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    Thanks guys for your comments. I am going for funding soon. Settlement has been pushed back to August now on vendors request which suits me fine.

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    Thanks Ryan…if I get the plans and permits approved before settlement then they will revalue right?

    I'm planning on living there for at least 6 months to get PPOR and then look to sell or if possible develop…need a bit of extra equity! :) 

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    Hi everyone,

    Thanks for all your advice. It has been really useful. I've decided not to go with apartments for many of the reasons that have been mentioned, in particular: keeping it simple given its my first project, financing for such a large project, resale (as there are a lot of apartments going up in Boronia in the mid term) and the 2-3 years it will take to get town planning approval.

    I've decided to go ahead and get the plan and permits for townhouses and then sell the land with plans and permits (or develop if possible at that stage).

    One question I did have – I've heard that some people do the following: Get plans and permits, get builder lined up, pre-sell the townhouses using two contracts – one for the land and then another contract with the builder for the construction. This way they get the money for the land upfront and also get a better price as they are selling individual townhouses as opposed to land with p&p to a builder. Apparently Knox council allows this as well. I'm thinking this might be a better option for me than just selling land with plan and permits.

    Does anyone have any experience in this? Would love to hear your thoughts.

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    Hi Dave,

    Thanks very much for taking the time to share this. I might PM you and we can chat further.

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    Thanks guys for the feedback. I'm meeting with Anz tomorrow and got a call into cba so ill definitely follow up on the great points you've raised.

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    Thanks Alistair, you're on the money – it was ANZ that I spoke to as they are my current lender. Sounds like I definitely need to do a lot more work on the funding piece and speak to a few other lenders. I've got other equity partners that will come in on the project so I hope this will help the project.

    If I was determined to go ahead with the apartment option what do you think it would take for the banks to lend?

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    Thanks for your comments Richard. I’ve spoken to a big four lender. The commercial lending relationship manager said:
    – they would fund the project based on my model which was conservative and tied into her estimates. I told her it’s my first project and it wasn’t an issue.
    – lvr 80% of cost and 65% of gross completion value
    – presales of 50-70%
    – line fee 1.75%, margin bbsy +1.75% – so all up rate of around 6.15%
    – establishment fee 0.75%
    So much closer to Wilcos estimates.

    I’m meeting up with her next week to firm up my lending estimates. I’ll check with her again to make sure that I can still get finance even though its my first time.

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    Thank mattnz, I’ll check it out.

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    Could anyone recommend a reputed builder and finance broker I could speak to?

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    Hi Wilko1, my pockets are not very deep :) which is why I wanted to consider whether this option is worth the risk given its my first time. If i build ill definitely need to raise some equity.

    Thanks for the interest and build cost estimates. Once I get plans approved and units 70-80% presold. It is only then that i would consider building. Hopefully i can reselll even at that stage.

    If i then chose to build I’m taking on a building risk so I’ll need to find a reputed builder. There is also the risk of the apartments not selling/settling or fetching my required price – so far the apartments in the area are selling (seems to be mainly as investments and also by downgraders and those looking for a cheap home option). Anything will sell I guess at the right price, which is why I’ll need to have enough contingency in my budget.

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    Thanks Wilko1, I would sell most of them, maybe just keep one or two. I'll would prefer a high lvr at current interest rates and may need to pre sell more. There are a lot of units being pre sold in boronia at the moment so there is demand for 2bed apartments. The units would be a more feasible option and require less equity. You've given me food for thought, thanks for the costings too…any idea what it would cost per apartment to build 2 bed medium quality apartments?

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