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    Fair enough Dazzling. Apologies all.
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    John, you wrote:

    the estate (dolphin waters) has another 1100 more blocks to develop , with most of the buyers retired ,sold their family home and looking to rent while their dream home

    and

    Occupation: Land Sales

    and

    Website: Dolphinwaters

    and when I call the sales office the phone is answered by

    John speaking

    yet you claim:

    there is no financial interest to me at all

    What **deleted**, is this not your job ?! Or don’t they pay you?

    [angry2]F.[cowboy2]

    PS – anybody interested in purchasing property in the region should stay away from dishonest salesmen. I’m not claiming the previous poster is one (save the lawsuit, <edit> my good friend), just making a general comment!

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    Hi John, do you really think it is ethical to spruik overpriced, low-yielding properties in oversupplied areas (with practically no geographical limit to expansion)? If that is indeed ethical, should you not at least disclose your interests in this development? Are you not treading dangerously close to a landmine?

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    I personally wouldn’t buy in this estate for $50k, let well alone $320k. It sounds like a real turkey, particularly if devious marketing methods are required to make sales.

    (see, internet marketing works both ways!!)

    F.

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    Ok, I’ll have a shot. I believe the next cyclical low for residential real estat in Melbourne & Sydney will be in 2012 and the next cyclical high late in 2019 or early 2020. These lows & highs should take into account inflation (ie any capital gain less than the rate of CPI inflation for a given period constitutes a real loss).

    What do you reckon?
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    Victoria (the state) here again… surely you’re only paying the water rates, and your tenant is paying for usage? In which case, yes, the more they use, the more they’ll pay. Your cost is fixed.

    On the broader picture (“oh look, over there, a soap-box!”), I believe that water should be much more expensive than it currently is. I say remove water restrictions where they currently exist and charge for metered use on an exponential sliding scale, beginning at roughly 10x the current rate in Vic.
    Why? Because our growing cities (SE Aus/WA) are draining our water storage, infrastructure and capacity. We need to invest heavily in these areas to ‘drought proof’ ourselves. Yet as storage levels decline, the government/s have been enabled to stick their heads in the sand and simply restrict water useage by a public who believes that:
    a) building/expanding dams is environmentally immoral
    b) washing the car from a bucket & catching the wasted cold water from the first few shower seconds is a long-term solution to a growing problem.

    Higher water charges would:
    a) dissuade wasteful use
    b) enable expenditure on infrastructure & new technologies
    c) show the ‘no dams’ brigade the effect of limiting the supply of a necessary commodity.

    Cheers, F.[cowboy2]

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    Originally posted by Don and Liz:

    Hi Foundation,
    Wasn’t the armageddon supposed to happen last year or was it 2003? Maybe it will be next year or the year after!

    No, you must be thinking of the Holllywood blockbuster starring Bruce Willis…
    Banking problems usually come after a boom, not at it’s peak. Referring to recent history, take Westpac post the previous house price boom. There is a very good reason why they have been far more cautious than most other lenders with the Low Doc market this time…
    Cheers, F.[cowboy2]

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    I think it’s simply the square root of $15 billion plus $189.51 for miscellaneous costs.

    Keep the questions coming, I’m glad to help,
    F.[cowboy2]

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    2 properties, 0% gearing, 0% yield.

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    There are no completely isolated, totally seperate ‘markets’ in the real estate world. The closest you’ll get is residential vs commercial vs industrial. Believe me, a further 10-18% fall in Sydney median house price as mentioned in the article (on top of the 7-10% already experienced) would have a ripple effect through every suburb in every city in the country. Not least because it would bring some of our major banks to the brink of financial armageddon…
    It is one big market with local variations and also timing variations. Sure Perth prices are still on the up, but so were Sydney prices in 2003 when Perth was still languishing behind. Tassie was booming late last year, but is now seeing falling prices – same for Brisbane / GC. A big part of the story involves interstate investors who have seen their ‘local market’ (in your speak) flatten and look elsewhere for some action. This works both ways, driving prices up faster and futher than a purely isolated market could, then the inverse once the profits are hoovered out.

    Cheers & crackers, F.[cowboy2]

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    Hi Nazzy, I’ll be happy to make a prediction, but first you’ll need to define:
    – What constitutes a ‘boom’? The more specific the better; XX years/quarters of sustained, continual growth not less than XX% in excess of CPI inflation for example.

    – How do you measure the house price doubling bit? Are we talking from 2003 prices 2005 prices or from the bottom of the current cycle (which we are still far from IMNSHO)? Nominal or real (inflation adjusted) medians? If you mean a real doubling from 2003 prices, I will wager that I’ll not see this occur during my lifetime (ie another 30-70 years) for Sydney or Melbourne.

    Plenty more house price cycle talk here.
    Cheers, F.

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    Originally posted by DeClair:

    I think you have to consider that John Symonds and his brokerage chain has a vested interest in the brokerage from property turnover …

    Originally posted by grossrealisation:

    Call me a bit synical but if you sell rain jackets the best way to sell jacket is by saying its going to rain.
    Just like real estate say its the best time to buy ( from me).

    Originally posted by DeClair:

    By encourageing people to sell, it means more people buying, and more brokerage!

    His word are cheap, he needs turnover/brokerage earning!

    You all seem to be forgetting something:

    Honest John, courtesy of SUNDAY:

    That is why I am saying no rush to buy, people, no rush. We will have a wider selection of properties to choose from at probably a lower price. So why would you rush in?

    If it is turnover he is after, why on earth would he be advising people NOT TO BUY??? This statement was positioned in the most valuable spot, right at the end of the piece, which ensures it is remembered by the viewers.
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    During a recent bout of severe insomnia, I was fortunate enough to catch J. Fitzwhatsit’s infomercial on the teev at about 4.30am. This guy seems to be a bog-standard spruiker with as a bonus a team of mortgage brokers, advisers, etc working ‘for you’ (yeah right!).
    I can’t take seriously anyone who spouts the old ‘property prices double every seven to ten years’ mantra without pointing out that this is not only historically inaccurate beyond (and even within, depending which 7-10 years you pick) the early 1970s, nor that past performance is not indicative of future performance, nor that there are in fact a multitude of reasons why property prices will not double between 2003 and 2013.
    He fails to mention that the current low inflation / low interest rate situation is actually a catch 22; “Low inflation – Letting your loan linger longer” as the saying goes means that wages will rise much more slowly than in the past, therefore, house prices will be limited to doubling more slowly, and the repayments and rent will stay relatively higher as a proportion of income. Should wage inflation pick up speed, the Reserve Bank will be forced to hike interest rates… anyway, I’ll stop rambling. I’d suggest you save your money and attend Nkibel’s seminar instead. Not that I have much more faith in his understanding of economics, market forces or business cycles, but he seems like a really nice kind of guy…. actually, scratch that. Come on down to my beach shack for a weekend, bring a slab of beer (preferably J.Squire or Coopers) and your $290 will get you two days of one-on-one econo-chat, market discussion and a healthy dose of logic thrown in for free. (Gee, talk about positive cashflow – for me!)
    Or for the best of all worlds, why not stash your cash in a high interest account (alternatively buy a couple of gold sovereigns ;-)), and spend your spare time reading. There is a wealth of information available all for free on the internet – on sites such as this one, henrythornton, the economist, rba, abs, amp, macquarie uni, somersoft, etc, etc.

    F.[cowboy2]

    NB – If I’ve failed to write in a coherent or logical manner, let me know and I’ll go draft some new legislation for the government.

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    …but without protection, all the incredible architecture, detail and history of these houses would be lost, only to have 2 or 3 box-shaped, Beiruit style ‘townhouses’ crammed onto their original blocks… is this really more desireable?
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    Okay then. But I think both Keynes and Mises would probably disagree, as would ING and Bankwest who have created billion dollar businesses in Australia in very short periods of time… by offering higher interest rates (than existing banks).
    My opinion stands – low interest rates encourage debt, high interest rates encourage savings.
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    … yuh? Higher interest rates DO provide incentive to save. They also discourage malinvestment which often leads to unsustainable asset price bubbles.

    I agree with westan. I also still suggest that investors in Oz may be prudent to at least consider the same.
    Cheers, F.[cowboy2]

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    Originally posted by Mortgage Hunter:

    In NSW offers are verbal and nothing is binding util contracts are exchanged.

    … I’m almost certain the same applies in Victoria? Experts please? Is an verbal offer considered by law a ‘verbal contract’? Otherwise surely there is no legal requirement for any exchange to take place…
    [eh]?
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    A few of my thoughts:

    1) A LOT of people have been caught doing what you describe and not moving into their properties. They have had to repay the original grant, and in many cases, additional costs & penalties have been imposed.

    2) As a result, the number of checks has been INCREASED.

    3) Here are some ways they may catch you out:
    – Utilities (electricity, telephone, water, gas) NOT in your name.
    – Utilities in your name at an alternative address.
    – Utilities in another person’s name.
    – No change of your postal address, license address.
    – Talking with your neighbours.
    – Talking with your tenants, “When did you move out?”, “Can we see the bond reciept/ evidence of bond repayment?”
    – Continued money transfers or cheques from tenants to your bank account (yes, they have the power…)
    – etc…

    Please note, I am not trying to give advice on how to defraud the common wealth of Australia, just pointing out that it is very easy for them to prove you have done so.

    4) Don’t think for a second that you’re ‘off the hook’ once you’ve made it past the first year. You implied here:

    …. so basically after renting it out privatly for a year, i have got my grant, i dont ever have to move in cause whos to say i havnt been living there for a year ? and i can continue renting it.

    that this is the case. You will still have broken a legally binding commitment, and can (and should) be penalised.

    That’s all I have to say to you. Please note that I have been very restrained, as what I would really like to convey to you would doubtlessly result in a permanent ban from this forum.

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    I quite enjoy strange phonecalls. If you’re bored, try “Oh yeah, you sound hot”, and if that is not enough to send them packing, follow up with “so, what are you wearing?”…

    There is a wealth of fun to be had. For example, this is a true story from last night, around 6.30pm:

    [phone rings]
    ME: Hello, M_______ speaking.
    [pause, some distant clicking]
    ME: Hello, M_______ speaking?
    India: Hello, is this Mr Dave?
    ME: Nope, this is M_______.
    India: Oh, ok. Can I speak to Mr Dave please?
    ME: Uh… Yes, this is Dave, how are you?
    India: Hello Mr Dave, This is Rachel from Citibank calling, I would just like a few moments of your time..
    ME: Look, this is a bad time…
    India: Oh, sorry sir, can I call you back?
    ME: Yes, that would be great, you see there’s a cow that’s escaped from a nearby farm and has got into my backyard and I need to go out there and kill it. Could you call back in five minutes?
    India: Oh…. I’ll call you… on Monday then.
    ME: Great… oh s**t, that bloody cow! RIGHT, COME HERE!…

    T’will be interesting to see if ‘Rachel’ calls back tomorrow night. I’ll be prepared if she does.

    Apologies to all and any Hindus.

    F.[cowboy2]

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    – Offer it to your existing tennant as a ‘greenhouse’?
    – …
    Nope, that’s all I’ve got.

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    Frustration understood. However, if you’d taken the time to read back through my posts before jumping in with an angry response, you’ll find that I’m always prepared to back my views with logic/reasoning/data, enjoy being challenged and, when appropriate, put in my place.

    I’ll happily admit to being little more than a lucky mug with investments over the last 5 years or so, having no formal economics training, not being a millionaire, working 9to5, living a modest (frugal even?) lifestyle and never having written a book. I am about average in every way – IQ, education, income, looks, height, len… [blink]… ahem. [blush2]

    For your specific pleasure, in the first hour of trade today:

    GDR: -2.27%
    OSH: -3.34%
    ROC: -2.44%


    AVE: -2.69%

    The only positive so far is gold up half a percent in AUD after the RBA left rates at 5.5%.

    FWIW, I’m not advocating the ASX as a guaranteed or even likely place to make money in the near term. Earlier in this thread I wrote:

    I’m expecting a fairly major share pull-back in late Oct-Nov. I’d put a dollar on the XAO below 4200…

    Given movements in the XAO have clearly outlined a ‘head & shoulders’ event over the last fortnight (Check a 10 day chart if you have access), as confirmed by this mornings heavy falls, I would, in fact urge caution.

    Sorry we’ve got off on the wrong foot blogs. All the best.

    F.[cowboy2]

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