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    DanielB wrote:
    Did you buy this in the end?  It seems to have sold in early DEC 08 :)  So was just curious how you went with it?

    Hello Daniel, I did buy this property in the end. Am quite happy I did go ahead with this. The recommendations from this thread's posts by various people were fantastic.

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    Hello hbbehrendorff, I think the internal walls could be gyprock. The external is definitely blue board.

    hbbehrendorff wrote:
    I dunno,  I just don't really like the idea of my house being 7.5 mm fiber cement sheeting on the exterior walls… You could break into the house with a little sledge hammer,  And those houses that have the white styrofoam sheeting as exterior walls is absolutely pathetic,  You could make your way into the house with a bic lighter

    It seems as time progresses houses are getting more and more crappy,  I mean whats next,  Plastic roof trusses ?

    Id rather buy a brick veneer house

    Oh, and by the way,  You said the internal linings of the house where also blue board,  Are you sure of that ?

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    Hello Paul, would you be able to give me a very rough idea on how much it would cost to build a house like this (please see link below) today as the agent mentioned that it will roughly cost about $1800 per sq. metre. Is this true? I know this can be the case for a normal single brick veneer type dwelling, but not too sure about the blue board type housing.
    Please help.
    Thanks again.
    Futzy

    futzy wrote:
    Hello Paul, thank you very much for your input and very good explanation. Unfortunately the render is cement based as I am told by the agent. Why would someone chose to build an entire house using blueboard type material? Is it predominantly for cost reasons, meaning the blue board is cheaper than brick?
    The property I am thinking of buying is:
    http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bin/rsearch?a=o&id=105033207&f=0&p=10&t=res&ty=&fmt=&header=&cc=&c=39062653&s=tas&tm=1225842032

    From viewing this property, I am told that this is a steel frame house and all the walls are constructed using blueboard material

    I am now concerned about an entire house of this size being built using blue board.
    Thanks
    Futzy

    pjreno wrote:

    Blue board is a very common material particuarly for upper storey and infill applications as it is light weight (compared to brick work). Blue board is a 7.5mm thick cement sheet product with a blue water resistant coating (hence the name) and is generally used as a base to render over. If done correctly it can be quite reliable and durable. Unfortuantley more often then not Blue board is not installed/rendered correctly and consequently cracks (along joins etc) leading to weatherproofing issues etc. I my self would be very cautious looking at a two storey property clad entirly in blue board. As I said if it has been done correctly you shouldnt have much to worry about. Things to look at would be expansion/construction joints, these need to be every 6m and look like a joint in the sheet that has been 'caulked' with a fleixible sealant. The sheets should be installed vertically, not horizontally. What type of render has been used on the walls? A acrylic/polymer flexible type render should be used rather than a cement based render (cement based renders dont move with the blue board and tend to crack). Hope this is helpful.

    Cheers,

    Paul

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    Hello Paul, thank you very much for your input and very good explanation. Unfortunately the render is cement based as I am told by the agent. Why would someone chose to build an entire house using blueboard type material? Is it predominantly for cost reasons, meaning the blue board is cheaper than brick?
    The property I am thinking of buying is:
    http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bin/rsearch?a=o&id=105033207&f=0&p=10&t=res&ty=&fmt=&header=&cc=&c=39062653&s=tas&tm=1225842032

    From viewing this property, I am told that this is a steel frame house and all the walls are constructed using blueboard material

    I am now concerned about an entire house of this size being built using blue board.
    Thanks
    Futzy

    pjreno wrote:

    Blue board is a very common material particuarly for upper storey and infill applications as it is light weight (compared to brick work). Blue board is a 7.5mm thick cement sheet product with a blue water resistant coating (hence the name) and is generally used as a base to render over. If done correctly it can be quite reliable and durable. Unfortuantley more often then not Blue board is not installed/rendered correctly and consequently cracks (along joins etc) leading to weatherproofing issues etc. I my self would be very cautious looking at a two storey property clad entirly in blue board. As I said if it has been done correctly you shouldnt have much to worry about. Things to look at would be expansion/construction joints, these need to be every 6m and look like a joint in the sheet that has been 'caulked' with a fleixible sealant. The sheets should be installed vertically, not horizontally. What type of render has been used on the walls? A acrylic/polymer flexible type render should be used rather than a cement based render (cement based renders dont move with the blue board and tend to crack). Hope this is helpful.

    Cheers,

    Paul

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    Hello all, this is the property I am wanting to purchase. I had a look at this property and I am very impressed with the design and views. The landscaping needs completion and also a carport or garage, which I will rennovate when I get some money freed up.

    http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bin/rsearch?a=o&id=105033207&f=0&p=10&t=res&ty=&fmt=&header=&cc=&c=39062653&s=tas&tm=1225842032

    The house isn't really that big inside and is quite comfortable and not too hard to maintain. The rooms are of decent size and very good quality fittings. This house is not kid safe. The slope outside is quite steep.

    Would I be able to fetch rent for atleast 400 per week with this property?

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    Hello Mauricio, thanks for the recommendation.

    Can I also ask about people's experience in using the same agency as the property was purchased with? Most of the agents have a sales side and a property management side. Would it be a good thing to have the property managers from the same company mange the investment property?

    mauricio wrote:
    I use Roberts Real estate here is the link
    http://www.robertsre.com.au/glenorchy/
    they are the the biggest R.E agency down there all the state of tasmania
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    This is a good tip Trustieone. Thanks heaps for the suggestion.
    Anup

    trustieone wrote:
    Futzy,
    If you purchase the Oct 08 edition of Australian Property Investing magazine on page 118 there is very detailed information on every suburb in Tassie ie grothe last 10 years, grothe last one year, number of properties sold last year, the median selling price.
    For the sake of 7-8 dollers you will get a very good look at how all the Tassie suburbs have been performing.
    Over the last year things seem very good down there,however some spots have not performed as well as others.
    So bite the bullet & buy the book, you wont be disapointed

    Good Luck

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    Hello Quckchick, thank you for your valuable comments. I do agree with you, I got side tracked with my investment objectives.
    However, I have strengthend my goals now and this property I am looking at is for purely investment only and hopefully capital growth over X number of years.

    My intention on this property I am looking at is not to do any more modifications as it is a 2003 house. There are minor cosmetic work that need to be done in terms of completing the landscaping and eventually putting up a garage.
    The property vendors are in a financial stress and couldnt complete the finishing touches. One of the reasons why the vendors are having to sell quite below what they expected.

    Take care
    Futzy

    quickchick wrote:
    Hi Futzy

    I'm a bit unsure of your reason for this "investment".

    I know nothing of investing in Tasmania. But I do know a bit about investing.
    There are two common reasons to "invest".
    1. To achieve a capital gain.
     2. For positive cashflow.
    3. (Which is dubious in my opinion) to make a loss, ie to negatively gear and thus pay less tax.

    From the info of others above,
    1. May not happen in your 4 year time frame (ie only  a HOPE that it will increase over your entry costs (stamp duty and legals). Maybe you are a first home buyer, which saves the stamp duty. But then you have to live in the house for at least 6 months in the first year of ownership. Any price rise still speculative.
    2. The above info assures me that you will not have a positive or even neutral cash flow.
    3. You will negatively gear!

    If you plan to live in this house, you will confuse the issue on selling it, as you will have to pay capital gains tax if it is an investment. If you plan to negatively gear it in the short term, that means you WILL have to pay CGT on at least a percentage of the (hoped for) profit.

    On the other hand, if you sell in about 4 years and don't make any money, or lose it, then you can't call it an investment. The description in this case of your property in a liability. And an Investor should never buy on emotions, just on clod hard numbers.

    If you are able to sub divide, this may be a good strategy. But check with the council FIRST! ie before buying!

    If not too late.

    Sorry to be negative, but just trying to help you see the range of possibilities! 

    Quickchick.     

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    I will give Elders and Pertrusmas a call and find out tomorrow.The block size on this property is 667m2 (whew) just made it to the sub dividable limit. This property was built in 2003.
    Thanks again.
    Futzy

    nicknovember wrote:
    I use Elders Brown and Banks. I've had up and down experience with them, but we seem to be in a good space now. I find their accounting pretty good and their inspection cycle pretty ok. I have heard that "The Rental Centre" which is an offshoot of Petrusmas (or at least used to be) is pretty good. Petrusmas is like the biggest R.E agency down there and have a good name. Bear in mind that lots of places in that valley have spectacular views. One of my houses is up on the hill there and has spectacular views, and that is a good thing. What is the block size? Is it eventually sub dividable? That could be something to think about. In that area I think the minimum is 650sq meters.
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    Hello NN, thank you for giving me info that is re-assuring for the novice investor.
    I do not really expect any growth in today's market and want to hold this for atleast 3-4 years. When I decide to move to Tassie, then I can decide whether I want to sell this investment or purchase another one based on my financial situation in the future.

    The home I am purchasing in Berridale has got spectacular views and very modern and has contemporary finish. I am hoping to get a good agent to manage the property if the sale goes through smoothly.

    Can you recommend any property manager for taking care of my investment property?

    Take care
    Futzy

    nicknovember wrote:
    Hi,

    I have two investment properties in Claremont, which is just north of Berriedale.  I've had them for 4 and 5 years respectively and had the same tenants in both since day dot.  Rents have started to increase reasonably well in the last 12 months and I've got a pretty good property Manager, achieving well over 7% of yield.  Buying something that you are emotionally attached to for investment purposes can lead you into a bit of danger though.  I too, would think about moving down that way eventually, but not to live in what I currently own, I think that can confuse the issue sometimes.   FYI, I've had good growth from 04 to 07 but things have slowed in the last 12 months.

    Hope this helps.
    NN

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    Hello Tugger, thank you very much for your valuable input. I truly can appreciate the value of properties in the CBD as well as popluar sea side suburbs like Sandy Bay. I stayed in Sandy bay for a week and really liked the place. The people in Hobart are very friendly and relaxed.
    Take care
    Futzy

    tuggerwaugh wrote:
    G'day Futzy..
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    I have 3 I.Ps in Hobart and they are all provide good rental returns 5-6% and are tennanted 12 months of the year. We have 2 in Kingston (15km from hobart) and they rent well but our townhouse in the middle of Hobart (Sandy Bay) rents within a week of tenants leases finishing, often with 3-4 parties submitting applications. If I were you I would spend $400k closer to central hobart. Low socio-economic suburbs around Berriedale and I would be very suspect on a rental property exceeding $400pw in this suburb… good luck with the search. Cheers
    tugger
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