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  • Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    Hi layingplans,

    Everyone has a different strategy.  At the moment part of mine is to only buy stuff that I can drive to after work if necessary to get a personal visual on any issues.

    Can you help us understand something of your lives?  Where you live, what industry you work in, where your family is located… this will help us understand what towns are not a major bother for you to visit often for research, reno, etc…

    jacm

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    I think it depends on a few things such as how much savings you have, your current life circumstance (eg married / co-habitating or not , kids or not), where your employment is, what kind of dwelling you would like to live in, within reason, and the amount if income you have to put into a mortgage each month.  Can you help us with some more details to help give you some more ideas?

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    You will build equity at the same rate regardless of whether you are on a P&I loan or an I/O loan with offset.  So longer as you pour the same amount of money in, it is the same.  eg if you normally pay $700 a month towards a P&I loan, of which $400 is the interest component, then on an I/O loan, you'd pay your $400 interest, and you'd whack the remaining $300 in the offset account.  Thus you are indirectly "paying off" the property at the same rate.  The difference is you didn't hand the $300 over to the mortgage.  It's harder to get that money back once you do so.  You have to re-apply for additional loans and thus pay the application fees. 

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    Hi James

    Have either of you benefited from the FHOG (first home owners grant) before?  If not, you'd be wanting to get your hands on that and would therefore need to ensure you comply with the rules about living in the house for the first 6 or 12 months or whatever the ruling is now.

    I'm not understanding why you would want to get yourself a PPOR (primary place of residence) mortgage with a $250k debt and then go and buy a negatively geared investment as well.  I personally think you would be better off focussing on the PPOR only for a year or two and getting that under control, as it is non-deductible debt.  That said, get an interest-only loan with offset account and pull all monies into the offset account; not onto the mortgage.  This will enable you to change your mind about the purpose of the house later on and if desired, convert it to an investment property with deductible debt. 

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    The penalties for not playing by the rules within SMSFs are very very harsh.  Do yourself a favour and be absolutely one million percent sure you are playing by the rules.

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    Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    History has shown that property goes up in value.  It kind of has to anyway.  Everything goes up in price.  Groceries, petrol, houses…  Wages increase each year as well.  The trouble is that wages seem to be increasing at a slower rate than the rate that houses are increasing in price.  The price of property tends to go up at a faster pace than you can save.  Thus it tends to be best to acquire a property as soon as you are able to.  The reason property goes up at a faster pace is probably related to demand.  The population is increasing – through reproduction and immigration.  So there are more and more of us all trying to share the same land.  More and more of us wanting to live within a reasonable commute of the cities where the jobs are.  As they say – land is king – it is something they are not making any more of.  Two things will therefore happen simultaneously:  Property close to the employment hubs; in particular Sydney, Melbourne etc, will become unaffordable for many people.  Such people will be doomed to rent forever if they wish to reside in these areas.  At the same time, the government will be forced to create extra employment hubs (because let's face it – we can continue to cluster more and more people around the existing hubs and expect them to be able to commute to work in under an hour).  In VIC, some examples of this are being focussed around Geelong and Ballarat.

    People need food, shelter, and drinking water.  As such, expect that the prices of these will go up as they please and we'll simply have to pay.  The same applies to electricity – but at least if it is cold we have the option of putting on extra clothing instead of turning the heater on.  But when you're thirsty, you need water and that's that.  And unless you're ok with living in a tent or on the street, you'll need a dwelling to live in as well.  Food – yep, we need that too – and most of us have no ability to grow our own food because we do not have the skills and do not own a suitably large patch of dirt in which to grow vegies.  So off to Woolworths we go and pay whatever that pricetag says. 

    It would be ridiculous to expect that in a 10 year timeframe, the value of property would not go up.  I've rabbitted on for a little long, but trying to say enough to make it clear that yep property goes up, and thus give you the confidence to commence your investing journey.

    All that said, while a property that you buy for whatever the price is now might well be worth millions in the future, it will also be true that the cost of everything else will have gone up.  One million dollars today seems like a lot of money.  In 30 years it won't buy anywhere near as much stuff as it would buy today.  Just ask yourself – what is the price of a Mars Bar today… and what was it 5 years ago and you'll see what I mean.

    The beauty of property is though, that you put down SOME of the pricetag, and then the tenants generally pay the remainder of the mortgage off for you.  Nice.

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    Ahh then you have four years to refine your saving skills, and also to identify stellar properties.  Here are few suggestions:

    You could spend some of your weekends educating yourselves on things like:

    – What kind of properties offer you more for less?  For instance, is there a massive loungeroom that could have a piece sliced off it to create another bedroom?  The cost of adding a wall might be say, $1k-$2k, whereas the cost of buying a house with the additional bedroom ready-made is more in the order of $40k.

    – What kind of things can you see that you could do to improve the property?  eg does it need a whole new kitchen?  or would simply changing the handles on the cupboards and doors suffice?  Or perhaps keeping the carcass and changing the doors and handles?

    – What sorts of things are prevalent in your chosen area that are likely to cost you a heap of money? eg is it an older area where the houses are all on old stumps?  Upskill on the cost of things such as restumping and re-roofing so you can look at a property and say to yourself "bang, right there – that's gonna cost me $5k".  such costs can be included in your reasons for your offer on a property.  eg "I know you want $400k, but I know restumping is required and that will cost $10k so I offer you $390k".

    – Are there parts of town where the blocksizes are bigger, offering opportunity to subdivide and sell the backyard?  Take a visit to council and ask to see the zoning maps and have someone explain block size minimums to you.  Realise that the zoning and min block sizes might change during the next four years.

    – Help some mates out with their renos.  It will give you a bit of experience in a few bits and pieces and give you the confidence to look at something and say "yeah I can see it needs this and that but I know how to do that and I know where to buy the hardware from, and the task will take me only 3 weekends".  You'll also be able to look at an ugly or dated room and look past it to say "yes this room is awful, but I know that if I paint it white, change the window coverings, the door handles and the lightfittings, it'll be just lovely".

    – spend a bunch of weekends in the hardware store to understand what you can buy there, and what things cost.  it does sound stupid, but it is handy to know for eg, "well a solid new chrome doorhandle will cost me $25" for instance.

    – visit free DIY sessions at your local hardware store.  watch "how to" videos on youtube.  You'd be surprised how much you can learn!

    just a few things to get you thinking.  good luck!

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    yes it is true that if you hold an investment property for over a year before selling, you get the 50% cgt discount

    i'd be checking that the value you will add to this property far exceeds one month of salary.  otherwise, it's probably a bit risky.

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    Hi Miranda

    If you intend on doing a lot of the reno work yourself, then you are going to have to be within a reasonable commute of the reno property.  Otherwise you'll spend heaps of money on petrol, and you'll get very very tired.

    When looking for a feasible property to renovate, you need to look at the cold hard numbers.  If buy the time you pay for the acquisition of the property, the relevant stamp duty and legal fees, buy the materials and pay the relevant tradies for the reno work, pay for your petrol running around, pay for bank interest during the reno, pay the real estate agent's cut of the event sale price, and your legal team again, will there actually be a worthy profit?  (Remember any profit you make will be subject to CGT – capital gains tax – unless you live in the property and declare it your PPOR – primary place of residence).

    Look at what un-reno'd properties are selling for in the area, and what reno'd properties are selling for.  Not the advertised "we hope we can sell for this amount" price, the ACTUAL sale price.  This will help guide you with realistic expectations.  It's also important to have a grasp on how long properties take to sell.

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    Hi Hawk

    What you are really talking about is becoming a joint owner of a property as an individual, or under a company structure.  Remember that either way, there will be increased accountancy costs and legal costs because each respective part-owner will require his/her own legal representation.

    Personally I don't do sharing (I don't do sharing properties, and I don't do body corporate.  I'm not interested in having a meeting to get permission to paint my own property).  So I personally would prefer to own the whole thing.  Much easier.

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    Hi Stephen

    Welcome!

    Just to clarify:  you are wanting to buy a place to live in?  Or an investment property that tenants will reside in?

    If it's a place you'll live in, I presume you guys are eligible for the First Home Owner Grant?

    If you can tell us what state you are in, and what approximate area you are hoping to buy in, it will help us understand the stamp duty taxes and so on relevant to your situation.

    But generally, the rule is that land is king.  The more land you own the better.  Better still if it is within an hour commute of a major city such as Sydney or Melbourne.  Personally I prefer houses or townhouses over flats in multi-storey buildings for this reason.  It is land that goes up in value, not the building sitting on it.  So the more land you have, the better.

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    If you don't sell, you won't pay cgt.  For example, you could enjoy the increase in value of your property by using the equity as a deposit to buy an additional property.  This can be done by means of taking out a second mortgage against the property.

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    here is an example of roughly what you ought to negotiate next time you get the chance:

    7% of rent inclusive of gst, or thereabouts
    One week's rent to sign a new tenant
    $55 re-letting fee (resigning existing tenant) inclusive of gst
    DO NOT pay an agent by the hour, nor at all, to attend VCAT hearings.  If you agree to pay such things there is absolutely no incentive for them to get a good tenant for you and take care of the property properly along the way.
    There will normally be a statement fee of $2 a month or thereabouts.
    You should expect an agent to inspect each of your properties twice a year, and you should insist on seeing a written report and photos which clearly show the state of the property.  It is not acceptable for the property manager to send the agency secretary to perform inspections – it needs to be the Property Manager who is trained to know what issues to look out for.

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    i wouldn't try to self manage if i were you.  it's great so long as everything is perfect with the tenant, but if something goes wrong, it becomes a huge mess if you are self managing.  if nothing else, your local property manager is handy key storage for when the tenant locks themself out of the house and needs to borrow the spare set, and sort of cheap legal advice.  they are at vcat all the time seeing what the likely outcomes of vcat cases will be and can thus advise you accordingly.  they also have access to TICA, the bad tenant database, to screen prospective tenants.

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    If I were you, I'd look in the Blacktown through Seven Hills district for a house on a big block of land.  You can fix up the house, and build another dwelling in the backyard later, or just subdivide the backyard off and sell it.

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    no a re-letting fee should not be that much.  it should be around the $55 mark.  they are charging you an amount as though they had to re-advertise, hold open for inspections, ref check tenants, and sign them up.  a re-let is simply printing a piece of paper and having the tenant sign it.  not worthy of a $200 fee.  have you referred back to the contract you signed with the agency re this?

    either way, if you did indeed sign up for such ridiculous fees, you can still now say "well do you know what?  i am literally going to fire you and hire a different agency right now unless we ammend this fee structure."  be sure you have first dug around and found an agent you would be happy with before you do this.

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    $200 is ridiculous.  It sounds like you've been charged a re-letting fee as well as a re-advertising fee.  That said, a re-letting fee can be negotiated to zero when originally recruiting your Property Manager.

    It is true that when a 12month contract expires, the tenant can stay on a "periodical lease" which means they can stay on a month-to-month sort of basis.  The difference is that they have to give you less notice if they want to leave.  It is important that 120days before the lease expires you find out if the tenant wants to re-sign, and if not, you must give them notice that they must vacate at the expiry of the lease.  Otherwise yes, it can lapse into a periodical lease if the agent doesn't bother to get them to sign a new lease.

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    Price guides can be found in the rear pages of the Australian Property Investor Magazine.

    As for its potential growth and will it increase more in value than Corio, …. it's kind of like asking if we know which numbers will come up in the Tattslotto this weekend.  You need to research the area to understand what new infrastructure will come to the area, jobs etc, and decide for yourself if you think that will cause more people to move to the area.

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    Colin's right.  I like to do the same thing with a clause on insurance.  "Subject to the buyer being able to secure an insurance policy over the property that is acceptable to the buyer".  Some property types are tricky or pricey to insure.  You would not want to be left holding a hot potato that you were contractually obliged to buy, but for which you were unable to secure insurance…

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    Seriously … do not rush into offering to buy this place until it has been inspected and you are dead certain of what you're getting yourself into.  You are not buying a kitkat here.  You're talking about parting with a giant wad of cash.  You would want to be very certain in your own mind of what you are doing.  And remember, this is not the last deal on the planet.  There are a lot of houses about.  Don't rush yourself into thinking it's now or never.

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