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    If you want to make huge profits and secure your future,  Dump all your paper (Cash,  Bonds,  Shares)  As the world will soon realise paper is worthless and exchange it for Precious metals,  Either gold or silver,  These resources are so precious and finite,  If Gold was shared to everyone in the world everyone would only have 1 ounce each,  This shows you in how short supply it is.

    You can print all the monopoly money in the world but it will still be worth nothing soon,  Every paper currency in the histroy of the world has had its value eventually go to 0,  Because people eventually realise its a fraud.  It looks as if the dollar will collapse sooner rather then later,  You don't want to retire next year with only enough paper to buy a few loafs of bread.

    Gold and Silver has a huge catching up to do to account for all the compounding inflation there has been in the last few dacades

    I have been warning of what is happening today on this forum months ago and everyone laughed and mocked my statements,  Now the combined stocks of the world are loosing 3-5% a week,  This is 1929 stuff yet people still are not waking up.

    Educate yourself as fast as you can and protect yourself from the comming ecconomic collapse.

    Remember,  Knowing the truth is power,  Living in a bubble of doubt and unknowing will result in fear and panic once the S%^ hits the fan

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    Rates went down to 2% in America,  Did that stop the market collapse ?

    Cutting the rates will create massive inflation,  Wages will stay the same but the cost of living will hit through the roof

    This is just another step in the direction of world slavery,  Take note to what I say now,  Kevin Rudd will address the public at some point in the near future,  probably 2009,  and tell us that in order to save our ecconomy we need to embrace a one world bank and one world currency in a cashless society using microships to record your money.

    If you protest against this,  the newly armed police will zap you will 50 000 volts from there tazer guns and say your with alkida,   you will be charged as a terrorist (Because you disrupted public orer) and then your chip will be turned off and you won't be able to purchase anything. anyone remember Sir Johannes Bjelke-Petersen ?

    You can believe its far fetched as much as you want,  But this is the future.  And no,  Im not trying to stir panic or fear just education people to reality,  This plan has been publicly known since the 70's

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    And this is exactly the kind of thing I have been talking about and warning people of,   This so called "Investment" (Money that is invested with an expectation of profit) is draining your capital and its obviously taking a strain,  wait untill you have to start repairing and replacing things in your rental house.

    If this was not a big drain on your budget and you where confident you could continue paying it off untill the lifetime of the loan I would say keep it,  But from the sound of things this is not the case.  You don't want to struggle paying this liability off for another 2 years and then have the house repossessed by the bank and loose everything you have put into it.  Remember if things go according to my predictions then you won't have bundles of equity to renegotiate or consolidate,  Take this into consideration.

    There will be people who will flame me and try and suggest you should continue to tread water because property doubles every 7 years and we live in a magical land of endless booms where the cost of infinite price increases of property is something that is sustainable untill the end of time.

    Don't listen to utter illogic,  The only reason property should increase in price is to adjust for the lost purchasing power of our currency through inflation tax,  Houses where ment to be lived in,  not to make people rich.

    You should learn a costly lesson from this experience,  The only way to become rich is through the accumulation of wealth,  there is no other quick fix solution,  It's something that comes slowly.

    Good luck in the future and I hope you make the right decision.

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    It is not the end of the world,  Im certainly not trying to convince anyone of that,  The sun will still rise everyday no matter if the dow jones is 10 000 or 2000

    What I am trying to warm people of though is that the central banksters and the many many many corrupt people in western governments (Including) Australia are trying to bring us apon ecconomic martial law,  This collapse is not just by random chance,  This is all planned in a bid to take over the whole financial markets.

    Just think about it,  The banks that create money out of thin air are going bust and governments are forcing through laws so that all the taxpayers have to bail them out….  The banks have been creating huge inflation and using it to by up all the real assests of the world,  Gold mines,  Oil fields,  Roads,  Factories,  Local Banks,  Governments,   Everything !  And now they are going to create money to lend to us (The Taxpayer)  so we can give it back to them,  and we will pay interest on it !  this is insanity and corruption of the highest level! 

    Today our dollar has sunk to 74c And everybody should be expecting to see it fall even further every time the privately owned Reserve Bank Australia decides to lower interest rates,  and ruin our ecconomy!  

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    harb wrote:
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    I don't want to sound hypocritical to my previous posts but Silver bullion bars might be a better alternative to safehousing your purchasing power then gold

    Hahaha, trying to flog your silver bars in a property forum.  So what  happened, did your silver bars crashed AND found out that  they don't produce any yield ? If you didn't like property should have left your money in the bank instead, at least you'd be getting all of it back plus some interest for your trouble. Now you are left with  something that can only be used as door stoppers, at least until the next time there is panic and rednecks decide to head for the hills loaded with baked beans and silver.

    Precious metals have been used as money since the start of time,   they held value thousands of years ago and a few kg's of gold has the same value of a house,  I would be interested if you know of any better ways of guaranteed safeguarding of purchasing power in a smaller package,  please tell us!

    Gold and Siliver has stood the test of time,  Tell me one fiat currency which has done the same ?

    According to my knowledge every single paper money in the history of the world has eventually lost ALL its value and become nothing more then what it really is,  Paper.

    Though im sure im wrong again,  i will await your response as to which PAPER currency's have lasted throughout the ages.

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    Well I could go on to explain why this happens for many pages but I don't have the time at the moment,  But the fact is that every bubble bursts,  Thats just how it works.

    If you really want to explain it in a short and crude sentence,  Bubbles burst because people get to a point where they just can't keep buying things or increasing there debt any longer,  people have a habbit of going as far as they can,  right to the edge of the cliff so to speak, People start falling off and the ones that are not are struggling to stay on.

    It is at this point that the bs stops and things start to unwind,  Once the spring has been contracted so far it will shoot back in the opposite direction,  Once that happens you can't just stop it and start pushing it down further again,  you have to let it completely run its course before you can start again.

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    I don't want to sound hypocritical to my previous posts but Silver bullion bars might be a better alternative to safehousing your purchasing power then gold

    1: Silver is worth less then gold and is thus more practical as a form of money

    2: Silver is used in many industrial processes,  which makes it a manufacturing commodity

    3: To my knowledge,  If you purchase gold in Australia you have to register your gold with the government,  So they always know you  have it

    4: In the 1920's the government banned ownership of gold and bought it back at an undervalued price,  $22 ounce if I remember correctly,  If economically things get really bad and we see bank runs ect,  its very likley the government will force you to give up your gold to "Save" the country.  Does anyone still remember when the government disarmed the people only a few years back with the new gun control act?

    5: Silver is currently severely undervalued at the moment,  When the stock market is booming it pushes commodity and precious metals down,  subsequently when the stocks fail and people realise the stocks worth is as valuable as the paper there written on,  commoditys and metals will no longer be suppressed,  $30+ an ounce for silver won't be surprising in 2009

    But I don't want you to just take my word for it,  Do your own private research,  These matters are not as confusing as investment "experts" would try to make you believe.

    If for some reason guarding your own purchasing power in a safe seems more riskier then holding all your faith in a bank that might go into liquidation,  You could look into opening a swiss bank account,  From my knowledge they have the best chances of security within the banking system.

    Just for people who don't know currently in Australia if a bank goes bust there is no government guarantee to any of your money,  You can read on http://www.news.com.au how Kevin Rudd is talking about a bill to guarantee $20 000 if a bank fails here,   Does he know something we dont know yet ?

    Also for people who disbelieve there could be any bank troubles in Australia,  Queenslands bank suncorp is in a serious position at the moment with profit margins,  They are being forced to sell up assests and slash 1500 jobs,  It looks as if they will be bought out by NAB.

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,,24443265-421,00.html

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    I still remember around the year 2000, maybe a little before that when you could buy a house for 120 000,  and lots of people where earning 40-50k a year,  If you saved up hard for a few years you could go buy yourself a house,  stop paying rent and you would be well off.

    Now days houses are 300k+ and most peoples wages would barley cover the repayments,  You will find the majority of home loans have 2 incomes supporting it,  and they are still struggling.

    When prices do eventually crash you will find most people won't have the ability to borrow to purchase a property,  the bargins will fall into the hands of people who already own many houses,  not the people who just want to have a home.

    BusinessGolbal,  I commend you greatly for your own personal success,  going from nothing to something and I know it would not have been easy,  But im just trying to make the point that the people at the bottom right now are in a worse position to become prosperous then any other time since the 30's and I think things will become a lot harder as 2009 roles around.

    The world has been gorging on this huge equity boom for decades, and now the time has come for someone to pay for it all,  and for some reason I don't think it will be the billionaires who will suffer.

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    Of corse you can still make sizable profits the further up in the food chain you go,  But your talking about multi million dollar outlays,  Millions of western people starved,  and the majority of people lived in great poverty during the great depression,  But that didn't stop the rothchilds and other elite familys multiplying there fortunes time and time again did it ?

    Just because houses have sold for 50+ million and others develope 10 houses at once dosent mean that for the majority,  that things are prosperous

    You might be making hundreds of thousands on your house developement but what about the people working on those job sites for $700 a week struggling to pay rent and fuel,  are they just as well off,  or do they have the same opportunitys as you ?

    I think you will find that these people would default on there first house let alone buying 15

    There used to be a time when anyone with a job could buy themselves a house and create there own australian dream,  now that dream is only reserved for doctors, lawyers and people working in the mines

    Note: No, Im not a communist,  So don't even think about calling me one,  Nor am I any other kind of socalist so please refrain from false comments

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    I have to say,  Don't listen to misinformed people,  Or people who have a ulterior motive

    Firstly I have to say that its quite possible that property might fall 50% like Scamp says,  Unlike what most people assume will happen if there is a crash,  Property prices won't go down to a more realistic value,  They will go down beyond there true market value,  It will swing as hard down as it did up,  You will see property at totally unrealisticly cheap prices.

    As for buying now,  anyone who recommends that is telling you lies,  Remember the rule:  Buy low,  Sell high

    you only need look at a chat of property prices since say 2000 and it will clearly tell you that you should have sold your house half way through 2007,  Now is certainly not the right time to buy,  The charts don't lie!  only people do.

    Someone noted how well our banks are doing at the moment,  But the elite money masters of the world at the privately owned RBA are putting there plan into 5th gear,  Interest rates will continue to fall,  But that won't result in a recovery in the property market,  Inflation will rise,  jobs will be lost and people will start defaulting on there debt in continuing greater numbers,  Banks profits will shrink up and eventually they quite possibly could go bust,  People don't realise how similar to the americans our story is folding out,  We are just a few years behind.

    How many people on this forum know that the Rudd government has commited to spending 4 billion dollars of tax payer money towards backing so called "AAA" Mortgages ?  The government told us that intervention was needed to allow banks to continue to loan out more money !!!   Do people realise how this works ?

    Those 4 billion dollars that back private banks will turn that into 10x that figure through the magical process called "Fractional reserve banking"  So basically the banks will create 40 billion dollars   "Not necessarily more home loans,  But anything the banks wish to do with that money" through 4 billion dollars of current debt.

    This is what a strong ecconomy is all about ?,  Debt compiled apon debt and more debt and more and more,  Everytime its compiled its 10x greater then the last.

    Anyone who wishes to make money in these critical times should look at investing in gold,  Everything points towards gold hitting a minimum of $1500 in the next 6 months,  And its arguably been one of the best returning investments in the past decade.

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    Builders,  Plumbers and Electricians are licenced trades,  Anyone doing jobs within these areas needs to be a licenced tradesman,  Anything else can be done by anyone

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    Short Answer: No

    Do some ecconomic reasearch from non mainstream sources and found your own opinion before you take the dive

    And as for hervey bay,  That is where I live,  building has grinded to an almost halt and property prices are stagnating,  It looks as if the prices won't hold there ground much longer

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    Scott No Mates wrote:
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    Bull ? like the property market crashing ? thats not bull thats reality…

    What correction?

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/what-crisis-sydneys-47m-house/2008/09/17/1221330929879.html

    Please tell me what Percentage % of the population could afford a property in this price range,  Then we will apply that same percentage to the relevance this has to the property market,  Im guessing less then 1% ? correct me if I am wrong

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    devo76 wrote:
    I think everyone appreciates a opposing view point but you take it beyond that and end up far from what this forum is about.I personally do not understand why you are here. You do not want to invest in property and you dont want to help others. You just want everyone to convert to your line of thinking and you get worked up when people dont tow the line.

    Thats just my personal observation. I have no idea why you were banned etc.

    I don't think I have made any posts which are far beyond what this forum is about,  And if everyone thinks that Ecconomics and Monetary Issues is non related to Property Investing and Investing in general then obviously Im wrong,  But from where I stand if knowing more about how the system works,  The same system that everyone here wants to make money from either helps them from making a wrong decision or loosing money from rotten investments then I think thats 100% relative to this forum subject

    You say I do not want to invest in property,  I don't know what made you come to that pre conceived idea but it could'nt be farther from the truth,  I think property is one of the soundest investments one can make,  Actually I come from a family that owns both residential and industrial propertys,  commercial office blocks,  thousands of acres of farmland,  mortgages and even shares

    What I am trying to urge people to realise,  actually I don't even care if they realise,  I would be happy if they just sought out the real facts and compare it with histroy to determine there own opinion,  If they done that they could prevent themselves from disaster in these unstable times we are currently in

    If I where not here to help then why would I bother going to such effort to reveal the true facts that are not shown by our privately owned media company's ?  I have no profit to make of any of you,  Im not selling anything or anybody and I don't have any evil hidden agenda,  Im just here to present facts and I have welcomed anybody here to correct me on any which may be false or even argue any of my points to the contrary,  I'm 100% transparent in my mission,  If only the people on the sidelines where aswell

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    Wow,  Could a mod or Steve tell my why my posts are being censored and why my IP was blocked ? I have not broken any of the forum rules or conditions.

    I made another account and made 3 posts before it was deleted and the account blocked,  Now access to my original account has been reinstated ???  Yet I have recieved no warning or notification for doing anything wrong ?

    Obviously for some reason or another my posts from this account (you can check my post history) is causing some kind distress to the people whom are in control of this supposed forum,  Which is cause for concern,  as my posts only relate to factual information about our banking systems and theses about the future of the Australian housing market and the ecconomy in general

    But why would information and conversing about these subjects be of any concern to propertyinvestment.com management ? after all this is a investment forum right ? or perhaps censoring the truth is bad business for propertyinvestment.com ? Lets face it,  Steve has set this site up to make money,  so if posts where made to contradict his personal opinion that could have a possible bad effect on his web generated profits ?  But obviously I could'nt assure that as no one has spoken to me or informed me that oposing the views of steve will get your IP address blocked

    But what other possible reason could there be ?  I was thinking and well.. We all know that the internet in Australia is government censored and soon there will be Internet2 which will bann all but a few thosand government approved sites,  All other sites will not be avaliable to the Australian public,  so maybe its possible that someone with a special agenda who has seen my posts has ordered him to stop my access to this site ?  But why ?  who could possibly be out there that would care whether I post information such as the RBA is a privately owned bank or that the housing bubble was artifically created and that soon it will all come to a big end,  Especially if everything I say is false ?

    Really I couldnt tell you why Propertyinvesting.com has gone to the effort to stop me getting the facts out to all the people who participate on this site for Investing or Ecconomic knowledge,  Untill such time that they tell me what I have done wrong I will have to sit and wonder…

    Oh and just for you special people reading this,  Continuing to stop me from exposing the truth will only result in more negative publicity against the affiliates of this site and there franchises,  Especially if my ISP is involved to try and Censor me

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    Equity is just another smart way for banks for make money from you… "be smart, use your house as equity"

    you will pay lower interest rates on a equity loan rather then say a 13% car loan, also the loan term with equity is much longer…

    Its really good because after your house magically becomes worth double a few years after buying it (Even though the actual house is now older and more worn then it was when you bought it) you can use that new magically wealth that came out of no where that no one has to earn to purchase all the toys you ever wanted,  or that special holiday to fiji.

    But what happens when you loose that 100k pa resources boom job ? its allright because the bank will take back all those toys along with your house that you thought was yours,  but really was owned by the bank…

    Equity is almost like selling your soul for a piece of cake,  Its good while your busy eating the cake but once the cake is gone so is your soul.

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    Anyone who tells you positive news about the housing market is deceiving you,  the Average house will not be $600,000+ in 5 or even 10 years time.

    Wages increase over the past 10 years have been 1.5% pa, The current average australian wage is 55k taking compounding into account in ten years the average wage will be $63,829.75

    The average australian on the average wage will not be buying 600 000+ houses,  don't believe the bs

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    The fact is inflation is much higher then 5%,  my figure was only as an example,  Even in a term deposit your purchasing power will deteriorate,  Also the government will tax you on your so called "profits"  Even with a 6% term depost your really loosing at minimum 1% per year and people wonder why there superannuation fund can't support them once they retire. The system is designed to blood suck everything out of you untill you die.

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    Steven Keen is 100% right,  The whole western ecconomy is built apon so much debt its almost impossible to comprehend,  Fractional reserve banking is a cancer that has brought us to the brink of a total western collapse,  The western world dosent even produce enough food to feed ourselfs and we don't produce anything,  We are consuming based ecconomys,  and rely of the East to survive.

    Central banks are all privately owned by elitists who have no one to answer too,  Our own government has no power over RBA,  They can do what they like and its there social intervention of artificial interest rates which has caused our housing bubble that is so big,  It alone could totally collapse our whole ecconomy. Not only that credit card debt is australia is now over 50 billion,  double that of only a few years prior,  So to round things up People have 300k+ mortgages car loans, boat loans, bike loans, credit card debt, my god, people even own money for there TV and Washing machine,  Basically we have nothing,  Our wealth is all an imagination and we don't produce anything,  If our food exports stoped tomorrow we would stave.

    While all this false wealth is being circulated banks are creating more false money out of thin air and lending out 10x there deposits which are sold as securitys,  which is used as assests to borrow out even more false money,  even thinking about it makes me sick,  yet everyone on this forum believes we are so wealthy

    In America companys that have been around for 150+ years are going broke,  companys which lasted through the great depression,  yet people still swear there is noooo ecconomic trouble,  everything is fine,  stop thinking and keep consuming.

    So you want to know what to invest into right now ?  absolutely not shares,  you will loose your money,  Also not cash as if hyper inflation sets in it will be worthless.

    Metals are good assets as they can't disappear (unless the government steals it off you, which has happened before) land that is on a natural creek or some kind of unsalty water souce will always be valuable,  also fertile land will be highly valuable

    Last thing,  don't believe the misinformed people who will tell you nothing is going to happen,  Go research it deeply for yourself and form your own opinion,  Learn how our monentary system works and learn the things the government does not want you to know,  things that are not shown on the mainstream news.

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    I never said gold was the one and only uber investment that will make you rich,  What im saying is that Gold is a safe investment that will maintain the same purchasing power over time.  If you have 1kg of Gold bars in your safe,  It dosent matter if the price fluctuates,  because you still have 1kg of gold and its certain it will keep your current level of wealth at the same level over time.

    But its a fact that paper money looses 5%+ value per year,  that is why its called a fiat currency. What would you rather put in a safe and not touch for 20 years ? $100 000 of paper,  or $100 000 of gold ?  After the 20 years your gold would be worth
    $265 000  while your paper is at best worth $35848 that is if it is still worth anything anymore..

    After everything I have said in previous posts not one person has the slightist bit of concern about the current financial system and how private central bank owners are bringing down a collapse of the western world,  Its unblievable,  I guess none of you will take any notice untill its too late,  When unemployment is 30%+  Riots are common place and Martial law is imposed on Australia by Queen Elizabeth

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