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  • Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    I don’t think there is a law against making such comments. It might help your pondering to relay the precise comments in your mind, and remembering the nationality of your tenants, to try and understand why the neighbour feels this way, and address it accordingly.

    While Wikipedia can be edited it gives a bit of a guide. Sounds like if it is verbal you cannot do much. Only if it is written, pictorial or published. Depends on which state it occurs in though. It differs quite a bit between states.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Australia

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    Would I have some sort of instant equity from putting a deposit of that size (77k) down

    Putting down a bigger deposit does not force your property to grow in value faster, unfortunately, so it’ll be worth the same irrespective of how much deposit you put down.

    However a bigger deposit tends to mean you’ve paid a little less interest so you’ve saved a bit of money there. It also means that if you’re that way inclined, you could potentially look to refinance to a different lender at a higher LVR, thereby sort of reversing your decision to have put down 20% and revert to 10%, or even 5% deposit, with the difference released to you for use on subsequent property purchases.

    Hope this helps.

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    1. Should I go with agent to rent out my property?

    Up to you but quite honestly, they don’t get paid much considering how much hassle they shield you from. It probably isn’t worth your time to self-manage.

    2. What are pros & cons of agents rather than self management?

    A few big cons of self managing are having to keep across residential letting laws, having to deal with troublesome or non-paying tenants, and realising your insurance company wants to charge you more for your insurance because they deem your property to be at a higher risk of damage or rental default when you attempt to self-manage.

    3. What are reasonable commission rate for agent? (I’ve read on this forum that it ranges from 5%-10%)

    As you say it ranges depending on area. The average is circa 6.5%

    4. What sort of insurance are required to protect my rental property?

    Building insurance including public liability (which may be covered by the owners corporation if such a thing applies to your property… and in your case it will apply because it’s an apartment), plus landlord insurance to cover things like malicious damage, rental default, and rehousing the tenant if your property becomes unliveable due to an event such as flood.

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    Hi Knox

    I am wondering why you put down a 20% deposit as opposed to a 10% deposit. Since you mentioned hopes of equity in that property I presume you are hoping to access some equity for a deposit on IP # 2… in which case you perhaps should have considered only a 10% deposit on IP #1 so that you had some cash available for deposit on IP #2. Food for thought going forward.

    Refinancing to access equity isn’t free, there are bank fees associated with it, and February was fairly recent to presume sufficient growth in your property’s value to fund an entire deposit on another property.

    I may have misunderstood and you might just be starting your planning and scheming phase and intend to force the capital growth through a reno. But thought I’d mention about the deposit size so you can ponder on your next deposit whether 20% down is what’s best for you or not.

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    Hi Steven

    Well done for saving a deposit at such a young age – and what a great opportunity to get in the market while your overheads are low (still living at home with parents).

    We might be able to comment a bit more if we understood how much deposit you’ve saved, and roughly what your salary is.

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    Good to hear it’s just a hypothetical, Bill :) You’d be surprised how many people think they can do whatever they please despite superannuation laws.

    It is indeed silly that it is allowed for commercial but not resi but oh well. I suppose because commercial can still generate income, whereas if you reside in a resi property owned by the SMSF, no income can result.

    Some friends of mine have acquired a vacant commercial site in their SMSF, and have just finished the fit-out and are now operating a business from the site (from a separate company that leases the property from the SMSF). They enjoy running the site and intend to keep it, however when buying a vacant commercial site and then building a thriving business in it, it would be very tempting to then look at the resale value of the business and the site.

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    I definitely would not consider investing there. Too far from a capital city or independently major regional centre. Also there is some reliance on the renewable industry sector which can be a bit turbulent every time the government changes its mind on funding distribution.

    The yields on offer would need to be substantially above more major regionals or the metropolitan suburbs for me to even spend time thinking about it…, and the yields are most certainly not substantially above such an average.

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    Hi Bill

    One hopes nobody from the ATO is reading this thread as I suspect your user-id is your actual name ! It might be tricky to get an ABN or Tax File Number issued for the proposed SMSF if they were onto your intentions, so you’d stumble at the first hurdle.

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    Tread carefully with how you finance the original purchase. Your lender won’t be pleased if they suddenly find they hold security over a vacant bit of land rather than what they originally financed which had a house on it. The act of doing the demolition will make the site worth less for a period of time.

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    It only takes one person with insufficient understanding or business smarts to be the odd one out and mess up a unanimous vote…

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    It’s quite nice that you returned to let us know how you’re going now after originally posting this thread :) Good on you !

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    Keep in mind that this is in a building with many apartments and many different owners. It is quite unlikely that at the end of the contract, every owner will vote to not renew the contract. Be careful in assuming the use of the property will become normal residential at the end of the contract. Many a person has been stung by this assumption.

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    Never mind about the price. It’s not a great investment proposition. Just looking at the holding costs quoted in the ad, it is cashflow negative even if you bought the place without a mortgage.

    38067-31611-3604-5922 = – $3070 per annum. That’s a loss of $3070 per annum, even if you bought the property for cash without the burden of mortgage repayments.

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    This is dodginess at its finest. Selling something overpriced so the pricetag gets recorded as a “precedent” for all and sundry to see and use as a benchmark for current prices in the area, and refunding a portion to make it all fine with the purchaser after the fact. However it’s mortgage fraud, pure and simple.

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    APAS have suggested/promoted OTP style properties that will be negatively geared at a cost of no more than $100-$150 per week out of pocket expense to us.

    Wow ouch. You’re happy to lose that much per week? That is a decent amount to be out of pocket every week. Also it will be worse if you were suddenly not working and had no income to gear against. Also it’ll make getting your subsequent investment properties much harder because your ability to service the loan with your available income will be severely compromised.

    Often OTP properties that are recommended to you earn the recommending party a nice hefty commission.

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    There is such a thing as your happy number. A number which means your portfolio is neutrally geared or close enough, or it is a bit positively geared or whatever. Or the cashflow position allows you to sleep at night without the fear of the interest rate doubling on you.

    Sometimes it is a good thing to say “you know what, I’m happy with that. Yes the rate could get better after I make this decision, but if it got worse it would cripple me”.

    There is a rate that allows you to sleep at night and/or enables you to continue with your investing plans rather than lock you out of your plans.

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    It might help to understand the motivation… or lack thereof… behind the property manager’s approach.

    Firstly, if the property manager is an employee, they are more than likely on a fixed salary. No extra cashola if the landlords are happy or if the rentals are achieving higher rents. It is MUCH easier to rent things out cheap. Less open for inspections which equals less work for the property manager. It is highly unlikely they get paid extra money if they have to put in more hours to get a particular property rented out. Not saying this excuses apathy, but it goes some way to explaining why the results might be as they are.

    Second, a rent roll has a value. Not just the income it produces. It is an asset that can be borrowed against, or indeed on-sold. So long as things are rented out then excellent. There is not a massive difference on the value of the rent roll if you fetch an extra $10-$20 per week on a particular property.

    This doesn’t help fix the dilemma you address in your original post, but hopefully helps you understand the motivation of folks behind the scenes. It is not reasonable to expect a property manager cares more about your property just because you do. The wage a property manager earns is not huge, and in return for their troubles they work in an environment where they get their fair share of abuse. A bit of courtesy and gratitude to your property manager can go a hell of a long way and may mean they care that bit more about your property over someone else’s in the portfolio. Food for thought.

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    This is a great thread. A dilemma that is not uncommon, so I think it will be re-read by plenty of folks sifting for answers in the future. Great straight-to-the-point answers from Terry also :)

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    Also if you subdivide first your council rates are likely to go up by a decent amount as you’ll have two titles.

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    This belongs in the finance forum. Admins any chance of shifting it?

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