs.

    Which proves there are some really reasonable people in the world and that now removes most of the slightly bitter taste I had in my mouth about all this.  So JacM you will be pleased about that. 

    Awesome result House Call !

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    Try and point it out of your mind – there are so many inconsiderate people in the world it'll make you bitter.  Just console yourself with the fact you'd never do such a thing yourself, and the fact that you're steadily building a nice pot of wealth because you are smarter than them :-)

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    Thankyou very much Terry – clear info and easy to understand :-)  Hope you are well

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    Hi Terry,

    I'm trying to get my head around company and/or trust structures also.  I'm a contractor and have pondered the idea of working through my own company for tax minimisation reasons.  This business (or trusts within it????) would then use incoming monies to buy properties.  How would the setup of this look?  Let's pretend I bring in say, $500k per year (I wish! but for the purposes of the exercise…).  So the company "income" would be $500k.  Can the company then pay me as its director $30k (ie mimimum wage), spend say $5k on accounting fees and so on, and the remaining $465 on buying a house outright?  And therefore leave no "taxable income" for the company to be taxed?  Is this how it works?  I realise this is a basic example.  Just trying to get my head around it.  And how would it work if the company didn't earn enough in one year to buy a place outright?  Would the principal and interest payments each year all be deductible business expenses?

    Thankyou for any insights you fancy offering :-)

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    Jessie – earnings will have to be declared in Australia regardless of whether you've transferred earnings to Australia or not.  Foreign income has to be declared, and you indicate whether you've paid any taxes (ie in the U.S.) already and that is taken into account.

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