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    OMG! You so have me wrong there buddy.  I didn't think I was special by a long shot!

    You may want to re-read the entire thread.  I paid all monies I owed. I never asked for the bond back.  I just thought 20 weeks and 3 days in total to find a tenant was a case of the PM being negligent in its duty to mitagate loss on my end.

    Here we go I will spell it out for you

    I wanted "an order made detemining that the outstanding monies of $1620.84 that I be not liable for due to believing [Property Manager] failed in their duty to mitagate loss."

    Have I made my case clear-er?

    Regardless, the past is the past. I settled and never went to "court" as such with them as they ended up proving to me that they in fact indeed tried to mitigate loss for me.  I'm paying the debt off.. 

    I never thought I was special. That's your judgement call not mine.

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    For the curious,  here are some of the reasons (well the ones I remembered) that was given in feedback to the PM about the unit…. thus making the unit it's own worst enemy:

    The only readily visible staircase is a spiral staircase at the "front" (or street end) of the property.  People would only see and use this spiral staircase during inspections… some of them didn't see the straight stairs at the back of the units where they could easily move furniture into the unit.

    The unit is partly furnished. Alot of people thought partly furnished meant that the bedrooms were furnished not just the living room and bits n pieces in the kitchen. 

    No phone point.

    Whilst a washing machine was provided (part of the "party furnished" aspect) it was situated in the bathroom between the toilet and shower.  Thus the "excess water" from the washing machine (tube) was pointed to empty into the shower… not the best look. It would've been better to just not have the washing machine in the first place (imo).

    The spot where the person would be parking – the carport space alloted the unit – is on a vertical not straight.  I can see how that can be a problem… it was for me!

    Then the whole advertising "one week's rent free" in the advertisement was not exactly the best move marketing wise IMO. Whilst some people would see the word FREE and especially see that one week's rent is FREE in this supposedly tight competative rental market is a positive… I can easily see how this is a negative…  there would've been people going "why are they offering one week's rent free for this property? what is so wrong with it?".

    It actually took them 2 weeks less time than the 20 weeks and 3 days in total it took them to find a tenant.  Just that the person taking on the lease needed to give his current place two weeks notice thus didn't want to take on the new lease after until his old lease had finished (after his two weeks were up) not during it.

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    We ended up settling and thus not really actually going ahead with the whole tribunal. 

    I'll be paying the 'debt' off in installments (an amount i know i can easily afford thus agreed to) over the course of 15 weeks.

    Why?  Well, they showed me more information about the whole she-bang and thus after seeing the information I didn't know about and being informed about it all… well.. it was plainly obvious to me that I had no chance in winning the case.  They had valid reasons (and evidence) why it took them so long.

    They actually had someone lined up in April to take on the lease except the person (at the last minute as such) decided to go with another property.  Then the feedback they received from people inspecting the property (and they had inspections even on a Sunday for a few people) was valid as I knew the problems with the place.

    I always took this whole deal seriously. I paid all monies owed up until this point. I adhered to being bound by the binding nature of the lease. 

    So they put it to me that I am allowed to pay the debt off in installments that I can afford per week (automatically debit-ed from my account starting Friday next week) instead of having to pay the whole $1620 (etc) off in one payment………. which was unaffordable for me.

    So you could say I lost the case yet ultimately I just realised after being filled in on the whole deal that the $1620 (etc) is justified and actually this PM did do all they could at the time to try to get a tenant…   it was just a not ideal unit and thus the unit itself worked against itself from being re-let easily.

    So this whole saga and drama is over. YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Well it is today at 2pm we all shall find out what happens!

    I have been to the Tenant Advice and Advocacy Service locally. I've organised all paperwork on my end. I will (only if the PM does point out the advertisements as 'proof' first) point out that they only put in one advertisement for the month of April… and there are on inconsistencies in their advertising of the property.

    I have my timeline done all correctly in table form on one piece of paper.

    I wonder if they will bargain/negotiate with me prior to the actual hearing today? Granted, I have a figure in mind if they do want to offer me something. I'm willing to pay a certain amount by the end of October (due date) otherwise to court we go.

    I'll post tomorrow or this week the result.

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    For those interested, my hearing date is August 6th @ 2pm.  So it will be awhile before we all find out (including me) as to the verdict.  I've taken this all very seriously and will honour the verdict if it does not rule in my favour.  I'm preparing for it tho' (naturally) I want to win.

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    The fallacy (downfall) of the internet and text based communication.  You didn't see my body language and tone of voice as such so you would never have seen that I didn't mean it in any other way than a helpful one.  A lesson learnt for everyone – don't read "into" the message.. just read it.  Only read "into" the message if there are emoticons etc to make you realise how the person is "speaking" as such.
    <br /;)” title=”>;)” class=”bbcode_smiley” />  I'm not being condenscending just trying to help.. my bad!

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    They had to drop the rent form $250 per week to $230 per week and offered one week's free rent to rent the unit after all this time.  It's location isn't a hinderance as it is located CENTRAL Gold Coast just off the Gold Coast Highway.  So I have to ask what faults were there with the property that made people not want to rent it ?  I know that it didn't have a phone point and is rather small and has the laundry in the bathroom as such….  yet.. woha… 5 months.. that's 3 months (not one) over this particular PM's "normal" time.

    Even two months if far too long IMO.

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    Okay, got an email back from the PM that I'm disputing with ….

    Please find attached a copy of the list of advertising that was done trying to secure a tenant. The owner even agreed to drop the price of rent and offered 1 weeks free rent trying to help with securing a tenant. Under normal circumstances average vacancy period is 2 weeks, during the slower months which unfortunately is when you gave notice it can take upto 2 months for older style properties.

    The advertising shows that it is listed:
    SURFERS PARADISE
    Party furn., 2 bed, 1 bath unit, 1 week rent free…. $230

    with other ads prior to the rent decrease and "1 week rent free" offer

    SURFERS PARADISE
    Partly furn., 2 bed, 1 bath unit, centrally located…. $240

    SURFERS PARADISE
    SURFERS PARADISE
    Partly furn., 2 bed, 1 bath unit, centrally located…. $250

    So it was basically a couple of lines of text amongst other lines of text (other properties).  The $250 per week is what I was paying and have paid so far in re monies owed.

    So according to them it is not "unusual" to have a property go for up to 5 months UN TENANTED ??? 

    I know that all this might show that they tried to mitigate loss yet the 20 weeks and 3 days in total is still rather excessive overall. 

    I have to ask myself what is so wrong with the property that they had to drop the rent from $250 per week to $230 per week with one week rent free?

    Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that in all of those advertisements only TWICE has it got the "OPEN FOR INSPECTION" listed.  That's 11 advertisements with the property listed amongst other properties with the "open for inspection" note (in bold) in only two of them. 

    So does this mean they only had it open for inspection twice in all this time? They had the keys. I gladly gave them back as soon as I signed the break lease to PROVE I wasn't living there.

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    WOHA!  I was answering in good faith. I was trying to be helpful.  Whoops! Please forgive me for wanting to contribute…

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    I would work out what all my costs for the property (ALL costs incl. renovations, repairs, fees, rates, mortgage, etc) were for a whole year then divide that figure by 52 (52 weeks in a year).  Look at that figure and look at the market surrounding your IP… does that figure seem reasonable compared to similiar properties in your IP's region? 

    That's the long and short of it. There are computer softward programs available "out there" that can help you with determining rent price etc.

    As for what to charge an individual and/or a business entity… I wouldn't treat either different as in the end a HUMAN BEING will be living in the IP not "the business entity" .. if you get me.

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    I'm putting applications in to the Small Claims Court.

    I am seeking an order for the termination of my tenancy agreement backdated to [date]. I never moved in to the property due to my circumstances changing. I signed 'Break Lease' documentation on [date]. [Property Manager] wrote to me on [date] stating I owed $1092.96 for rent, advertising etc. That was on top of my $960 bond which they had already claimed for rent etc.  I was under the understanding that the re-letting matter and my liability was then finalised, some 3 months after the re-letting proces started. (I paid the $1092.96 on teh [date].)

    Now I have received further correspondence stating I owe a further $1620.84 as new tenants have been found to move in on [date].  So in ttoal it appears that it has taken the agents 20 weeks and 3 days to re-let.  I believe they ahve failed in their duty to mitigate loss. I have taken my responsibility seriously but think 20 weeks is excessive.

    QUOTED WORD FOR WORD from what I shall be submitting to the Small Claims Court tomorrow (the documentation was done today).  So now after I submit the documentation, I await a date and go from there.  The PM has to proove that they did everything possible to try to re-let this specific unit.

    If they posted a decent advertisement and took plenty of applications (or at least interest) then I will loose the case and have to pay up (and happily will do so).  I will also loose if the "judge" is a by the book type of judge as such.  I will win if the Judge agrees with me that 20 weeks is rather excessive a time for a place to be untenanted.

    So this won't be resolved for another month or longer now.  I did take it all seriously as I paid the $1092.96 as well as rent on the place and gladly gave up the bond..

    Yes, I will be happy to pay the $1620 IF the ruling works out against me. Until then I want to try this action to see what happens.

    This is all very intersting to me as I have never ever had to do this before and I feel this experience will serve me well in the future when I do become a landlord myself…

    I'm not forgetting this whole experience in a hurry.

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    Great news! I FOUND THE LETTER!!! It is ripped in half yet easily read-able still. It is dated 22 May 2007 and the amount it states that I owed at the time of that letter (btw, the ONLY communication until that email that I had ever received from them in all this time – no other letters, no other phone calls, etc) I owed $1092.96 !!!

    I paid that (actually more than that) on 20th June.

    Am I the only one who is dumbfounded it took them 20 weeks and 3 days in total to find a tenant for this particular property? Geeze.

    I have an appointment with the TENANCY ADVICE AND ADVOCACY SERVICE in re my situation on Monday 2pm. I'll update more then.

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    That's the thing… I was NOT paying on the Monaco Street property.  I was under the impression due to the letter I received from their office and subsequently from them verbally as I rang shortly after receiving that specific letter to confirm that I owed that amount…  I had ONLY just paid the other day (20th) the $1107.39 !!  It took me forever to be able to save up that amount of money and pay it off.

    Now I supposedly owe more?!?!  I thought I only owed for four weeks rent that I had not paid on top of the three weeks rent I had already paid for that property?

    Is there anything I can do on my end to find out whether I am getting screwed here or what???

    If you want to know the name of this REA feel free to PM me.  You can bet your bottom dollar I will never ever deal with this REA as long as I live and will make damn sure no one else does as well.

    It took them 20 weeks and 3 days to find a new tenant?!?!?!!?

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    in gratitude as I appreciate the help very very much.

       

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    Xenia wrote:
    Hi gold coast girl, I subscribe to TICA if you want I can check to see if you have been black listed!
    send me an email with your full name, date of birth and drivers license number and I can do a search for you.

    Did that today already via your website contact form I also sent you a PM via these forums.

    Please get back to me asap.

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    Tried again… it's now 2.30pm (ish).  Same recorded message. $16.50 down the tube. 

     

    I don't have money like this to waste!!!

    CAN SOMEONE HELP ME ??????

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    I called the number I have posted in this thread.  I was charged $16.05 for the privelage of phone-ing the number only to receive a message to tell me that all the operators are currently busy I should call back later. It then told me the cost of that phone call and disconnected me.  *shakes head*  That is a rip off!

    $16 down the drain … $16 to be told to call back later. WTF?????

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    That's why I want to contact TICA.

    The REA (Property Manager) in charge of the Monaco St property which I had to break lease on (and never moved within) yet still had to pay rent on until they found someone to take on the lease…. I got a phone call from them on Friday informing me that I owe them four extra weeks rent. I stopped paying rent way back when due to the double rent (paying rent on a place I never moved and/or lived within yet still was on the lease – $250 per week plus the rent on the place I was actually living within – $220 per week) was causing me major financial troubles (it nearly bankrupted me).

    They only contacted me NOW not after the first week I didn't pay rent … so I just want to make damn sure they havn't put me on the TICA list that is all.

    It isn't my fault that it took them7-8 weeks to find another tenant for that property!

    They can be damn sure I would never use them nor recommend them when I do finally become a property investor. When will REAs learn that "today's tenant can become tomorrow's property investor" so the way you treat the tenant will reflect upon whether that tenant may become a client of yours in some way.

    If I could afford to pay those four weeks rent I would have…. I can't!  I just don't have the money. I'm far from being flushed with cash as between that situation and my life (various other happenings that have sucked me dry of cash and/or affected my earnings since I'm self employed) I'm not "rolling in it"… grr!!

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    Supposedly the only way to get the information for free is to inquire via postal mail and to include a stamp self addressed envelope.  It also might take up to 28 days or some such for you to get the "free" information back.

    It's just the like getting your credit report… it can take ages with the "free" alternative or pay a small sum to get the information instantly.

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