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- Tysonboss1 wrote:remember that the most capital cities have averaged close to or above 10% growth long term,…. and the rent generally increases faster than inflation,
Rubbish!
Ptialv wrote:Hi Everyone,
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Baiscally i want to find out the current value of my PPoR
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Bought it last year for 285K in april.
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i am in narre warren southWell, the REIV say that the Narre Warren median price was $260,000 in March last year and was $268,000 this September just gone. Mind you, that's the REIV… (http://data1.reiv.com.au/trendchart/)
Peter Hay from Hay Property Consultants is a little less bullish, saying:
- house prices had fallen by between 5% and 10% in the past 12 months in Melbourne's outer northern, western and eastern suburbs. Areas included the older parts of Hoppers Crossing, Wyndham Vale, Tarneit, Diggers Rest, Craigieburn, Roxburgh Park, Beaconsfield and Pakenham
– http://forum.globalhousepricecrash.com/index.php?showtopic=24636
No mention of Narre Warren, but it's in the general area of those listed outer eastern suburbs (which according to the REIV are also up by a similar amount to Narre Warren. But I agree with the other comments – the best indication is a truly comparable recent sale.
Cheers, F. [cowboy2]
Hey Masih, you could also check out a current thread on the very topic over on Steve Keen's blog here:
http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2007/11/08/deflated-changes-in-wages-and-debt-730-report-data/#comment-392How about http://www.invested.com.au/?
They have people talking about property investment too (including some rubbish, but some good)…ianvestor wrote:foundation wrote:How about the GHPC Australian Property Discussion Forum here: http://tinyurl.com/2drg6h
Cheers, F. [cowboy2]F, someone on that forum mentioned 'SS' as in the name of another forum or website. Do you know what SS is referring to?
That would be Somersoft!
http://www.somersoft.com/forums/Cheers, F. [cowboy2]
Masih wrote:Those who arent willing and dont have the ability to borrow then they have to rent. Everyone want to own their house provided they can afford to pay the mortgage. The more rates go up, the less the affordibility. Those who cant afford will rent. Is it wrong to use logic?Besides wages are one of the contributing factors affecting rents just like interest rates but not the only factor.
Rents have historically tracked pretty well with wages and general inflation. I can't see any factor today that hasn't existed at some point in the past that might make the next few years unique in history.
Quote:This is survey they've done regards to housing shortage
http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23636,22744122-31037,00.htmlYep, thanks for that, but it's wrong and rubbish. See my post to you here:
https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/property-investing/general-property/4322711Cheers, F. [cowboy2]
Hey Masih, the problem with that HIA spin is that, well, it's not actually true.
They have a vested interest in getting a better deal for their members. Scroll 3/4 of the way through the article to find out exactly which (self-serving) barrow they're pushing today.Then do a bit of research. Grab stats from the ABS – specifically, the number of households and the number of dwellings. Overlay these on a chart. Then divide annual population growth by average household size. This gives you an approximation of the number of dwellings that must be built to avoid a housing shortage. Contrast this figure with the current "underlying requirement" figures from the HIA. It’ll open your eyes. I’ve done it and would share it but I reckon sometimes it’s good for people to go through the motions themselves.
I’d love to see the results posted here when you’re done.
Cheers, F. [cowboy2]
How about the GHPC Australian Property Discussion Forum here: http://tinyurl.com/2drg6h
Cheers, F. [cowboy2]
It means the property failed to sell. The market price at that point of time was somewhat below the listed (failed) price.
Cheers, F. [cowboy2]
Oops, I meant to say – house prices are driven by the willingness and ability of people to borrow enough money to pay the price. Rents are driven by wages alone. You can't get a mortgage for rental payments.
Cheers, F. [cowboy2]
DraconisV wrote:Masih wrote:Besides, the more rate rises, the higher the rentals as most people wont be able to afford to a buy a house. So demand for rental properties will definitly go up.Thats exactly what I think too.
You will have more expenses but more income, balancing it out.
The difference is the stall(or slow down) of rising prices.
I will be getting into the market for the first time around the end of 2009(start of 2010) and I want to see rates go up and up and up, coz I know that rents will go up balancing the rate rises, and will stop prices going up between now and when I am ready to buy some property. The rising rents may not cover the rate rises, but they do help balance.Come on rates, i want more, higher, come on!!.
Lol, talk about doign things differently, high rates rock.
Nice theory guys, and rather convenient. Conveniently optimistic. I can't see any evidence of high interest rates leading to high rents, but, hey, I've only done the analysis and you've thought it through, right?
Have you checked out whether the claims of a housing shortage have any statistical basis (aside from REIx spin)?
Cheers, F. [cowboy2]
As long as the book is on sale, I can't see why people should stop asking the question.
Cheers, F. [cowboy2]
tch wrote:does he mean if you have, for example, a 300k loan and have 200k owing with 100k available for redraw, you have the minimum amount of cash reserve you should have to buy another property?The problem with 'equity' is that it isn't cash. Banks can (and do) checks of loans and valuations. If prices begin to fall or credit becomes harder to come by, 'equity' might not be available. Especially LOC 'equity' – do check the T & C on LOC documents – they very explicitly state that the lender has the right to revoke or lower credit limits at their discretion.
Cheers, F. [cowboy2]
Maybe your explanation need simplifying and clarifying and your question rephrasing?
Perhaps like this:
"I have 3 investment properties and one PPOR. The PPOR is currently mortgaged for $130k and I would prefer to see this gone. I have sufficient funds to repay the loan, but am considering using this money to purchase another two properties instead. Are there any obvious advantages or disadvantages to either route?"
My answer will be pretty simple and direct. Something like "the first option leaves you with fewer assets but less debt. This would be the conservative path. The second option leaves you with more assets and more debt. This is a more aggressive path. Ultimately the choice is yours."
Cheers, F. [cowboy2]
So how's it going? I noticed the advertisement:
http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bin/rsearch?a=o&id=104414782&f=0&p=10&t=res&ty=&fmt=&header=&c=48570837&s=vic&tm=1194398397Any quick offers or interest generated by your finance plan?
Cheers, F. [cowboy2]
surfermark wrote:Anyone know how/if they actually check you have lived in your house for 6 months starting within the first 12
Do the OSR follow this up activelyYes they do. They also use data matching – believe me, everybody from the ATO to the Electoral Office know where you're living these days.
Quote:Has anyone been through this?Not me, but some 3500 people in NSW alone have been forced to repay the money and as many as 20+ prosecuted.
http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23636,22653771-31037,00.htmlCheers,
F. [cowboy2]erratik, that's it in a nutshell. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not next year… but unless we find a supplementary industry the size of our current natural resources industry, we're headed for the worst correction in living memory. Most likely the greatest depression in our nation's history. Both the 1890s and 1930s depressions were preceded by just such a credit conundrum. This time it's just much bigger:
Now back on topic: The RBA has raised interest rates another 0.25% this morning, with fairly hawkish warnings of inflation breaching 3% by Q1 next year.
F. [cowboy2]
Yossarian wrote:If you're running a current account deficit of biblical proportions in the midst of an export bonanza and then the music stops….Of course, if we had taken advantage of the most significant boom in living memory by investing in skills, infrastructure and education rather than creating the world's largest election pork barrell, perhaps we'd have plan B……
We do have a plan B. Borrow money.
Wrap your head around this one… we have been borrowing money (at a national level – ie private debt) much faster than we've been earning money (at a national level – GDP). This is an unsustainable practise. However, if we had only ever borrowed at a sustainable rate, our economy would have been in recession for several years. This unsustainable borrowing/spending spree will naturally end at some point and we'll go into recession (declining GDP). What effect does that have on the aforementioned 'sustainable rate' of credit growth?
Cheers, F. [cowboy2]
Yossarian wrote:Nix,
The question I would ask is whether you are looking to invest or speculate. That is, is your expectation a quick return your goal or a longer term hold. If the former, I wouldn't consider it an appropriate first time play.Now that is good advice! You got a license for that Yossarian?
pjk1966 wrote:Hi NixI am going to make the assumption that the off the plan proerty you intend to buy is in a major city.
Buying off the plan in this situation can mean that you will benefit from the capital growth the property will see between now and when it is completed. The price you are buying it for is at today's market value, but you do not need to pay the settlement amount until the settlement date.
To understand how capital growth works you need to realise that there exists a Property Cycle. The value of properties in major capital cities in past years since 1960 has increase dramaticlly every 7 – 10 years. The last property boom that occured wsa in 2004 at which time properties in major cities around Australia say the greatest number of sales and therefore capital growth. At present we are just coming out of the mid point in the current cycle which means that many properties will see good growth until 2010/11. Now is the perfect time to buy.
In many cases property in major cities around Australian has doubled in value every 7 years.A deposit bond is not negotiable. Lending institutions require that you have 3 times the bond amount in available funds before they will issue your deposit bond.
The tax benefits you gain from a new investment, ie Building and fitting depreciation, plus the expenses involed in the property, ie. property management fees, body corporate, rates etc are all tax deductions. An Accountant can help you to fill out and submit a Tax Variation Form that allows you to pay a reduced rate from your weekly income, this provides you with increased cash flow to help service your loan.
I am sorry I have not read Steve's newsletter so I can't really comment on that.
I hope this information is useful and please do get professional advice.
My office is in Brisbane
Phillip Kelly
Property Investment AdvisorLic. Qld. Real Estate Sales Person
Yes, please do get professional advice, because the above is pure uninformed rubbish. And you call yourself a 'property investment advisor'? Shet a brick!
Nix, please follow this advice:
- Don't sign anything. You're going to be exposed to high pressure, underhand sales tactics from this company when you visit them. Run any offers they push on you past some experienced investors before you buy. Even float them here and somersoft for advice
- Know the risks. There are major risks associated with this kind of investment. Primarily, you can find yourself unable to finance the deal at completion (due to tighter lending standards or declines in valuation) and be forced to lose your deposit – or worse: persued through the courts for losses if you fail to buy. This happened to hundreds of apartment buyers in Melbourne in 2004 and 2005. And more recently to people seeking help on this forum.
- Don't sign anything.
The 'deals' you will get on OTP apartment purchases, particularly those sold by companies with 'investment' in their name or job description are almost invariably BAD deals. Seriously.
Cheers, F. [cowboy2]