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Just a quick point to make here – I don't know exactly how your taxes would be affected as a non-American, but most foreign investors find it easier to buy using an LLC. Simple tasks such as connecting utilities and getting bank accounts opened up (unless you already have one) will be much easier with an LLC. You will need to obtain an ITIN number (personal tax ID) and an EIN number – company tax ID, but pretty much any incorporation agent or individual willing to spend some time can do so.
Liability – this can be minimized with the right policy even for an individual but an LLC can certainly help you.
Taxes – LLC's pass thru their income to the owners and the profits have to be declared on your 1040 – Individual return. As far as what I know, this tax is then offset against your Australian tax, but you need to pay US taxes on US income, although (in our experience) you can write off more expenses thru an LLC than as an individual.
State registration – Above posters are right in that a Florida LLC can own property in Nevada etc, they just need to register with each states Division of Corporation that austhorises them to do business in that state. This is a really simple process
Quit claims – Yes you can quit claim for a nominal fee from yourself to your LLC, or vice versa, as long as there is nothing in your mortgage that would prohibit that – but for a cash purchase, no problem.
I have to agree here with previous poster – few areas of the country present more opportunities, and more pitfalls, than Florida. We are big on the areas that we expect to recover the fastest, Palm Beach, Broward County (parts of it) and some other areas in the South West, where the money was going back in the day.
I'm really not big on Orlando and the surrounding area, there are some communities there where you can do deals and we've done a few, but in general it has way too many second homes sitting empty for us to really look at it, and there is a huge shadow inventory there as well. For decent cash flow you can do well in Orlando, but my personal opinion is you will get better growth in other areas.
If you look at the peak prices, as well as prices over a longer period of time, you will see what I am saying about South Florida vs. Central Florida. Important in FL is also to look at the school districts, as public schools in FL are some of the worst in the country.
I don't know enough to speak about Lehigh – Cape Coral is great for speculation in my opinion with the drop in prices, although you'd need to have a long term outlook and be willing to see some short term price swings.
I agree with Kevin's post above, that the E2 is probably the most suitable in a case like this.
Just be advised that the E2 visa does not have a path to permanent residency or U.S. Citizenship, and needs to be renewed, if I am correct, every 2-5 years. Once you sell your business, you need to leave the United States, no matter how long you have been in the country for. I know of a restaurant owner in Miami we used to do business with who came over on an E2 when he was 23, ran the restaurant until he was 54 when he sold it, and had to leave the country within 90 days. At that point – he had no other "home" to go to, as he considered himself American, but that's the law.For those owning a business overseas – moving to the US using an L1 (transfer/exec) visa is a better option (my personal opinion, I am not a lawyer) as this one is supposedly a bit more straight forward, does not require a large investment, and can lead straight to a Green Card.
I suggest you follow Kev's advise and seek legal advise in this case, as US immigration is VERY complicated!
Nigel,
That’s your opinion, and you’re entitled to that. But rather than just racking down on Detroit (and yes, I did laugh to myself when you based your research on 8 mile) why don’t you tell people what to do then? I know you are pushing your assumable mortgages and I don’t mind that, but you still did not answer what has been asked by numerous people of you, how you get the bank to sign off on those deals, as even back in the good days the banks were very reluctant to agree to let anyone assume financing, never mind an out of country investor?@ Nigel:
I don’t want to sound like a broken record here, but every single city in the U.S. will have many different markets, all with different characteristics. We operate nationwide and have done so for the last six years, and Michigan is one of the states where our investors have the most success. I can also personally assure you that none of the deals we sell (or enter into for ourselves) are in areas where “nobody lives” but in areas that are really no different from other areas in cities across the country.@ Dan:
Yes Oakland County is great and a beautiful place to be, we’re actually considering moving up there in a while!
How many deals – well, we got into Michigan middle of last year, and it’s higher than 20 and less than 99Ok, I a not sure what the taxes are exactly, and without the address I can’t find out. Figure they might be $1800 annually ($150 per month) as well as a management fee of 10%, your insurance will be $700 or so per annum, depending on what level of coverage you want.
You also need some maintenance, but based on the above, your net would be $1100 a month, making it a net yield of 16%.That is a good return even when you need to allow for vacancies and reserves etc, assuming that $80.000 is an all inclusive price and that the property has just been rehabbed.
Dan,
Thanks a lot for your views – like you said, it makes a lot of sense when someone from the city itself comments on the post.
Fully agree on the negative coverage vs. what is actually going on, I’ve been to Detroit quite a few times and I’ve been positively surprised, both by the opportunities, but also by the pride that still exists of being from Detroit.You mention Dearborn and surrounding areas, we have also invested (mainly in rehabs for quick resale) in areas like Oak Park and other more affordable parts of oakland County as I just see them as more of a “safe bet”, are you familiar with those markets also?
Hi Crusty,
I am familiar with Connecticut (have lived there in the past) although I am not that familiar with Groton. I know Pfizer (medical company) have a research facility there and if I remember correctly, there is a branch of Connecticut University (or University of Connecticut) there as well, which I guess could bring a strong rental market.
If those returns of $1.500 a month are your net returns you’d be getting a great yield, do you know if that is net or gross?
If you’d like, drop me an email and I can look at it and also try and check with our local partner in CT?Hi Kimberley,
I think 6 weeks is certainly enough to get a feeling for what the markets are doing, and what properties are available.
Off course, you always need to do your due dilligence and make sure you are not paying too much – it’s important to look at comparable sales, rentals, and like James rightly pointed out – to decide what you really want to get out of it.Just like James, we are an investment firm with 6 years experience just in the US markets (we previously did also US + international) and we always try to get the investors “profile” right. Basically if you want income, there’s one set of areas to look at.
If you primarily want growth, there are other areas. For a mix of both… well, another set againI do applaud you for going out there to explore for yourself, let me know if we can assist – we are based in the U.S. but we also have a local office in Australia.
That is a useful tool, thanks for sharing James.
Although I have ALWAYS said NEVER to use Zillow when looking for a valuation (it’s useless) you can find previous sales of a specific property on there in most cases, and also of comparable sales.Off course, most U.S. counties will also show previous sales on their website, although it might be a little more cumbersome to find in many cases.
Hi Angel,
Just responded to your email – there’s plenty of things we can do in that departmentAngel,
To answer your question – no, unfortunately you can’t use a credit card to buy the home.
The way a closing happens, the title company (takes care of the closing etc) will require you to send funds in by wire (a check won’t work either if it’s above 10K) so there is really no good way of doing it by card unfortunately.Hi Angel,
I guess the first thing I’d need to point out – and I really don’t mean to sound patronising or like a smart ass – is that Buffalo, Syracuse, Rochester etc are VERY different from the New York most people know. You’re a good 6-7 hours away from Manhattan and New York City once you get up there, and the market is very different.
Even though the state has a large growth in population, this is mainly focused on the Metro area of New York City and the nearby counties of Westchester as well as Nassau and Suffolk counties on Long Island. Many people based in Upstate New York are leaving – or trying to leave – in the same fashion you hear about people leaving Michigan etc.
There are some jobs in the Albany area, due to this being the state Capital, and this area might not be bad although prices are higher.To answer your question on crime – it’s pretty bad, but it’s certainly no worse than parts of Detroit, Newark, NJ, Philadelphia or any larger city with areas of poverty. I wouldn’t be so worried about this, but property crime can be an issue, although we didn’t have more (or less) problems in NY state than anywhere else.
In my opinion, the main thing we look for is capital income, and there are higher yields in many other areas, which also offers a better Section 8 program. In New York State, it’s not quite as generous as many other areas.One of our focus areas is Indianapolis – it will have the Superbwl next year which has seen a large influx of Federal dollars to “clean up” many areas of the city, property is cheap (you get a good rental for around $30K) and there are still some good businesses located in Indy, as well as a lot of Government jobs, being the State Capital of Indiana.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but we are still quite active in areas of Detroit – I need to point out though, it’s just small sections where we’d buy, which is far from what you might see and hear in TV. The yields are always in excess of 14%, and like DetroitDan has said on some posts, you need to really know Detroit, but once you do, in my opinion there’s nothing like it in the US for income.
We are also active across a number of other midwestern states – let me ask you, is income your main driver, or are you looking for a mix of income and growth?
Absolutely agree with previous poster, as far as that any funds you invest into Detroit should be all cash deals. However, I’m also of the opinion that you should employ this strategy pretty much nationwide, unless you are really buying at the higher end of the market, at which point you might wish to leverage.
We still really do not know where prices are headed, be that in Michigan, Florida, New York or any other state, so investing without leverage, while giving yourself an option to re-finance later on, is the best way to look at it in my opinion.
While not perfect, the Section 8 program provides a good income from the US Government, and in my opinion, it is as safe, if not safer, that private rentals in other parts of the country.Hi Angel,
Let me ask you, is there a specific reason why you want to consider Syracuse and Western NY markets?
I am (somewhat) familiar with the areas as we did a few deals up there with some clients of ours, the yields are good, although property values can be a problem as there is not a very vibrant resale market.
There are other areas across the Midwest (not just Detroit..) that offers , in my opinion, better prospect of both high income, as well as capital preservation and possibly also capital growth.Nigel,
Interesting to hear about the finance deals, I posted in a few other threads (and I have seen other people do it as well) asking how you get the banks to agree to a deal like that where the new owner assumes the financing, as even in the “good days” the requirements were very strict for who they allowed to do so.
Also if there is a fee paid ($20-$30K) I have seen mentioned – where does that go? If the owner is walking away from the mortgage anyway I don’t see why they would be entitled to this, the bank obviously won’t get these funds either?
I think a lot of people would be interested to hear how it works, as legally assuming a mortgage is a great option for many.In my opinion, a month isn’t nearly enough – I’m American myself with 6 years “on the ground” and I still learn every day!
TH,
That’s a good question, and I think you could probably do something like that both on a rental and a “seller finance” deal.
It might be a better idea to increase the deposit you are asking for, say you did 1.5 months + a security deposit (so on a $1500 rental, you’d get $2.250+ whatever you wanted for appliances) than to put it down as a separate item. Most rental agreements are just really standard contracts (happy to send you one or two that we usually deal with) and as soon as something deviates from what people are used to, alarm bells seem to go off!Unfortunately, you also need to keep in mind that some tenants are just really short for cash which might affect their ability to pay a large deposit to be able to move in.
Another thing to consider is a Lease to own contract, in my experience those homes are usually looked after very well, as the condition of the property is absolutely crucial 2-3 years down the line when it comes to applying for a mortgage.
Rosa,
I know this is an old thread, but you really hit your nail on the head right at the end there. Most of these firms (I can’t speak specifically for IPIN) and really only interested in extracting some sort of membership fee from you, and then try to go ahead and make a commission on a sale to you.
My advise would be to take your time to do research and speak to as many people as you wish – if someone tries to push you into a commitment too soon – I think you know what to doI have to second the question asked by Troy, and I have also raised the same question with regards to someone on this forum (don’t remember the post) that was offering assumable financing in Texas.
My first question is, how do you deal with the bank assuming the loan – in our experience, they are usually not that happy with that, and
second: if, as the case was with the Texas program, there is a $20K payment made, who makes that money? If the current owner is letting you take over his mortgage payments, most likely he is in default or close to anyway, so you’re really doing him a favour by assuming the mortgage.
I know the second question doesn’t apply to you, but just in case somebody picks up on it…While that is true – I wouldn’t necessarily give up on Detroit just yet. For some investors, it is a great fit.
I fully agree that there is no capital growth in Detroit – even if the auto makers come back, growth will be in the wealthy suburbs in Oakland County, just north of Detroit, as that is where all/most of the executives and key workers would like to live.However, there are still some pockets in Detroit that are doing really well, and also don’t forget that the Section 8 program in Detroit is more generous than elsewhere in the country, and due to the job situation, there are more people waiting for a home using this program than anywhere else in the nation.
Granted, your insurance premium will be higher than anywhere else, but your income will be good – if you’re looking for capital growth or a “trophy” home, I can point you to 49 other states, but if you’re looking for income, then Detroit might be the place.