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Blimey nobody saw that coming did they… well maybe a few of us.
Derek wrote:And the response from Federal Treasury.http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/17499555/wa-not-in-recession-treasury/
My head hurts!
I tend to agree that the recession talk is over stated at the moment but this statement understates where things are going. All the feedback I get from people on the ground and in business here is that things are contracting rapidly. A mate has just done 2 trips to Xmas Creek (FMG) and one to Tom Price (Rio) with over size loads. 12 months ago there was a steady stream of trucks moving up and down between Perth and Port Hedland and all points in between. He said the roads where dead quite. Hardly anything moving at all. Maybe a tenth of what was moving last year.
Oldest lad in Port Hedland says they've been stuck on mostly 5 day weeks now for months. A lot of days they're knocking off at 3.30pm. 12 moths ago they couldn't get enough men. Now they've got too many and are just ticking over.
Some companies are starting to tell their FIFO workers to pay for their own flights.
I'm not sure the general public has woken up to how fast this thing happening. It's certainly way faster than I had expected. It'll be interesting to see where this thing settles and drops into a more stable environment.
A comment I thought pertinent to this discussion.. from Joseph Stiglitz Was Right: Suicide
In 2012, talking of the European Union’s austerity plans, Stiglitz had just one word to say. It was “suicide-pact”. He went on to say last year that imposing austerity on the citizens of the EU would do nothing more than lead to the collapse of the economies of those very same countries. Nobody listened to him then and nobody is listening to those words now.
Politicians today in the EU are so hell-bent on retaining power that they have transformed themselves into economists, without any ability or reason. Politics is the governing element that will lead to the downfall of our economic structures because we are governed by flawed responses from people that have no idea what economics is about.
Seems I'm not alone in my opinion of Abenomics.
Abe's "Deflation-Monster"-Slaying Third-Arrow Hints Underwhelm (lotsa pretty graphs for the non Zivites)
UPDATE 1: Well that escalated quickly… Abe Speech ended- NKY -450 from Abe spike highs, TOPIX -3% from Abe spike highs, JPY cracked back under 100 (80 pips from Abe spike), JGBs surging
For about 2 minutes there it looked as if we were back on track and by the power of jawbone alone, Abe could lift Japan from its malaise.
*ABE VOWS TO SLAY DEFLATION MONSTER WITH FISCAL, MONETARY POLICY
*ABE CALLS GROWTH STRATEGY CENTERPIECE OF ECONOMIC POLICY
*ABE WILL THOROUGHLY REMOVE ALL BARRIERS TO CORPORATE ACTIVITY
But a mere 10 minutes after vowing to slay the deflation monster, Japanese stocks have retraced their spike gains and JPY has retraced its spike lower – but on the bright side – JGBs are bid.
zmagen wrote:A ridiculous and extreme simplification of policies so varied and dynamic,
You're kidding me right? 3 arrows consists of 1/ borrow more money to stimulate (QE) 2/ devalue the currency by monetising debt and 3/ market reform.
The 3rd I can go with but it's not scheduled to start until 2015 at this stage providing they can get the reform in the shape they want it. My guess is that what they want and what they end up with will depend on what concessions he will have to accept in order to achieve some sort of outcome. In politics the end result of major reform rarely resembles the original goal. The MRRT in Australia and Obamacare in the US are prime examples of trying to challenge the corporate oligolpoly.
QE and currency debasement… well nothing unique or dynamic about that either. Every major CB is chasing the same strategy with same result.
But of course Japan is different
Quote:with surrounding economic climates so complex and unique to their time, and implemented to so different extents and with such different measures, that it's completely impossible to even begin to address this statementMaybe for you but not for me. Economies have always been complex beasts if you want to dissect them down to minutia. However economics is based on simple fundamentals that even a child can understand. The only thing unique at this time is the scale of this baby – truly global. Implementation – well that's not going to well. Yes the extent is different. A financial banzai charge if ever I saw one. The measures hardly vary at all. They've learnt heaps off of the FED over the years. Trouble is they're trying to do similar things with disproportionate measures without a reserve currency backstop.
Quote:you pretend X corresponds with Y long enough and find a graph to illustrate your point, it'll actually become true somehow – doesn't quite work that way).Does in the math's book I'm reading – perhaps you have a different maths book.
Quote:I believe that neither the mighty Freckle, nor I, nor Abe, nor the flying spaghetti monster of planet X have any idea ON WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS FOR GLOBAL AND LOCAL ECONOMIES – as a result, all that any of us can do (whether we're running a family budget, a business budget, or a national budget) is to try and prepare the most adaptable, potentially beneficial and flexible plan that we can for an uncertain future.Interesting assumption. You believe we're not smart enough to speculate with any accuracy on a future outcome yet you're quite happy to follow an amateur with no real experience or expertise at much at all and proclaim his plan worth supporting even though there exists plenty of historical evidence to, at the very least, suggest the chances of success are extremely low and that failure would almost certainly mean a considerably worse situation than exists now.
Quote:The main difference between us is that you try to pretend you do know what the future holds,I don't pretend Ziv. A more apt description might indicate I'm speculating based on past experience, historical evidence, sound money practice and the opinion of those more knowledgeable with supporting track records.
Quote:and that if, again, you scream it loudly enough and paste enough pretty graphics into it, it'll somehow make you an authority on the future.Don't like those graphs do you Ziv. They constantly punch holes in your arguments that are difficult to refute.
Quote:You know squat beyond what you're speculatingI used to race pigeons when I was kid. Did alright too. I know a fair bit about them. I'm operating from a broad knowledgebase.
Quote:It's one thing to present information that supposedly points to a current event and try to claim it's a result of a past one – not as clear-cut as you try to make it seem, but potentially doable, if debatable – but when you take that extra stretch and try to project into the future,Why not. Almost all planning is based on predictive outcomes based on historical experience. You invest in property because you have historical experience and rules derived from that experience. The outcome is predictive based on the likelihood of known factors. Risk will form part of that assessment and provide you with odds of success and to what degree. You embark upon a strategy when either the odds favor you or the reward out weighs the risk.
If you where a developer you wouldn't borrow money and start the process without first obtaining the requisite consents or changing the zoning.
Abe's plan is a simple breakout strategy but it hinges on market reforms that could take multiple govt terms to get over the line. So why go for the doctor now financially when you haven't got your zoning and consents in place first.
Strategies that are simple have the higher success rates. The more complex things get then your chance of success can deteriorate exponentially. Everything I've seen so far suggest a simple strategy that is being implemented in an ad hoc fashion without too much thought on how to deal with the volatile aspects of the plan. The BOJ is lurching from one crises to another trying to hold markets together but then admits it's communications with the market are disjointed and schizophrenic.
Quote:you become ludicrous (not in the least because, your visions of the future are somehow always the same, in both their trends and their extremity, regardless of where or who in the world you happen to be criticizing at the time).Ziv I suppose I'm a contrarian. Contrarians tend to challenge mainstream thought and behavior from time to time. I believe we live in a time that may in the future be described as a watershed moment for human civilisation. We face huge challenges from population growth, global warming and what appears to be the end period of a macro economic cycle.
We haven't shown in the past a propensity to handle significant events very well. The worst stressors tend to end in conflict. In the last decade there's little I can find that leads me to believe we are on top of our problems. In fact all I see is the opposite.
zmagen wrote:No, not really, he's just saying you haven't got a clue, same as him, and evidence points to the same uncertainty, nothing more and nothing less.When I look back at the historical record and it shows…
didn't work..
didn't work again..
bugger still didn't work that time..
well I kinda come to the conclusion that's it's a 99.9% certainty it ain't gonna work this time.
You on the other hand believe you haven't got a clue (I agree) and that after repeated failures it's not certain this time will be a failure also. If you don't have a clue it's a stretch to deduce the evidence is uncertain especially when precedent and examples exist.
Your logic constantly fails you as in this case. You admit to not understanding (don't have a clue). If you don't understand then you lack the ability to judge if someone else does or not. That's like telling a mathematician his formula is wrong when you don't understand the formula.
Jamie M wrote:yep – it's the same story each election.
Cheers
Jamie
Trouble those buggers is you never know which way they'll jump from one day to the next.
4Sale – 310 still climbing… rumor has it that council is still planning on building dozens of rental properties for SME's and other non mining businesses.
4Rent – 210 My oldest son is now looking to relocate locally and the word he is getting is that those looking to rent are putting offers in way under asking price. Prices are getting down to around 250 – 300/rm/wk for reno'd properties he's looking at. That's a massive drop when 400/rm/wk was considered the lowest level.
Those who bought in the last few years must be in one painful place. I'm starting to hear of those with properties for sale now looking at modest equity losses at this point (5 – 10%). I'm starting to draw the conclusion we will see a price retracement in the order of 30 – 40% off the highs by early 2014
Jamie M wrote:I think the old ACT still has legs – you can pick up a detached house on a decent block in the far south and north burbs for low $400s, tart them up with a cosmetic reno and rent them for high $400s per week. Long term the growth will be fine and the yields will be ok so the holding costs aren't overly burdensome.I'm a bit biased though – I've for handful of IPs here and will look to buy more soon.
Cheers
Jamie
Rumor is Abbot will do a hatchet job on the public sector. I see that as almost a certainty given the economic challenges coming our way. Abbots likely to grab the top job without too much difficulty and he'll almost certainly have little trouble from a weak opposition. Unless they blow the ship up in their first term you could see a 2 -3 term govt. Public sector RE in the ACT could be tough going for a few years if that scenario unfolds.
Fall In Japan Auto Sales Dashes Earlier Hopes Of Sales Turnaround
A fall in Japan's auto sales in May dashed hopes that an increase in sales the previous month finally marked the start of a new upward trend amid growing hopes that the government's economic policies will breathe new life into slack auto demand.
Last year, huge government subsidies had inflated sales, and now there is a price to pay, as there always is for subsidies.
This can't be right. My mate Ziv says it's all a box of fluffy ducks and Abe san will be a legend soon.
C'mon Ziv you luv it. You've got a masochist streak a mile wide.
I wish you'd take your time and dig up some decent stuff.
First quote – wages and employment.
Abe's begging business to give the worker a pay rise because he needs to compensate them for the cost of living increases they're getting wacked with but the SME's who employ 80% of the workforce don't have the margins to accommodate him. On the one hand he wants more productivity (more output for less) but wants business to up its labor costs in the face of tougher markets and already compressed margins. He can't have higher productivity and higher wages. One or the other.
The quote makes assumptions about wage growth but that's unlikely. What business would commit to a wage rise when they are only into their 6 month of this experiment and there is no real benefit apparent other than where hot money is pushing the market at certain points. Given volatility you'd be crazy to front run speculative top line growth. Insane stuff.
Whats with the BS employment figures. Labor force participation has been dropping for years (mid 90's) because Japans population is contracting and to magnify that so is the workforce as the population ages. Last 5 employment figures; 4.3%, 4.2%, 4.3%, 4.1%, 4.1%
JAPANESE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE UNCHANGED IN APRIL
Anna Fedec [email protected] | 5/31/2013 12:50:15 AM
Japan's seasonally adjusted unemployment rate remained unchanged at 4.1 percent in April. The number of unemployed persons was 2.91 million, a decrease of 240 thousand or 7.6 % from the previous year.
The number of employed persons in April 2013 was 63.12 million, an increase of 370 thousand or 0.6 % from the previous year.
In April, compared to the previous month, the employment rose in Wholesale and retail trade, Transport and postal activities, Scientific Research and professional and technical services, Accommodations, eating and drinking services, Education and Medical, health care and welfare.
Job losses were reported in Manufacturing, Agriculture and Forestry, Information and communications, Real estate, Living-related and personal services and in Government services.
Interesting to note where jobs are being lost and where they are increasing. There is a trend to service worker type jobs (tend to be low tech low paid) but losses in manufacturing are a concern given their reliance on manufacturing exports as the hub of their export revenue.
Second quote – the Japanese economic outlook remains better than expected
Who rights this stuff? Krugman? You have several countries preparing to go full on currency econ warfare about now.
Third quote – A gauge of condominium sales in the Tokyo metropolitan area jumped 48 percent in March from a year before.
48%!!! Says it all really. Fuel injected turbo charged with nitrous market. It's sure to end well. What was the other one…. dept store spending is up.
Consumer spending has been rising steadily for the last few years but I suppose Abe's broken arrow policies will get credit for that.
Consumer confidence… yep some early euphoria but the recent market antics have dented people's enthusiasm of late
Quote:It's all about showing the world how much smarter you are than all of us, innit?It's only you and me mate. I'm sure there's a few out there that could teach me a thing or two (I hope so anyway). I was hoping you'd stretch my intellectual rubber band a bit but its still as limp as an empty jock strap.
I'd rather burn my money to get warm. At least I'd get some utility out of it.
zmagen wrote:enough.
Not again…
There's nothing to stop someone charging for a quote, however, that needs to be disclosed before a quote is undertaken. The agent would have to justify allowing this when it is not normal business practice. Depending on your agreement with your PM they act on your behalf so you are liable for the cost. Your dispute would then become one between you and your PM.
I'm wary of this kind of business practice. It suggests you are seen as a cash cow rather than a valued client to be serviced.
I'm looking for someone who knows what next weeks winning lotto numbers are.
zmagen wrote:"I think a disaster is coming, and no one will convince me otherwise". It's cool, you're entitled to your opinion, enjoy it!A disaster isn't coming it's already here for millions upon millions.
Iceland
Ireland
Portugal
Spain
Greece
France
Slovenia
Netherlands
Libya
Egypt
Cyprus
Italy
Syria
Argentina
Venezuela
..and the list above doesn't even consider the millions in 1st world countries like the US who lost most of their wealth to the GFC.
Abe's a joke. A failed PM with no economic credibility whatsoever who's simply repeating past attempts that failed but some how moar is better and it's different this time. The 3 arrows thing is a catchy gimmick to sell the public but it's more like a 3 legged tripod. One leg fails it all falls over.
It's time you stopped sooking like a schoolgirl every time you get smacked around the ears with some basic data and simple logic. If you want to be taken seriously then support your argument with something substantive. For example; saying immigration is a solution without providing a strategy, timeline or how it would be implemented is just waffling in the wind.
And S Korea has had enough..
South Korea Demands "International Action" Against "Negative Impact" Of Abenomics
Implicitly, the G-8/20 also thinks everyone else in the world is an idiot. But all this will be irrelevant if one more major export powerhouse joins alongside South Korea in formally lodging complaints. Someone like Germany. Because if Merkel also says that the 200 or so boost to the S&P is more than enough to offset marginal losses in German exports, then Abenomics may very well be on its way out.
The next round is about to begin
zmagen wrote:Its all in here – https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/overseas-deals/4346966
enough.
Certainly is.
A quote from forumite BMW with relatives on the ground there from that thread:
Doesn’t seem like a rosy future ahead.
My FIL has a small engineering shop in outer Tokyo but is almost being forced to retire due to lack of work coming in.
At the moment they are buying other currencies as their accountant has warned of a massive devaluation of the Yen to be coming soon.
My worry is that so many people believe that the government will be able to provide for them in retirement as they have paid the super tax during their working lives, but it just doesn’t seem sustainable with an ageing population and massive government debt.
…and another one from Shahin Afarin
…..and another. I don't often agree with Alistair but in this case..
...and I couldn't go without including this one from PrimePropertyIn
Been looking at this conversation for a while, I think you have a very good point Freckle.
zmagen wrote:.In essence, your replies to my replies were as follows (correct me if I'm wrong here) –
1. Exports, which are picking up considerably since the yen dropped, will fail because the rest of the world will not pick up enough to carry them sufficiently
Fascinated to know how you arived at that conclusion when the MOF's figures show quite categorically that import costs are rising faster than export revenues.
Quote:2. Renewable energy initiatives, which Japan is currently second only to china in, and are attracting a lot of overseas investment, will fail because "you haven't seem them work anywhere else"Never said that. The renewables sector is a heavily subsidised industry that can't stand unsupported in actual market conditions. At this point in time it is a drag on growth. On the IP and development side the kind of revenue generated is fairly small in the scheme of things. On the manufacturing side cost pressures have and are pushing manufacturers to the wall. Even the cheap Chinese manufacturers are going bust.
The latest head wind for renewables is a loss in confidence due to poor manufacturing techniques which are showing a 10 – 15% component failure rate on a product that is guaranteed for 20 – 25 yrs. US companies are now putting aside huge reserves ($250 million in one case) against future claims. That now suggests uptake could be dampened if the industry doesn't do something to lift quality. It takes around 7 yrs in most cases to recoup your home install investment with subsidies. If a system needs replacing because of quality issues then ROI goes out the window along with subsidies and we're likely to see a pullback or stalling of renewable uptake.
At the moment subsidies are manageable because renewables are a small percentage of the market and the additional cost and tarrif rates can be smoothed to accomodate the additional cost. As that ratio increases then somewhere along the cost curve the consumer is going to have to shoulder the full cost. As the market approaches that point resistance is likely to increase. I think that will prove difficult to overcome.
Another problem renewables face is that energy demand is increasing considerably but the bulk of that demand is industrial which renewables are in the main unable to supply.
Another point of resistance is large traditional energy suppliers who see renewables as a competitor.
Renewables won't fail over the long term but they are not the economic panacea you make them out to be. Renewable technologies are being pursued globally and Japan is just one player among many who has to fight for market share.
Quote:3. Incorporating women and immigrants into the workforce will fail, because you believe the Japanese people won't support it.That's one aspect of it. But how many immigrants does it take to make a difference? What jobs will they do? How would they contribute to improving Japan's economic outlook? How does Japan compete for quality immigrants when the whole world is doing the same thing. Japan needs to change its regulations to give immigrants equal rights with Japanese. It would need to initiate an education and media program to change attitudes both internally and externally.
Simply stating immigration could unlock economic opportunity without considering the complexity and difficulty in its implementation let alone the time frames it would take to see any economic benefit is fanciful at best. Japan has never been adept at welcoming foreigners. Quite the contrary. There's nothing I see that suggests they have the skill, desire or level of support that would indicate this could be achieved. Until they do something tangible it's just political hot air.
Quote:4. Generally speaking, Abe, Obama, Krugman, and anyone who agrees with anything in their respective financial doctrines will fail, because they're stupid.Again putting words in my mouth. Abe has no credibility. He's a once failed PM. So now that he's reborn with an old strategy that failed last time but repackaged as new with a slick marketing name like 3 arrows he's suddenly the messiah. If Abe was a failed property developer you'd be considered an idiot to sign up to his offerings second time round.
once fooled shame on you…twice fooled shame on me
Obama – i had high hopes for the guy. What a let down. He'll be remembered for drone strikes and that abomination called Abamacare.
Krugman – a guy who is widely considered to be very good in his specialist field of economics but an absolute muppet in theoretical macro economics. In the last few years he's been taken to the cleaners by some of his noted peers. He's become a bought and paid for mouthpiece of the NYT. That's a peer assessment not mine. In the front lines of economic activity he's not taken seriously by the big successful fund mangers who are widely regarded as astute intelligent players based on their performance not what they say.
Quote:I disagree with you. You disagree with me. Anything else we've been putting forth here are simply our own takes on current data from around the world, and don't change squat in our respective perspectives. You interpret it your way, I interpret it my way. It's getting tired. I propose from now on, you can respond to anything I post here with the slogan "Japan sucks", which sums up your view perfectly – I promise not to retaliate, and you can always have the last word. Maybe you can reach a similar agreement with the US guys too, save us all the tirades?Sooking again…