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    bardon wrote:
    the general rule

    And there in lies the problem in thinking among many investors. What most fail to realise is this is not ‘a general rule’ incident in global financial events.

    There has been no time in history that I can recall when virtually every major economy is near collapse simultaneously. Economies like Australia will not be able to weather this impending collapse simply because it has a relatively stronger economy. With $1.3T in debt (something like $600m of that is in housing) Australia will fold like a pack of cards once things start to unravel.

    Just about every notable investor on the global stage is not asking how do we make money but how do we preserve our capital and reduce losses.

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    bardon wrote:
    So would you say that they would both be higher today ?

    What? Prices and rents?

    I’m from Christchurch so its a radically different market since the earthquakes. A fair chunk of the housing stock is to be condemned and the areas not rebuilt on. You can’t rent for love nor money at the moment while rebuilding kicks in. Rents resemble mining towns in Aus in some instances and property values in areas with little or no damage have risen based on the premise they sit on earthquake resilient land. Vacant blocks outside of the city have increased in some cases by 50%.

    The NZ market varies considerably across the country and property can be volatile to say the least. Housing booms are short lived and the following crashes can be vicious. The cycles there tend tonrun around 5 years so in a crash you can recover relatively quickly, however, my property took over tens years to recover its 1991 values.

    I recall a comparison I made between my first house (Queenspark Christchurch) and one in Fairlight (Sydney). In 1985 they where the same value. Approx $50k. By 2002 the Fairlight property sold for $1.2m if I remember correctly. The Christchurch property was only worth around $200k.

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    Ninder wrote:
    I've got only 10 years to retire and am hoping to get into somethng with capital growth.

    Seems to be something of a panic on as those nearing their desired retiring age look to make up shortfalls in retirement funding. You guys often see property as an easy answer to topping up.

    I think we’ll see a lot of ppl like yourself jump into asset classes with little to no knowledge or experience and consequently do their doe.

    Property prices are under downward pressure. Mining states especially WA have property sectors that are almost entirely reliant on resource sector performance. Personally I see resources pulling back especially expansion as the world deleverages. Resources are likely to decline and settle into a long term steady state pattern over the next 5 years. I believe that will see cities like Perth trapped in an over built lower demand cycle for several years.

    As always it will be your typical boom bust scenario. WA at the moment is being driven by 3 of the worlds largest miners all trying to expand output capacity simultaneously. When that build out phase is mostly completed over the next 2 years you can expect to see construction driven demand drop by at least 70%.

    My personal feeling is that Perth could be one of the hardest hit cities in Australia over the next few years as the global downturn starts to bite. There is still the potential to make money in property in any market but few have the skills and knowledge to manage that successfully in recession/depression environments.

    Without skill and experience do you feel lucky!

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    bardon wrote:
    Out of interest what was the rent achieved back then and what is the current value and rent for that property now ?

    Have no idea Bardon. I was a spec builder/developer in those days.

    Note the plunge in inflation.

    Corresponding drop in interest rates

    But the killer was the plunge in house prices.

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    And RP data says different

    http://www.rpdata.com/research/daily_indices.html

    Oh who to believe…

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    The purpose of easements is generally to allow access to something. This may be access through a property to service something. Power, water sewer etc.

    Easements may carry services, water power sewer etc. Easements may allow access for other landowners etc.

    Easements generally have limitations as to what you can put under the ground and you usually cannot build anything over them.

    Check with your local authority for specific’s about what you can and can’t do

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    An easement appurtenant attaches to the land permanently and benefits its owner. In order for it to exist, there must be two pieces of land owned by different individuals. One piece, the dominant estate or tenement, is the land that is benefited by the easement. The other piece, known as the servient estate or tenement, is the land that has the burden of the easement. An easement appurtenant is a Covenant running with the land since it is incapable of a separate and independent existence from the land to which it is annexed. A common example would be where one landowner—A—is the owner of land that is separated from a road by land owned by B. If B sells A a right of way across his or her land, it is a right that is appurtenant to A’s land and can only be used in connection thereof.

    http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/easement

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    luke86 wrote:
    Freckle I dont understand what you are trying to prove. You just spat out exactly the same figures as I wrote down.

    Invest in cash and you will get a return of 5-6%. Invest in property and you will get a return of 7% if the market performs way below the historical average and only generates 3% price increases, nut more likely 15% or so if it keeps ticking along as it always has.

    What are we mean to be investing in?

    Cheers,
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    They’re not the same. You didn’t adjust for inflation nor include inflation affects on your initial deposit. Consequently 7% became 5.13%

    The point is that inflation is not your friend. It’s simply a force that affects investment both positively and negatively. You can use it when it’s pushing one side of the ledger and structure to mitigate it when it’s pushing the other side.

    The problem with inflation when it gets out of control, which incidentally is the potential immediate threat (given central bank balance sheet expansion), is that it can ramp up expenses faster than rental growth and coincide with deflationary forces to reduce asset values.

    Inflation isn’t your friend. Friends don’t have a sting in their tail.

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    Luke using your figures

    Purchase price $625,000

    Loan $500,000

    Expenses over 10 years

    Interest $350 000
    Expenses @ 1% of market value
    (inflation indexed @3%/pa) over 10 yrs $ 73,964
    Total costs over 10 years $423,964

    Less income (inflation indexed @3%/pa) $332,862
    Net loss $ 91,102

    Market Value after 10 yrs at 3%/pa CG $843,345
    Less Loan $500,000
    Less losses $ 91,102

    Gross Gain $252,243
    Less Principle $125,000

    Gross profit (7%/pa) $127,000

    Looks good eh but hold we haven’t accounted for inflation on the original $125,000

    $125,000 @3%/pa over 10 years = $168,669

    Our real increase in spending power is only $83 574 or 5.13%

    By the time we strip out entry, exit (incl any CGT) we’ll be struggling to get any return at all out of this particular investment.

    This model doesn’t real prove anything because we’ve basically evened everything out. The lesson to learn is to keep an eye on how inflation is impacting on an investment in terms of asset appreciation/depreciation, expenses and income. It won’t affect all areas the same or at the same time.

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    simple wrote:
    I would disagree.
    You buy a house for 500K, rent it out and if properly done brake even, not even considering tax. That at 100% finance, with zerro capital outlay.
    Now, in 5 years from now, your loan is still 500K, but tenants pay more (min 3% rent increase/year).
    So, you have an income, thank you inflation.

    Now 20 years down the track, loan is still 500K BUT rent is +3% every year. You take your yearly rent and pay down debt.
    Result – you own property, you have rent paid, and you spend NO MONEY in process.

    If not for inflation, this financial vehicle will not function

    So income rises with inflation but expenses don’t. With that logic all properties should be positively geared because of inflation over the last 50 years. With that logic income should just keep increasing.

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    fWord wrote:
    and use the profit for whatever they see fit,

    And that’s the problem with the definition of profit over time. You may have more dollars in your wallet but if the dollars you had 20 years ago bought a dozen eggs and the dollars from the sale still only buy a dozen eggs 20 years later then are you actually any wealthier? Inflation tends to trick people into thinking they’re getting richer.

    You need to constantly measure your wealth in terms of buying power not how many zeros are on the end of your bank book.

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    simple wrote:
    +1
    In simplified form, if you are in debt – inflation is good. That is assuming business, not personal debt.
    If you are saver (in fiat currency), inflation is reducing your savings and is bad for you.

    I have lived thru inflation and hyperinflation in Poland 1990, Russia 1992 and few others. General rule is, as inflation rate increases – more value you loose by holding the fiat over the same period of time. So people/businesses dump currency and buy goods, assets (land, buildings, factories, very large businesses, infrastructure and so on)  and start trading barter (in very bad cases, think Greece).

    From PI investor with debt point of view, moderate inflation is very welcome. I know as I am and I can count my money well.

    The debt is only one part of the equation. Inflation affects the interest rate (cost of debt), the asset (may rise in value), and cost of holding the assets (overhead expenses).

    Too much inflation can see depreciation in an asset while costs rise. It’s why central banks try to stabilise inflation at around 2-3%. It makes financial markets far more stable with lower risk.

    You can’t look at inflation and any of its affects in isolation; ie its reducing effect on debt alone. In general inflation has wider implications in how it affects markets.

    Inflation is part of the financial forces that transfer wealth from you to the banks/govt.

    In high inflationary times I agree FIAT is not the place to be. Hard assets can buffer you from the worst affects of inflation but it’s not a guarantee. During the 90’s we saw high inflation high interest rates and then a deflationary crash in RE. My property (NZ) went from $350k to $230k in the space of 8 months.

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    JT7 wrote:
    ‘Mining giant Rio Tinto has pulled out of the $6.2 billion expansion of Abbot Point coal terminal in north Queensland, blaming rising costs and delays in environmental approvals from the federal government’.

    What a load of bull. MSM misdirection by big business. Enviro approvals that run into delays are generally caused by big business trying to bend the rules to get a project over the line. In other word I want to dump my toxic waste here instead of trucking and processing it there because it will cost us 4% of our bottom line

    Big business know how long enviro’s take to push through the system. They do it daily on 100’s of projects. They are the proverbial experts at enviro law. Blaming Fed govt is just shifting the cause so they can blame someone if they can’t deliver to investors.

    Rising costs are there own fault. The big miners have all decided to go hell for leather simultaneously. That’s put immense strain on everything consequently pushing the price up at an exponential rate.

    I’m no fan of current govt or opposition MP’s but throwing rocks at them while a lot of you PI’s cream some of the best returns in the market absolutely smacks of hypocracy. Property investors are a significant part of the cost problem.

    Rio’s pulled the pin because rising costs and falling commodity prices are the future outlook. All the big miners will do the same over the next few years. The booms peaked. Watch as the billions within the project pipeline dwindle over the next few years.

    As Africa comes on line over the next few years iron ore prices are predicted to fall into a range between A$60 – 80/mt from it’s current US$147.
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/90674359/Hurst-Africafeo-Eaber-Final

    These kind of assessments will pressure the big miners to seriously rethink the big multi billion $$$ projects for some time. Govts are not the problem. Australia is still way ahead of every other region by streets even with higher costs and govt taxes. The ball breaker is expanding capacity leading to over capacity world wide coupled with falling global demand and Chinese restructuring.

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    luke86 wrote:
    ??????

    I thought inflation is a property investors friend.

    Inflation means assets, incomes and rents generally rise in value while debt remains the same. How is inflation bad for property investors?

    Cheers,
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    Inflation makes your debt seem smaller compared to your earnings over time. So if you earn $100/wk today and your debt is $100,000 its harder than when your debt has reduced after 10 years and you now earn $200/wk.

    Problem is the asset you’re paying off has to appreciate at the same rate or better to hold your buying power from ten years ago. So inflation is just making it easier to pay of the debt over time. Problem is you may actually be getting poorer (loosing buying power through inflation) without realising it.

    It’s the problem with property. All things being equal the 2br house you bought 10 years ago will still only buy you a comparable 2 br house today if you sold up and moved.

    Higher inflation generally means higher interest rates so you loose from that angle too.

    Inflation is not your friend. You do better without it than with.

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    sapphire101 wrote:
    add a cup full of fragrance to the water.

    Not usually a good idea. The BSod, vinegar solution will neutralise the smell first. It’s better to complete the cleaning process without deodorisers as they simply mask any residual smells that might be there fooling you into thinking you’ve solved the problem.

    Clean first then assess how successful you’ve been. Clean again if necessary. Once you’ve got the odour problem licked then apply a pleasing odour like citrus, sandlewood or whatever takes your fancy.

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    bardon wrote:
    Personally speaking I think that due to the unprecedented easing polices of the big boys there is Tsunami of inflation building up.

    Not necessarily. The trillions in new money created over the last few years is still locked up in bank and central bank deposits. It exists only as digital money at this stage and hasn’t entered the money flow.

    Once unleashed monetary value will be debased overnight, savers and pensioners will be punished, prices and wages will rise.

    It’s unlikely to be unleashed. The consumer is deleveraging not leveraging up. The new money is stuck on balance sheets as bank reserves to prop up insolvent banks.

    Debt levels will not increase and debt repayments will seem like peanuts in comparison to before inflation hit.

    Debt levels (soveriegn and bank) will increase. Without debt there is no money. Fractional reserve banking requires the creation of debt (money) or the system collapses. Debt always exceeds money supply (interest component of debt can’t be created/printed).

    Hard assets including houses should also inflate in this scenario.

    Note necessarily. A crash is a lack of money. Debt disappears through default therefore reducing the money supply. This causes assets to devalue. Governments react by printing hard currency which directly causes inflation. Assets ‘appear’ to rise in price but it’s simply inflation. Your earnings don’t inflate at the same rate so you quickly become poor. Essentials inflate in price while assets deflate.

    Inflation always has been a trusty 24/7 servant of a leveraged property investor

    You are kidding right! If you aren’t you have no idea of how inflation works or the FIAT currency system.

    eroding debt level and increasing asset and rental values.

    If your income rises through inflation and your debt stays the same then yes. An asset’s value has to, at the very least, rise at the same rate of inflation just to hold its buying power. Anything less and you are loosing ground. Rents tend to lag inflation and are dominated by market forces.

    Inflation is every PI’s enemy.

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    lawsjs wrote:
    You and I would get along fine Freckle – I don’t think we would disagree on much, give me a call if you are ever in Sydney:)

    I usually only ever pass through the place these days. Spent about 9 years there. Every time I spend any sort of time there, usually layovers, the traffic seems to get worse just a little bit more. Does my head in. Up here in Port Hedland there’s no traffic lights (yet) and only one stop sign… bliss

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    bm17 wrote:
    I recall reading a similar post on Mildura on this forum so perhaps if you perform a search you may find some additional information.
    From memory, the general consensus on Mildura was mixed with some having good experiences, some not so good (which would be the same as any area). The fact it is a considerable distance from other regional hubs / capital cities was a major detractor.

    Mildurah thread
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/property-investing/general-property/4337479

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    xdrew wrote:
    For cigarette and urine smells .. wash the walls down with a white vinegar and then steam clean the carpets.

    You can add to this with these recipes. We’ve got two dogs and urine smells in enclosed yards need regular attention.

    http://www.back-to-basics-cleaning.com/natural-carpet-cleaning.html

    These recipes work on concrete and timber as well. If your using it on timber floors test in a small area (wardrobe) first if your timber floors are aesthetic.

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    Residex CEO, John Edwards wrote:
    “I’m worried about Victoria. When I look at the Victorian economy, I can’t see anything that’s actually going to do it any good. It’s on the wrong side of the ledger… You’ve now got an overhang of stock of around 70% in Melbourne… something close to 20,000 dwellings, which is enormous. It’s the largest stock overhang of any capital city in Australia”…

    http://youtu.be/1zglKPv0vag

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