As ruapehu has pointed out above, maybe you are not as out of pocket as you thought?
The only thing that springs to mind to ask is: what interest rate are you on? It doesn't make sense to me that you are as out of pocket as you've mentioned unless you are on a massive interest rate, or pay enormous body corporate fees. Could you perhaps illustrate the cost of your bills so we can understand the exact situation and help you? If you are able to indicate rent, how much property management fee you pay, how much is the insurance, water bill, council rates, body corporate fees, and how much is the mortgage repayments… that would be very helpful.
By my calculations, assuming you are on an interest rate of about 6.5%, you'd be out of pocket about $193 per week for Cleveland before factoring in any depreciation or tax offsets, and about $63 per week for Lemon Tree (again, before factoring in depreciation or tax offsets)
So all in all you're about $256 per week out of pocket, which is $13,312 per year. After depreciation I'd imagine this out of pocket figure would come in below $10k.
So the question remains, how is it that you've come to a larger out of pocket figure. There must be something about your interest rate or bills that we are not understanding….
Thanks for touching base with us to let us know how it panned out Jenny Good result. It did seem odd the utility company was trying to bully her into paying an account held in someone else's name.
Great idea DWolf…
I like where I am but thats me. There is sooo much infrastructure going up here- hospital, railway stations, shops, new town hub. Prices are low – low socio economic- first home buyers entry point and lots and lots of infrastructure being built! My family has been here for 5 generations and the suburbs caught up to us! I just like the “localness” of it all……… But prices have not gone backwards looking at stats.. so I am not sure about the “property downturn”.
1) Legal ownership takes place at settlement, but obligation takes place after the cooling period is over and all special conditions (such as finance) are satisfied.
2) In VIC, stamp duty is payable at settlement.
3) If you put "Joe Bloggs and/or nominee" as the buyer on the contract of sale, you don't have to worry about the precise name or names until close to settlement. (Joe Bloggs should be replaced with your name).
Cooling off period is a fixed period of time as per real estate law. There is no cooling off period for the vendor but there is for the buyer. I believe it is 3 days.
4) Deposit is indeed negotiable.
5) In VIC the both of you would pay stamp duty. I am not 100% sure about other states. That said, if you had and/or nominee on the contract of sale the situation might be slightly different. I am sure someone more in the know about such things will comment.
Now here is my opinion;
I don't think it is a particularly good idea to put something under contract if you will not be eligible for finance for another 7 months. While you might get agreement on a long settlement, the vendor is not going to let you mess about trying to get a bank loan for 7 months. They'll give you around 4 weeks max. So in a nutshell I don't see the vendor agreeing to a 7mth finance clause which means you could not buy the property under your current plan.
I am unsure why you feel you would be better to look interstate because you are from Melbourne. You would be best to look at property that will offer you the best growth and/or yield. If that is in VIC, good. If it is interstate, good. Follow the numbers.
I am also unclear why you feel you need to use a buyers advocate. They certainly have their place, though equally you are certainly able to acquire a copy of API magazine and check out the stats and start zeroing in on some suburbs…
Sometimes one property can mix multiple strategies (such as reno and also subdivision). Sometimes just one strategy. You can't necessarily use all strategies in every deal. No need to get upset because this is so.
Much of the current sentiment is to go for positive cashflow. Why hope for capital growth with a negatively geared property and then whine that the capital growth takes way longer than you thought.
Apart from that, it will come down to your risk profile and personal preference. Some people are happy to invest in locations with high yields in high risk locations. I would stress too much and have a heartattack, so I've gone for a different strategy.
Personally I want a bit of everything. I want good yields, low vacancy AND capital growth. Personally I go for properties that have proven historic growth and pointers to more of it in the immediate future. I am happy for such a property to be slightly negatively geared, but for no more than about a year. I then expect it to stand on its own two feet so I can go shopping again. But ideally I like things I can immediately add value to and thus shoving them into positive cashflow terrain.
I believe that learning to save is an important stepping stone towards becoming an investor, but saving should absolutely not be a person's life investment plan in its own right.
Further, it is a fact that it is necessary to be able to DEMONSTRATE that you can save to lenders when wishing to secure finance on a property you wish to buy.
I work in the banking industry and I am never asked to produce evidence that I attended uni. Actually that is a lie… I was asked once and I laughed and said I had no clue where that piece of paper was now, with all its irrelevance so many years down the track. While I did indeed go to uni, I did not study subjects directly related to my current profession and frankly nobody cares. Once you've been out of uni for 2 years or more, nobody cares about seeing the bit of paper any more. It's the experience that counts.
While going to uni to make forward movement in life is better than doing nothing, it is not always the case it is the best idea for every person. Plenty of tradies out there that did apprenticeships and became minted before they turned 30 by investing in real estate, and opening their own businesses and hiring others to do the hard yakka.
You need to evaluate what things you believe will drive price growth in the two respective areas. For example, when a new road is built in a town, it makes it easier for the residents to commute in and out of the town, and may make it faster to commute to work in the city. Thus the desirability factor of the town can increase. You also want to evaluate what the demand is for rentals in a town, versus the number of properties available for rent. If there are more properties available for rent than there are prospective tenants, then you might find yourself having to discount your rent to attract a tenant. You want to understand how much out of pocket (or ahead) you will be after the rent money has been eroded by mortgage payments, and paying the bills such as insurance. You also want to evaluate how you can immediately add value to your property, thus making it worth more money, and being able to hike up the rent. Can you renovate? Can you add a granny flat to the backyard to enable a second tenancy on the site?
These are the sorts of things you want to evaluate. Don't get too caught up on whether you should stick like glue to suburbs close to Parramatta. Stick to facts and numbers.
Remember that once you render, you'll have to commit to painting on a regular basis to keep the place looking tidy. For this reason, I opt not to render my buy and holds. I'd happily do it for something I was going to sell.
I am investing in Geelong (suburbs of Geelong – not Geelong CBD) because it offers me the trifecta. Capital Growth, Good yields, and low vacancy rates.
What did you intend to do with the block? Have you had a chat to council and a local draftsperson about whether your plans would be possible? Have you had a chat to some builders to understand how much your construction would cost? And a mortgage broker to understand if you could get finance for such a construction and at what interest rate?
The results of such investigations might show you why it's been on the market a while. It might cost too much to build on the block to make it worthwhile.
Not everyone is eligible to buy and not everyone wants to buy. Plenty of people happy sponging off the unemployment benefits and rental assistance money on offer out there
Listen to lots of ideas from lots of people and cherry pick which ideas you like and which suit your circumstance. Trying to comply with everyone's ideas at once is impossible and you'll get confused and do nothing at all.
so i guess they used them for capital gains or flips? negative geared investing tend to be really good for those who already have high incomes. Did they have high paying income jobs already?
… Or a few cashflow positive properties to prop them up and cover the shortfall…