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    PaulDobson wrote:

    Hi Herb

    To get your borrowing capacity "back into shape" I'd be tempted to go with duckster's suggestions above, i.e. sell one of the properties.  But, instead of selling it traditionally, sell it with an Instalment Contract (IC).  This type of sale would get you an upfront deposit, fixed positive monthly cash flow of at least $500 per month (after all expenses) and fixed capital gain.

    With all expenses covered on the place you sell with the IC, you'll still have at least $500 per month to support the other properties.  It may even be worthwhile selling the other under-performer as well, i.e. turn the under-performers into cash cows and, with your new found serviceability, research other ideas that appeal to you.

    Cheers,  Paul

    Herb, Thank you. I have been waiting for something out of left field. I have been losing sleep. Not over the debt but trying to think of ways to make more money..( & keep the properties too). But I am resigned to selling if it helps me motor along.
    Im not sure I understand the benefit of what you are suggesting. Why get the payment in installments when I can get it all at once (at settlement)? I will have excess funds but still have high LVR so banks wont look at me and it sounds like it would be along process. Although if the client cant settle, I get to keep ther deposit & funds I have accumulated along the way. Also how to I get fixed capital gain.

    Do you mean sell it for a higher price but to someone (like myself) that cant get finance traditionally?
    Im excited  to learn more about this . I had a quick look at your vendor finance website. Seems like there is alot of comlpliance issues to do it? Does that men it needs to be done for me by a professional who is licensed?

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    Dukster: Thank you for responding. You make sense.  I wasnt sure where to put the proceeds as I have some NTED as you will see below. I like the idea of  using the proceeds to pay down debt on another investment property  (say Melbourne)That would help a lot with reducing LVR & bringing it close positive geared.

    I do have a PPR also, so some would say put the cash there but  I intend to make it an IP later anyway so really have no interest in paying it down, although the banks would look more favourably at me if I did I guess. I would only put excess cash into an offset a/c attached to PPR which doesn't count as paying the PPR down from any lenders perspective.

    I know its best to have more debt against IP not PPR but paying down Melb would help with cashflow because its is an issue that I dont want.

    Good point you made about the Beach unit. It might make gains but like you pointed out, its costing more in yearly shortfalls than the gains will likely be anyway.

    I have mostly been a lo doc borrower for investing. Whenever I saved 20%, I bought with no real strategy for the short term, only long term growth but now Im impatient and want to create value myself after reading & researching value add strategies. Cashflow is becoming an issue as I have been paying the outgoings on the 3 investment properties from my PPR LOC. My idea was to re-finance all to 90% using full-doc to get cash out to create a separate LOC to get 5%-10% deposit to invest from as well as interest cap existing investments while directing all income from the properties to my home loan to assist with PPR debt reduction and cash flow. The idea was to buy & renovate a few props along the way & buy or create cash flow positive property to offset shortfalls on my 3 current investment properties. Even though the shortfalls are tax deductions, I only really save 10K in tax yet the cost to me is around 30K per year so Im still out of pocket 20K. I realise now that for the best tax benefits, it needs to be from depreciation not from me forking out for maintenance & body corp etc. So also part of my future plan would be to build to have the depreciation to offset some tax.
    For now, I want to get get lump sums of cash to pay down something- I have plenty to chose from- 1-PPR, 2- get rid of some other large non tax effective debts. Embarrassed to say my credit card debts are rather huge (38K) plus I have tax debts to repay(approx30K on payment plan) CRINGE!!

    Unfortunately, my income isnt showing enough to re -finance to get cash out using full doc or to borrow any more money.

    I cant use equity in current properties to go lo-doc as there isnt enough equity.

    Thats why selling seemed my only option.

    Perhaps selling prop number 2 is the go as I wont have any CGT & can get the 60K deposit back out. That not really enough to buy back in with though unless I look regional mining town with high rents maybe?

    All my properties have had rent increases recently and are:

    Prop 1- 395K (bank valuation) Melb unit
    Paid 225K 10yrs ago
    Owe 307K (due to re-fi)
    Rent $385 week (shortfall costs me 8K per yr)

    Prop 2- 300K (if Im lucky)QLD unit beach view
    Paid 295K 3yrs ago
    Owe 239K
    Rent $365 week (shortfall costs me 11K per year) Body corp over $100 week!!

    Prop 3- 190K Qld Unit on Canal (possible development site)
    Paid 180K 4yrs ago
    Owe 171K
    Rent $230week (Shortfall cost me 3K per year)

    PPOR 415K
    Paid 395K 15mths ago
    Owe 317K LOC 323K interest only

    As you can see, quite Im in quite a pickle. Im actually already at 79% LVR ..

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