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- daniel vic wrote:I was leaning towards that have you heard much about us invest they seem ok ?
There's extensive discussion on all things US here including many of the RE players both good and bad. You need to use the search function and go through those threads to appraise yourself of a wide range of issues and knowledge they can reveal.
At the moment the US market would eat you for breakfast. There's plenty of war stories here from those who went before you and thought they had it all figured out.
zmagen wrote:You seem to laugh a lot, Freckle, good on ya. It's probably because everybody in the worlds so stupid and you're so smart. Then again, it could be a sign of mental frailty, I hear. But those graphs are so pretty and colourful…enjoy your weekend!C'mon Ziv your retorts are usually better than that. Melodramatics and hissy fits detract from your credibility.
Recovery strategy… ???
….more debt, higher expenses and less income. Is that what passes for a recovery strategy these days?
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If that's a recovery strategy I'm a monkeys uncle.Japan deflation persists, industrial output falls (30May13)
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2013-05-30/japan-deflation-persists-industrial-output-fallsBOJ Seen Failing to Tame Volatility as Sale Slumps: Japan Credit (29May13)
By Masaki Kondo, Mariko Ishikawa and Shigeki Nozawa
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-05-28/boj-seen-failing-to-tame-volatility-as-sale-slumps-japan-creditOn the Road to a Japanese Debt Crisis (29May13)
By Desmond Lachman (served as director in the International Monetary Fund's Policy Development and Review Department.)
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/road-japanese-debt-crisis-164423450.htmlI liked this one;
Japan Output Gains as Tokyo Prices End Four-Year Slide: Economy
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-05-30/japan-output-exceeds-estimates-in-boost-for-abe-revival-campaignI laugh when I read this stuff. They've just managed to smash their currency by 27% and then claim a surge in things like GDP (3.6% annualised) and output. (production +1.7%) That's like having a liquidation sale and saying sales are up but then not disclosing your input costs went ballistic and margins got crushed.
But in the pro Abe twilight zone all is well….kinda
ROFL… jeez Ziv I didn't think melodrama was your forte…
Never met someone so hell bent on proving Einstein's theory of insanity wrong.
Abe..BOJ… this time is different… we just need moar!!!
Lets print twice as much money… surely we'll be twice as rich.
What??? Moar debt will solve our debt problem… well let's go for the doctor then..
Krugman – debt doesn't matter. I told my bank that and they laughed at me… but Krugman said so and he has a Nobel Prize thingy.
I'm glad I wasn't drinking a wine when I read that.
You should go into business consulting. There's heaps of businesses who would like to know how to make a go of it with rising input costs and shrinking income but still be able to borrow to the moon whilst paying the staff more.
They'll gladly pay a small fortune for that.
I hear Krugman's looking for an apprentice. You and him would get along like a house on fire.
Exports rose 3.8 percent yoy to 5.777 trillion yen, marking a second straight month of gains.
Imports rose 9.4 percent yoy to 6.657 trillion yen, up for a sixth straight month.
I must be maths challenged. Corporates reporting profits when costs exceed revenues. There must be a new paradigm in corporate accounting that I haven't heard of. Or maybe it's simply revenues from international operations being converted to the newly depreciated yen that look good on the local balance sheet. A pity that income will never see the light of day in Japan
MOF Japan obviously have it all wrong then if MSM articles trump real data.
zmagen wrote:Yes, we've heard it before, you'll quote the economists who don't agree with the ones I quote and vice versaA fair whack of what I quote doesn't come from economists. The underlying data is provided by the BOJ – your guys I believe.
I'd be interested in some detail, analysis and reasoning to support your position rather than superficial MSM reporting and retrospective descriptions of my position.
Nigel Kibel wrote:FreckleThe hedge funds are currently buying commercial property and large apartment complexes between 2 and 50 million dollars. They believe that the market has bottomed in many cases they are paying full price.
And your take on that is??
jayhinrichs wrote:Carrington One of the first hedge funds to enter the sfr market is now exitingthenreasons they site is :
1. Returns never matched proforma's
2. Property management (headaches). They did not have management in house
3. Price increases
4. Rehab over runs and much higher maintenance and vacancy factors than were predicted
Yep. I seem to remember us discussing the likelihood of these problems for Hedge's some time ago.
They drove demand up and subsequently prices. I expect the reverse to be true. To me the US market is more akin to a speculators market than an investor's market.
S&P's getting smashed around today. I sense a turning point in the not too distant future. The high water market states may be a barometer of what to expect. States like FL and TX that have benefited from an exodus from poor performing states may see that continue or possibly accelerate. If however their economies start to struggle I think it could be all on for young and old.
Here's my bet. The current hot money flows into Japan trying to front run the market will in due course (and I expect that to be soon) correct back and beyond where they came from. AU$ saw some pressure from Yen exiting positions here and heading home to speculate on the gold rush spurred by BOJ policy and market actions. AU$ dollar now seems to have stabilised around the US0.96 region.
The kind of stuff you're seeing on the ground is to be expected. Problem is they are distortions from a normal market and that produces volatility. That volatility is pushing large institutional investors away from bonds and investing in Japan. The VaR isn't worth it.
BOJ has started something it may not be able to stop. They want 2% inflation but bonds to stay below 1%. Enough Bond holders are saying bugger that an opting out. That's putting upward pressure on yields and rates forcing the BOJ to support the market. Over 1% and banks face substantial T1 capital impairment. Mainstream banks by 10% and regionals by 20%.
It's the kind of thing Bass has alluded to. He's also indicated the BOJ planned operations are too small and they will have to massively increase bond buying programs over the long haul. He describes this as the investor paradox. The govt wants 2% inflation but sub 1% interest rates. The normal investor would sell and look for yield somewhere else. With almost one quadrillion yen on the table a Y60T buying program isn't going to satisfy the bond market. That then leads to a currency depreciation as the initial program of doubling the money supply will have to go much further to support the bond market.
They're caught between a rock and a hard place. Their debt load is, according to current budget forecasts, set to increase by 7% between now and 2014. Their cost to income ratio is already at 46% of revenue and set to deteriorate further.
Bond rates where around 0.3% when this all started and are now around 0.9%. That's a massive hit to expenses.
Local stuff aside for a minute. All this printing is pushing yen out of the country looking for safety and yield. That's screwing with international bond markets and forcing CB's to take stabalising action to buffer their own economies. I can't see them tolerating this for too much longer.
Ziv you need to stop admiring the paint job and pop the bonnet for a deko at the engine. It's a dog.
That all might be about to turn around. The so called smart money is moving out RE and stocks. I get the distinct impression there will be an exodus shortly as hedgies try and take some profit. It'll be interesting to see if they sell down or sell out.
Too much empty stock waiting for tenants. Time to grab the capital gain and sell to the next mug.
Bloomber – Nic Smith. Hardly convincing. A very superficial rap. The RE he's talking about is market REITs fueled by a rotation out of bonds. WSJ article wouldn't come up.
BOJ is trying to push investors out of JGB's at a controlled rate (not working) and into stocks and other investments. It's also buying directly into the market especially ETF's.
This will be a disaster for Japan. If you don't understand the relationship between JGB's, yield ceilings, currency devaluation and their effects on key sectors of the economy then you need to study this thing a lot harder. BOJ hasn't got control of this and it's lurching from one crises to another as it tries to hold things together.
This has been done before. It failed then and it'll fail again. Crucial economic indicators are deteriorating not getting better.
BHP just released their forward looking presentation (Coal operations) to the market via the ASX. Again this should help investors understand the resource sensitive RE markets especially around coal projects. Investors should be weary of future projected capex spends. Miners have traditionally promised much and delivered lower. That's unlikely to change over the short to medium term.
http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20130529/pdf/42g59dmrk2xp7m.pdf
It's like deja vue Rio and BHP 18 months ago all talking up their book. When you have companies like Xtrada pulling back you have to ask yourself why GVK think they know what they're doing.
The problem with current projects like this is that in terms of RE you really can't consider it any more than a spec play. I think anyone going in for the long haul is absolutely playing with fire.
China has some massive problems with energy and especially coal. They've capped imports so there's unlikely to be any real growth. India has some serious economic and political problems to get past before I could believe their growth story. There GDP may be high but I tend to think their figures are as reliable as the Chinese. The Emerging market theme gets done to death like its some sort of savior. SEA EM's are tiny and highly dependent on established economies for growth. Countries like Malaysia and Thailand have substantial percentages of their GDP generated by foreign companies who at this point are struggling in most markets that matter.
If global markets and conditions where more stable and there where some healthy growth centers driving or supporting economic growth I could go with the G Basin as a reasonable RE risk but I think the risk factor is high and consequently returns would need to reflect that.
It's the kinda place that could give an investor ulcers and grey hair.
Karley12 wrote:Haha, ouch! By 'coastal requirements' – I'm sure you are aware that Mandurah is very different to Sorrento, for example. More accessible to a greater number of homes by foot/bicycle, less traffic and tourists etc. In the last twelve months I have known about 8 retiring couples or singles move there and naturally being interested in property I have grilled them on their reasons for moving. The slower pace on the coast came out as a big desirable, and also to top up their retirement funds by usually 250-350K after selling up and downsizing.
I think you need to study the stats a little closer. Anecdotal evidence is always interesting but its ability to lead one astray can't be underestimated.
There's a pdf research white paper at the end of that url entitled "The Journey Begins" from the Super Industry.
Some interesting figures
Baby boomers for these stats where born between 1946 – 1965 and are aged between 47 and 66. Half the baby boomer generation is considered to have already retired.
5.5 million baby boomers
48% intend moving
28% to downsize
15% for a sea change and 13% for tree change
So that's roughly 2.7 million x 28% over the next 20 years. Roughly 38,000 per year spread across Australia. WA has about 10.6% of Australia's population (2.3mill) of which about 1.9 mil live in Perth. So 38,000 drops to somewhere around 3500/ yr max who might move and only around 15% 1700 are looking for a sea change.
So your anecdotal evidence that 8 retiring couples moved to Mandurah may well be the total bag.
The problem with this data is that it's trying to predict the future based on intentions. A property market correction could skew the predictions in any direction. Included in the report but not in the above figures are those who will invariable have to still work because they underestimated their retirement needs.
My understanding is that retirees will not materialise in sufficient numbers to influence the Mandurah market in any substantive way.
You have my apology if I've misjudged you. New members jumping on the bandwagon and making supporting comments in favor of those with little or no credibility and who make silly and superfluous comments throws up the odd red light or two.
I'm still not convinced but I'll give you have the benefit of doubt for the time being.
Karley wrote:An assumption, I take it? I have a number of friends who made the mistake of investing in Mandurah years ago, when the train line extension was but a rumourI rarely make assumptions. The mistake was not investing in Mandurah but where they invested and their reasoning. There are some here (on this forum) who have done well in Mandurah over the last few years.
Quote:quickly ruled out Mandurah – however I believe itwill ride it out due to the baby boomers retirement/downsizing/coastal living requirements.Again a simplistic view.
Coastal requirements – you just described 90% of Australian towns
downsizing – there's less downsizing than you think. It's a tiny percentage of Mandurah RE
babyboomers retiring – coupled to the downsizing theory.
The GFC and an impending economic recession will likely cause further financial damage to the over 55's. They will not be a sector that helps any area ride out a contraction.
You'd be surprised who's on these sites.
Sydney is probably the lowest risk market historically and NSW as a whole is the only state with reasonable economic conditions. That said you can still easily get your fingers burnt there as well.
If you're confused then you're not ready yet. It takes time before you can confidently get your head around the necessary skills required to invest confidently. Absolutely no harm sitting on your hands and spend a year or two learning the ropes. One screw up now and like so many you waste years and loose your grubstake. It's not a booming market. There's no rush. In this type of market patience is an absolute must.
Ropati86 wrote:Hey freckle do you know any good renovation people?Been out of the game too long. Well over ten years in terms of Sydney. I was north shore (Willoughby) some years ago. I don't even know anyone out your neck of the woods either.
Perth is high risk. While the Perth market may appear buoyant at the moment WA economic fundamentals are deteriorating rapidly. Many areas of WA are in decline and at the moment I see a retreat to Perth as the main driver of current activity. I don't expect that to continue for much longer. At some point the largely uninformed market will realise that growth/price drivers are weakening or simply disappearing. When that moment comes I expect to see the Perth market at best drift sideways and at worst decline quite rapidly.
This isn't to say there aren't opportunities in WA but that they are high risk and require the knowledge and experience of a veteran investor. Preferably one resident or familiar with the idiosyncrasies of the region.
Property markets are going to be tough going for some time. I expect to see quite a high casualty rate for the over leveraged and less sophisticated investor for the foreseeable future. The winners will be few and far between.
zmagen wrote:I quitI accept your surrender.