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  • Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    wow awesome – how long did it take to go from 120k to 500k?

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    hahaha fair call :-)

    It's none of my business, but if you fancy, it'd be super interesting to see what sort of % growth over x number of years your investments in the area have enjoyed?

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    wealth4life.com wrote:
    Can you convert the hotel rooms to strata … we are looking at doing a goldie conversion in Sydney at Hornsby … room cost $70k each rental $250.00 a week …..

    !!  Are you serious??   This sounds very awesome w4l… are you converting the whole building or just one hotel room?

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    I wasn't referring to an article but the tables at the rear of the magazine.  That data is sold to API by "Australian Property Monitors".  I can't imagine the data is an opinion – it would have to be based on actual fact…

    Confusing. 

    I have written to "Australian Property Monitors" to see if I can get some clarification.

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    Hi wealth4life –

    Thanks again for you reply.  I agree that investing is for the long term – I'm merely nervous about apartments in that they don't have the land factor that is relied upon for capital growth.  You obviously have property in the area and have been happy with performance.  I am as such genuinely interested in your opinion.  The API mag results did confuse me, so I'm trying to understand the area a bit better.  Apologies if I offended you – definitely not the intent.

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    Thankyou everyone for your time thus far.

    Hi Wealth4Life,

    The average annual capital growth over the last 10 years for both Elizabeth Bay and Potts Point units/apartments as published in the January edition of API was not good.  ie less than 3% per annum.  These figures are confusing given the hype about these areas.  Do you have some knowledge that we're not privy to?

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    Either way, it might be an idea to consider refinancing the Joondalup property to be an IP loan, and pull some money out of it (then the costs associated with the property would be deductible).  This money could be used to get rid of the investment loan in shares & managed funds, while you rent something to live in elsewhere.  Or it could be used to get you into another property.

    It might be an idea to have a chat to a mortgage broker to understand whether you would have enough borrowing capacity to get another place at this stage or not.  You wouldn't have to actually submit a loan application.  Just have the conversation.

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    Wow $30k, for some reason I had guessed a much lower figure.  I guess it depends on the council being dealt with, and the number of pieces you're subdividing the original block into.

    Pretty sure I can make it on the 4th, have to wangle a couple of days off work as I am currently doing a contract in Sydney :-(

    I'll let you know!!

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    You might consider the following option:

    Refinance the unit to be an investment property loan, and rent it out. 

    If you are really precious about it, sure, buy another house for yourselves to live in.  Put as much cash in as you can, keeping the debt on the IP high.    However, it could work out cheaper for your second property to be another IP, an in fact for the pair of you to rent something for yourselves to live in.  That way, you'd have two IPs, both of which have expenses that are tax deductable.  (If you live in one of your properties, the expenses for that property are not deductible.) 

    Anyway, it's an idea for you to consider and research…

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    How much does a subdivision actually cost?  DWolfe you sound like you know a bit about the topic…

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    Singer wrote:
    Of course people can have money and property to get benefits

    … not necessarily so.  apparently if you have more than $5500 in ready cash, you are ineligible.  Refer here:
    http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/newstart_iat.htm

    I recall once upon a time when a friend of mine was made redundant from his job.  Someone advised him to immediately put his cash onto his homeloan so that it would not be assessible income for benefits.  Had he not done this, he would have received no assistance.

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    So in summary:

    You are not eligible for disability benefit at all.

    You are not eligible for unemployment benefits due to having access to liquid funds. 

    Are you aware that your home would not be counted as assessible income?  If it were possible for you to sink your money into a property, surely it would no longer be assessible as liquid income and therefore you'd be eligible for newstart allowance?  Land in areas like Melton starts at about $99k. 

    I really think  you are paying wayyyyyyyy too much for rent.  A quick internet search shows that city apartments start at around $220 which would solve your commuting to medical appointments problem.  Further out it is indeed possible to find places for under $200.  (Werribee is one such example.)

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    Where are you living that is demanding this $1800 per month of rent?!

    What help is Centrelink providing at the moment?  Are you receiving an unemployment or disability benefit?  Do you have concession cards that give you discounts on medication, household bills, car registration etc?

    Where are your medical appointments located?

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    You can offer what you like!  You could offer 20% less if you wanted to.  It may not be accepted, but you never know.

    It is handy to know why the vendor is selling.  For instance, if they are moving house and have already bought and committed financially to the new house, they might urgently need funds from the sale of their current house (which you are thinking of buying).  In this case, urgency might cause the vendor to consider a lower offer.  Or maybe it is an elderly couple that is downsizing, and they don't actually need full asking price.  Or maybe it is an elderly couple that would consider taking a portion of the sale price now, and will "loan you the remainder" for which you'll pay them interest a little above what their bank account would earn.  This is known as vendor finance.

    Try finding a polite way of asking the question of why the vendor is selling.  You could also subsequently ask the agent if the vendor would consider an offer.  If you make an offer, the agent is, by law, required to inform the vendor of your offer.  If you wish to make an offer, be very clear (for eg "I would like to make an offer of $x.  Could you please notify the vendor of my offer."  The vendor can then say no to your offer, or they might ammend their price a bit, or they might hold steady and insist they are waiting for the asking price.  Either way, negotiation is not necessarily over here.  You could make your offer, they could say no, you could say oh well, that's all I can afford, but I am ready to go with finance.  Do keep in touch and let me know if the vendor should have a change of heart.  The vendor might panic a bit after a couple of days and decide to accept your offer after all.  You just never know.  They won't give you a discount if you don't ask, that's for sure. 

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    coolboy wrote:
    I was told that they would not give a letter that my loan is not approved unless I show a proof that I dont have sufficient money in the account to pay 10% deposit as agreed in the Offer & Acceptance.

    Can you arrange for it to be the case that you have less than 10% in your bank account then?  It seems that if you can do that, then you'll get your letter of rejection.  Maybe that is illegal.  Does anyone know if it is legal to do that? Or in fact would a loan offer letter offering 85% achieve the same result?  (Because 85% is not the required 90% as specified by the subject to finance clause in the contract of sale.)

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    I'd be wanting that extension in writing, and I would not be parting with more cash to raise owner confidence.  It is not like this is the last  house available on the planet.  Life will go on if this deal doesn't work out for you.  

    Yes, I believe that any loan rejection goes on your credit file, which is a negative for future applications.  So if you think you'll be rejected, it would not be wise to proceed with the application.

    What does your contract say about finance.  Does it say something like "subject to finance acceptable to purchaser" or does it say something like "subject to 85% finance" ?

    Has the bank had the house valued as yet?  You'd want to look at that anyway to ensure you've not offered to buy an overvalued house and then be busting your gut to get finance for it.

    What does your solicitor say about the matter?  If you don't have a solicitor, I'd suggest getting one immediately to help look at the situation and prevent you getting sued for breach of contract.

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    Hi Thomas

    You mention you are a 17 year old student.  Does this mean you are in high school or university?  Do you have an income in the form of a part-time job or otherwise?  The bank will probably insist on seeing an income stream before dishing out money.  If you have no income stream, what is the plan if the tenant in your investment property fails to pay rent, or if there is an unexpected cost associated with the property?  (Perhaps a plumbing problem…)

    When do you plan to no longer be a student, and instead be in the workforce?

    If you are unlikely to have an income stream for a while, an idea to add to the mix might be considering buying something "Off the plan", which means you are buying something that is still under construction, or proposed to be constructed.  You pay a small amount, and  the balance is not due until the property is completed in a year or two.  It is important to be careful such properties are not overvalued, or in fact that there are too many of them, causing a situation where there are more properties (of its kind at least), than there are available tenants to live in them.  I read recently that it can be possible to buy a deposit bond or bank deposit for say, $2500, which secures the property (you'd still want to ensure the bank was prepared to loan the rest tho!), but you don't have to find any other money until the property is completed.  Hopefully by that stage it has gone up in value and you can refinance with the bank, thereby getting a higher loan-to-value ratio.

    Another possibility is doing a joint venture – perhaps with someone that has access to money or has equity in a property.  You could offer to do your bit with the cash you have, and also doing a lot of the legwork in finding a suitable property, and perhaps doing some minor renovation work, based on your skillset.

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    Done :-)  I've applied for an ABN :-)

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    Hi Terry – thus far I haven't needed an ABN to work as a contractor as I simply become a PAYG employee of the agency that commissioned the role, for the duration of the contract.

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    Brilliant!  This solves my dilemma.  I work in I.T. as a contractor in contracts that tend to be of duration 3mths/6mths.  So I will possibly always face financing problems applying for loans as a regular individual with a short-term employment status.  This would appear to be the solution – the missing piece of the puzzle.  Thankyou !!

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