Thats what I thought. Like you say if all assets are held in a trust then the executor will really have no role in relation to any aspect of the managment/transfer of the wealth. If there happens to still be an executor appointed by the testator in the will then that person may still be involved in organising the funeral and a few other things like that.
However, if there are assets which are not part of the trust. (Such as a family house which are typically often not included in trust structures for capital tax purposes). Then the executor will be given the responsibility in executing those assets to the beneficiaries in accordance of the will. <br /:)” title=”>:)” class=”bbcode_smiley” />
Ive just been reading a little online about the executors role upon death of the testator. My father said that my grandad once said he was the executor.
"What are an executor’s responsibilities?
In general terms, an executor's duty is to take charge of the deceased's assets and property, see that the funeral and administration expenses as well as debts and taxes are paid and finally to distribute the assets to the beneficiaries in accordance with the will.
You will have to begin by finding out and making a list of everything the deceased owned or was entitled to. The list could include a home, car, money, bank or building society accounts, furniture, household appliances, jewellery, shares and other investments, insurance policies, superannuation, and holiday pay from work. In addition, if the estate is to be divided between a number of beneficiaries, the assets may have to be valued.
Next you will have to apply to the Probate Registry of the Supreme Court for a grant of probate. Probate is an order of the court saying that the will is valid and that the executor has the right to administer the estate.
When applying for probate you will need to complete a number of forms which are prepared by your Solicitor or are available in blank form from a law stationer. You will also need documentary evidence of death, proof of proper signing and attestation of the will, and details of assets and liabilities
What do I do after probate is granted?
Once probate has been granted, the executor must collect the deceased's assets and take steps to pay the funeral and administration expenses and any debts or taxes – including income tax – the deceased owed.
In view of possible liability for capital gains tax, it is important to find out the date and cost of acquisition of the deceased's assets.
Funeral expenses are to be paid first and there is a particular order in which any other debts must be paid. After funeral expenses are paid, the executor is entitled to payment of any actual expenses incurred relating to the administration of the estate before other debts are paid.
Once debts have been paid, assets are either distributed according to the terms in the will or they are sold so that money can be divided among the beneficiaries.
As executor you might have to contact financial organisations and companies in which the deceased had money invested in order to realise those assets, and become involved in selling various pieces of the deceased's belongings such as jewellery, a boat or car.
A bank account may need to be opened, in the name of the estate, into which all funds belonging or due to the estate must be deposited and from which debts must be paid.
When and how are the assets distributed?
When all assets have been identified and, if necessary, sold to raise cash, and all debts have been paid, the remainder of the estate can be distributed to the beneficiaries.
The executor may distribute the assets if at least six months has passed since the date of the deceased's death and a notice has been published requiring anybody with a claim against the estate to provide particulars of the claim with a specified period – not less than 30 days.
The executor must prepare a distribution report and statement for the beneficiaries – given to them when they receive their share of the estate – showing what the assets were, how much money resulted from any sale of assets and what expenses and debts were paid from the proceeds.
Where an executor is applying to the court for commission for his/her administration, detailed accounts have to be filed at the same time with the Probate Registry and all payments and receipts by the executor properly approved"
What I dont understand is that if the assets are held in a trust structure then the assets should remain in the trust after the death of the testator. In this case why would you even need a executor to apply for a probate in order divide the estate between the beneficiaries? Should that not reamin the job of the trustee?
Oh, I was just curious about the certificate of title as I didnt really know what it means and they only told me by chance. I thought seeing as I knew there was one it may give me more leads to help understand the structure of the trust. Apparently not as they wont give me any names, rather only tell me that there is one. Not sure how much information the accountant will tell me. Have to wait and see
Rang solicitor and accountant. Solicitor has copy of will and also a certificate of title to a property. I am quite certain the accountant has a copy of the trust deed, she however is going to have a look for it and im calling her later today to find out more.
Terry what do you know about the certificate of titles to properties?
I think it would be a bit risky making a minor appointer anyhow. Thats a lot of responsibility esp seeing as that means the minor could replace the trustee. Probably not a good idea.
So you can change appointers without resettling the trust.
Can you change trustees and directors without resettling the trust?
Sounds like I will need some time to read through and disect the trust deed. Also, if the solicitor has a copy of the trust deed, then may I make a copy of it with the permission of the trustee? He may say I can only have look at it. I might have to take some photos… hopefully grandad has a copy
Okay, sounds like a bit of a process. For the time being I will just focus on getting the role of appointer transfered to me or my father. Then I need to figure out how the other one of us may become director
I think you are confusing yourself again. If the company is the trustee then your grandfather is probably just director.
down the track you wouldn't want to be trustee as there is some risk to taking on the role and you would also have to change title deeds to all property of the trust. Best to get a company as trustee and you be director of the company and control its shares.
Also, if at some point down the track dad becomes appointer then he is able to change the deed so I become director of the company which controls shares of the estate?
Thats what I said, I said I think my grandfathers company is the trustee and grandfather is the director. Just let me know one thing for sure. Can the director change the trust deed or not?
Okay, yeh I said I think my grandfather is the director and the company of my grandfather is the trustee. Okay in that case my grandfather is able to change the deed.
Also if I can convice my grandfather to make me or my father the next appointer then once it occurs say for example my father is the appointer then he may employ me to become the trustee at which point we take control of the trust. Then which ever one of us is the trustee is able to determine who is to be beneficiaries and how much they receive, ect.
Additionally either one of us or both are able to also be beneficiaries at the same time, correct?
Okay well what if my grandfather is not the trustee? Then I have to make contact with the trustee of the trust which may be a representative of a company…..
Considering the price how nessasary do you think the kit really is? I mean cant I just change the trust deed with the permission of my grandfather?
Also, noticed they have an alternate name for the appointer, principal. I was reading a book on family trusts last night were they refered to it as guardian. Wish they would just make up their mind, lol.