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  • Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    donavan1970 wrote:
    JacM,

    You are correct.

    I need to select the right property for all the reasons you mentioned, and will take all the risks into account.

    All I meant was that if the right property is in Brisbane or Melbourne or overseas it really doesn't matter, but the property and the critical factors are vitally important, to any investment proceeding.

    Good stuff Donavan, sounds like you have a sensible mind.

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    Think about where you would live if you found yourself a Gen Y person without assets and struggling with the cost of living.  What would be the first budget cut you would make?  Food?  No?  Hanging out with your friends sometimes?  No?  Medical care?  No?  Car?  Jackpot.  It's a big expense that you can avoid if you live near the facilities you need.  This does not necessarily mean you have to be within 5km of Melbourne CBD.  Perhaps in a fringe suburb of a major regional city.  Either way, near shops, public transport, and not silly distances from employment if it applies to your demographic.

    I've got a house smack across the road from the shopping centre in Corio and my tenants cheer "look at the location!".  They do not need a car because the shops and the doctor's surgery are across the road.  A few footsteps from the front door is the busstop so they can go into the centre of Geelong to the cinema, more shops and so on if need be.

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    Hi Donavan

    I personally disagree with the mantra of not caring where the property is located so long as it makes money.

    You want the asset to be relatively low-risk, because you probably are not wanting to sign up for any more financial stings this lifetime.  So would it be appropriate for you to have a go at a mining town?  Probably not.  You'd be ruined if the mine moved out of town.  There would be no tenants and nobody would want to buy the property off you either.

    You want your properties in places with strong tenant demand so you are not sitting praying that your tenant never leaves.  You want to know that oh well, if that happens, plenty more tenants available anyway.   Also if you for whatever reason need to offload the property, that there would be some buyers readily available to buy it from you.  Plenty of towns out there where you'd struggle to sell at all, or at best spend a year waiting for a buyer.

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    Hi Donavan,

    Sure.

    The accountant I used to set up the SMSF for me (and the bare trusts required by the lender at acquisition stage) is:

    Douglas McCracken-Skeggs

    He can be found at the office of Ron Skeggs and Associates, 275 Geelong Rd, West Footscray 3012, tel 9687 0933.

    His email address is [email protected]

    Douglas also does my SMSF's annual tax return and audit. 

    For the SMSF mortgages, Richard Taylor, who has already posted on this thread.

    Both of these boys drove the process to perfection.  They are gems.  Very tidy, no unexpected surprises.  In fact it all went so well that on settlement day of SMSF IP # 1 when the solicitor called to advise settlement had gone through I was like "Really???  Are you sure the State Revenue Office or the Land Titles Office didn't stop us dead in our tracks?  I thought this SMSF stuff was supposed to be a minefield!"  Both Doug and Richard are extremely across the SMSF rules and keep you in line.

    For what it's worth, I did a lot of digging around and specifically decided not to go with one of these "hey we are great we bundle it up for you and it will all be very easy" mobs on the internet.  On the surface, it all sound wonderful.  But.  Things can get nasty expensive down the line when you just want to ask a little question, or your tax return is not a text book case.  There are folks out there pretending setting up and managing SMSFs is way harder than it actually is, and charging clients a fortune to shield them from it all.  Hmmm. 

    Be very aware that if you get someone to set up your SMSF and they do not do it properly, it is very expensive to fix it, and you'll struggle to find a proper accountant who is prepared to clean up the mess for you.  You'll be in what is known as no man's land.  Whatever you do, go with an accountant and broker that others have used successfully.  Take recommendations ONLY from people who have set up their SMSF, bought and settled on at least one SMSF property, gone through at least one SMSF tax return and audit, and whose SMSF has been open at least a year.  Such people will by that stage have seen and understood all the phases, and have seen what kind of fees ASIC and ATO issue annually.  Any issues with accounting or mortgage broking would have been fleshed out by then you see.  It would be my recommendation that you only go with arrangements where the one person is your accountant – not a random assortment of fifteen people that pass your file around like a hot potato.  You need one person to be clear on your goals and circumstance and provide suitable advice accordingly, and you want every bit handled by that person (who should be a fully qualified accountant who is experienced in SMSFs that buy property).  You don't want work experience kids, assistants, or anyone that is not your accountant touching your SMSF at any time.  You do not want mistakes, you want a squeaky clean SMSF smiley

    Cheers!

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    I've heard a few negative results from people that used ESuper too. 

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    Hi Donavan

    For under $70k I got a SMSF set up and funded the deposit and stamp duty on its first property.  For $110k you'd be able to set up, buy one place, and be close to having enough funds to buying the second.  Further they will well and truly have paid themselves off by the time you hit retirement age, at which time you can choose to use the rent as income, or sell one or both free from Capital Gains Tax (ie pure profit).

    You need to ensure you have an accountant and mortgage broker on board both of whom do these kinds of setups all day long.  Piece of cake.  Don't be someone's guinea pig while they try to learn the ropes.

    Feel free to drop me a PM if you like.

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    Banks change their minds every 5 seconds about the kinds of properties they do and don't like, and the kinds of buyers they do and don't like.  One week, a purchaser who works as a contractor will be able to borrow $500k from a particular bank to purchase a property.  A week later, said bank decides it doesn't like contractors any more.  If that purchaser applies to that bank, he'll get a big fat rejection stamp on his credit file, and he tries another bank.  He cannot afford many rejection stamps before nobody at all will lend to him.  Brokers are submitting loans on behalf of thousands of people each week and as such are completely up to speed with what each of the banks are currently thinking and how a loan application will pan out.  Soooo much easier for this reason to let a broker deal with your application for you. 

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    Happy New Year to you guys too !

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    As the others have pointed out, it depends what you want to do with it. 

    If you have bought something and plan to keep it to rent it out, you might decide you want to just get it to liveable status, or nudge it to the next level of tenant.  Perhaps you might only need to do an extreme clean.  Or maybe change the floor coverings and the taps.  Perhaps a couple of new plants and some mulch to create a garden bed out front. Or you might decide to upgrade the kitchen and/or bathroom as Richard mentioned in his post.  Or you might gut the place and redo everything.  Whatever you do it needs to pay for itself.  Not much point embarking on a $50,000 renovation only to be able to fetch $5 per week more in rent… unless your strategy is to tap into the equity you manufacture.  Even so that'd be risky I reckon.  It'd want to be some serious equity that would enable you to buy a building that paid for itself and your $50k reno, because your tiny little $5 per week rental hike sure would not be paying for the $50k lending for the reno.  The interest on $50k per week would be more up around the $60 mark, and you'd only be collecting $5 of that in hiked rent.  Make sense?  I'd be wanting a bare minimum of 15% annual return for my troubles of embarking on a reno.  So let's say I forked out $20k for a renovation, I would expect the reno to increase the achievable rent by a minimum of $20k x 0.15 = $3k per year.  So that works out to about $57 per week extra in achievable rent.

    If you bought something with the intention of renovating it and onselling it for a profit, you need to start with knowing exactly how much you can sell the renovated product for, and to whom (eg young family, elderly folks, young professionals).  Your reno should be designed with your target market's budget and taste/needs in mind.  Once you know your onsell price, you work backwards.  How much will it cost to renovate the place to the standard required to put it on the market?  What will the fees involved be?  (Real estate agent selling costs, solicitor costs at buy and sell phase, bank loan setup costs and mortgage interest).  You will then know how much you can afford to pay to buy the property (and cough up for the stamp duty) at the original acquisition phase.  If you can't make a profit out of it with some breathing room for surprises or shifts in interest rates, you don't buy it.  Or at least not as a reno and flip project.  You might be able to make it work as a buy, reno, hold and rent it out project, with a revaluation post-reno to access the equity to go again.

    Others will have different formulae they like to work to.  It all comes down to your goals, your comfort level, your available time.  But it must not result in making a loss.  Making a loss is of course what you want to avoid.

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    I think you mean property ladder ?

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    This is a very valuable thread.  A tidy package of "what on earth can a smsf do and not do", and with Terry, Michael and Richard all pitching in their knowledge smiley

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    I would be very wary of a financial planner that did not already know the rules surrounding the topic of renovating inside a SMSF without having to go away and research it. 

    As the boys have mentioned, your SMSF cannot borrow money to do a reno.  So if your SMSF has money in its bank account, great.  You do of course need to ask yourself if this is the best use of the SMSF funds.  Either way, as Terry mentioned… you cannot change the nature of the asset…. so for eg you cannot subdivide off the back yard, or convert a house into two dwellings.  From what the ATO told me, a cosmetic reno is fine, as is converting a room to a bathroom.  I even read in a mag recently that a SMSF can add a granny flat to the backyard (presuming it has a large slushy fund to fund such a venture).  If in doubt, ask the ATO for a private and binding ruling.  And perhaps look into getting an accountant or financial planner on your team that already knows the answers to these questions.   Richard and Terry have both already replied to you and know the rules inside out.

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    Hi Terry, do you mean SMSFR 2012/1 as per here?

    http://www.ato.gov.au/content/00320475.htm

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    Costs are claimable from when the property is advertised for rent. Keep a record of the gumtree ad…

    From the ATO website:

    "You can claim expenses relating to your rental property but only for the period your property was rented or available for rent, for example, advertised for rent"

    http://www.ato.gov.au/content/00313893.htm

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    Hi there,

    The rear pages of the Australian Property Investor Magazine has stats which include vacancy rates.  http://www.sqmresearch.com.au also offers free vacancy rate charts. Also you can watch the rent pages for your target suburb on http://www.realestate.com.au.  Note down what is for rent and see how long it takes the ad to disappear (meaning the place got rented).  I like to get a spreadsheet happening that lists the address, property type (house, unit, apartment in highrise) number of bedrooms, price, renovated/unrenovated, and whether or not the place is close to shops, trains, schools.  It shows you not only how long properties take to clear, but also what kind.

    Three or four weeks of this kind of monitoring should have you feeling pretty certain IN YOUR OWN MIND of what's going on in terms of demand in that suburb.

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    There are three very highly respected mortgage brokers on these forums that would sort this out for you in a heartbeat.  Pick one and give them a call.  Userids are Jamie M, Qlds007 and Terryw

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    PrimePropertyInvestor wrote:
    property leather

    ?

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    Yep get an awesome broker on board.  Pick from any of the following three gun mortgage brokers on these forums.  Their userids are Qlds007, Jamie M and Terryw.

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    Nice one Freckle, useful stuff!  smiley

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    Hi Yoly

    Nobody but you can decide where to buy.

    Some people are capital growth buyers (buy, hope that the value will increase).  Some people are cashflow buyers (buy property that fetches rent sufficient to cover the mortgage and bills).  Some people expect their properties to be a balance between the two. 

    The general things to think about are:

    1. Follow the infrastructure.  Look at where the government is doing things like building new freeways or rail, which makes it more appealling to live in the area due to accessibility.

    2.  Don't dig yourself in too deep.  No point buying something praying for capital growth to save you if you cannot afford the bills while you are waiting for the growth

    3.  There needs to be employment in the area so people can afford your rent

    4.  There should be demand.  You don't want to buy into an area that has loads of properties available for rent but not that many people looking for a rental to live in

    5.  Try and be within a reasonable commute of a major city or major employment centre

    6.  If you plan to buy regional, you generally want to look at buying really close to the town centre.  So no more than a 2min drive away, presuming you get no red traffic lights.

    7.  You want places that have things nearby such as a university, a hospital, and a few major employers.

    Take a look at the rear pages of the Australian Property Investor Magazine for some statistics to start zeroing in on places you might fancy investing in.

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