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    Sí, es tristemente verdad que soy estúpido.

    That aside, my post was a light-hearted parody of Hutch's earlier post. I even put in two smileys! As for public displays of contempt, I assure you, you have never featured in discussions on the house price crash forum. Others may have.

    I clearly lacked tact when I pointed out the other day that constructing additional rooms on your house without a permit was a 'no-no'. I apologise.

    Cheers, F. [cowboy2]

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    Good reply Richard!

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    Yes, Foundation! It's at the top of every post. The foundations are the most important part of a building….
    Except for the building permit!

    Cheers, F. [cowboy2]

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    crashy wrote:
    He reckons the rear structure isnt council approved and this is quite a shock because when I bought the house 6 months ago the building inspector said the supports were insufficient, which caused me to tell my solicitor to specificly do a search for this. The solicitor never came back with anything and I assumed it was all ok. Council involved is Redcliffe, QLD.
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    Do I have a case against the solicitor?
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    the structure is a deck / patio and the council guy (didnt show me I.D, just walked on down the back where I was) says it didnt exist on aeriel photos 2 yrs ago. Thats quite amazing to me since the deck has rotting boards and asbestos for a roof. Me thinks he is mistaken.

    anyways it was the neighbour who dobbed me in (just a vindictive 2 faced cow trying to justify her existance) cos I closed in the deck to make a sunroom.

    so I guess if I remove a window and put the back door in original position that "opens it up again" and theres no problem? this council guy thinks he is the terminator.

    What are you wanting to sue your solicitor for? What are you angry at the neighbour for? You can't just go around 'turning decks into sunrooms', putting in windows and shifting doors without a building permit!

    Cheers, F. [cowboy2]

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    blogs wrote:
    So those of us with 'thick skulls' can understand can you please explain to me how with two incomes you are unable to save up a deposit? Where are you looking to buy? How much deposit do you want/need? Sooooo what you are saying is that you are complaining you cant afford a $630k house? Im guessing you and your partner would be on around $45k? so $70 a year by your magical 7 gets you $630k??

    Typo? Matho?

    $70k x 7 = $490k = $721pw Interest @ 7.65%

    A couple on $70k per year would surely only be looking to take a loan of $210k to $250k max?

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    Hi Kenzal. I don't know your personal circumstances. However, I like to offer the following advice to FHBs:

    Are you stretching to buy the most expensive property you can relative to your income. Why? Do you realise that over the long term it will almost certainly be more financially rewarding to buy a slightly cheaper place and pay it off in half the time?

    Let’s analyse that more closely. Say you can afford $500pw repayments.

    You can:

    a) repay a $300,000 loan @ 7.8% over 30 years, 100% financing
    b) repay a $230,000 loan @ 7.8% over 15 years, 100% financing

    For the same payments you can own outright a $230,000 house in 15 years or you can be still owing over $200,000 on a $300,000 house.

    Even if house prices rise 60% over that time, you’d have a fully-owned $368,000 asset instead of $280,000 equity in a $480,000 house.

    Please consider NOT over-stretching to buy real-estate.

    Cheers, F.

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    rob2626 wrote:
    If Labour get in, which i think is most likely to happen unfortunately, the property market will slow dramatically.

    Why? The PM (John Howard) says that house prices will jump 3% if Labor (note:no u) are elected.

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    a free man wrote:
    Foundation you really should get out more.

    I'll take your advice on board. You just need to understand that I approach all aspects of life in the same way – with skepticism (this is a scientific method, not a dirty word. Google it, it's easily learned; "scientific skepticism" or "critical thinking" should get you started). It took me all of 2 minutes to dig up the facts and bust up a couple of the most prevalent myths about property. I think this is a better approach than basing decisions on the misinformation or misunderstanding of others.

    Cheers, F. [cowboy2]

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    a free man wrote:

    I believe that with such an undersupply of homes being built and the lowest vacancy rates for decades that property will be more resiliant in the next recession.

    Hi Free man,

    I'm just wondering why you think there is an undersupply of homes being built? Did you arrive at this conclusion based on your assessment of all available evidence or did you read it in the news? And if you read it in the news, did you check that the source didn't have a vested interest in convincing the public that there was an undersupply?

    I've looked at the stats and come up with the opposite conclusion. I asked the question "does the net household formation rate exceed the building of new dwellings?"

    The recent census results certainly don't show any undersupply. To recap the relevant ones:

    • Average household size unchanged at 2.6% for both 2001 and 2006 census
    • Vacant dwellings markedly increased from 717,877 (9.2% of all dwellings) in 2001 to 830,376 (9.9%) in 2006

    Source: 2006 Census QuickStats : Australia

    The first statistic shows clearly that the rate of construction has at least matched the rate of household formation. The second shows that the rate of construction has in fact exceeded the rate of household formation. Not only is there no undersupply, there is an oversupply based on fundamental measures.

    It also shows that the 'immigration causes higher house prices' argument which resonates so well with the public is a furphy.
    It also shows that the 'State government are undersupplying land' argument is a furphy.

    Cheers, F. [cowboy2]

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    James007 wrote:
    If your are not leveriging the banks money you will take much longer to build up a substancial portfolio if property goes up say on average 10% PA then 10% of $500,000 is $50,000 as aposed to 10% of $6,000,000 $600,000 no guessing on which option makes you richer.

    Psst! Have you back-tested your theory with historical data?

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    L.A Aussie wrote:
    There are two schools of thought on that:

    1. sell the property and take the cash profit and use this as deposits on more properties, thus minimising the debt.

    This is also the only true way to 'lock in the value' or 'withdraw equity' without exposing oneself to the possibility of unattainable valuations which can become very problematic in future. I've posted examples of this before (people unable to sell their house/unit for the price they 'need' having borrowed against it).

    Personally, I'd prefer to own $500,000 of unencumbered property assets than $6,000,000 of assets with $5,000,000 of debt. If house prices do double every 7 to 10 years (I don't expect them to), why would I need $6 mill of assets anyway? My $0.5 mill will return $500k over period one, $1 million over period 2, $2 million over period 3… and by that time I'll be retiring in extreme luxury. If the capital gain is lower than this, I'll retire with less luxury, but I'd suggest more than I would have if I was trying to carry many millions of dollars worth of debt…

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    RobL wrote:

    Ah yes … but vis-a-vis purchasing power .. watch the State and National WCI :-)

    Absolutely! When wage rises become entrenched and wage costs push up goods prices, that's when we'll all understand inflation just a little bit better!.. Assuming the economy doesn't first fall over under the sheer weight of debt it's carrying…

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    Depends on your definition of inflation Xenia. The Austrian school of economic thought would tell you that inflation is expansion of the money supply (which devalues the unit of currency). Broad money is growing in excess of 14% per year…

    If you prefer to measure inflation by looking at prices, the CPI is just one way of doing so. You could look at true household costs which are growing much faster (more weight to food, fuel, housing, bills, less weight to imported Chinese pap) than CPI. Or you could look at house price inflation

    It doesn't matter how you look at it, inflation is always a monetary phenomenon. You can measure it by various means, but what you're really asking is "how much has the purchasing power of the dollar declined"?

    Cheers, F.

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    Nigel Kibel wrote:
    The bestopportunities for positive cashfloe remain in the United States. The market is flat there. You can buy properties in main cities that will cashflow.

    You prepared to clarify two points?
    1) "The market is flat there." Have the NAR (National Association of Realtors) recently predicted that the housing market as a whole will fall this year for the first time since the Great Depression? Did S&P just conduct a massive downward revaluation in sub-prime securitised bonds based on their expectation of somewhere around 8% decline in prices?

    2) "Properties in main cities that will cashflow". Just how main? You mean large cities with significant economic problems? Or say, Las Vegas, New York, etc?

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    Aurelius wrote:
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    mahahaha "more or less finished" I remember people saying that in 2001. What downturns are you referring to? I wouldnt worry about trying to predict future opportunities until you have a handle on current ones :)

    However, the link below your post point to a page that states

    "PROPERTY? BAH!
    The property run is over. Property is expensive and rental yields are low. "

    what the? Did I miss something?

    The question has been asked before, and this was the answer:

    Paul Crewther Posted: 05 Dec, 2005 wrote:
    The course was written (and website designed) back in August 2003. You may recall at that time property was peaking. Every man and his dog wanted into the market, Henry Kaye et al were spruiking seminars…..it was a mania in its purest form.

    By coincedence, share values at that time were extremely low. The XJO index was coming up from 2700.

    Property was yielding 3% while shares were yielding 8%.

    So if you were a Financial Advisor with any credibility…….would you be recommending property or shares?

    My view has now changed. I see shares as heavily overvalued. Property is still overvalued so that leaves cash or forex as viable investments.

    http://www.number.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2816&sid=fd207ab67eb88e7d96d2c5f308ee8d44

    But naturally, the $590 worth of training (a staggering 57,000 words on 155 A4 pages!!! Hmmm, I've written more than that in the last 4 weeks…) is still available… for those who want to find out what they should be doing four years ago!!!

    Also noteworthy, the phrase "if you were a Financial Advisor with any credibility…….would you be recommending property or shares?"

    Surely you've not been making such recommendations? I notice you were careful to write "This course provides educational materal only. No specific investment advice is ever given, nor should it ever be taken as such" on the website…

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    So what do you reckon Marc, was that time an aberration before a return to the normal situation we’re in today? Or is today the aberration, and will the 11 second rule work again at some point in the future? Or (third and final option), have we reached another “permanently high plateau” such as the one celebrated by Irving Fisher in the early part of 1929?

    In the case of the first or third, wouldn’t the right action for Mr McKnight be to withdraw his book for sale?

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    turtie22 wrote:
    The 11 second rule is kinda outdated and is no longer applicable in today's property market.

    So that would make it a "guideline" rather than a "rule"? ;-)

    I'm curious, does anybody have a credible explanation of why the 11 second rule used to work but now doesn't?

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    crashy wrote:
    if you believe these clowns, the property market is doomed.
    I pity the poor fools who have listed to this nonsense over the last few years and missed out on one hell of a ride. Listenening to these clowns is hazardous to your financial health.

    Oi! It's generally a good idea to remain polite and keep one's hubris in check. Google Solon's warning, or read Fooled by Randomness by Nassim Nicholas Taleb. For what it's worth, I spend a great deal of time on a forum where some people are considerably more bearish than those you've linked to!

    Oh, I almost forgot, WayneL was (is?) a long-time member of this forum. He is an experienced and successful investor/trader in a range of assets and markets, and his knowledge is up there with the best! Unfortunately, the WayneL Trading Pages site is no longer available – it had a great beginner's guide to trader psychology… bummer.

    So yeah, fools, clowns and hazards… depends on your perspective I guess.

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    Just a very basic question first, if the caveat existed before you bought the property, were you aware of it? Did your solicitor inform you of it and its implication?

    Cheers, F. [cowboy2]

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    very eager to get started as Robert Kiyosaki has inspired me to do so.

    m.pulley wrote:
    Ask your financial advisor if he/she has made as much money as Rob Kiyosaki. Then decide who's advice you would tend to follow in this area.

    Just checking, we are talking about the same guy right? The one who wrote:

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    Lately, I have been asked if we are in a real estate bubble. My answer is, "Duh!" In my opinion, this is the biggest real estate bubble I have ever lived through. Next, I am asked, "Will the bubble burst?" Again, my answer is, "Duh!"

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    So the answer to the question, "Will the real estate bubble bust?" is an emphatic, "Yes. All bubbles bust." The reason I write this alert is because this time, when the bubble bursts, I think it will be a monster. Never in my life have I seen so much money being made on such weak fundamentals. If you think the last recession caused by the bubble bust was bad, the coming recession will be at least twice as bad. It might lead to a depression.

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    This real estate bubble has made many people very, very, rich. I hope it has made you rich. It has certainly made Kim and I very, very rich. But in my opinion, this party is over…

    http://whgbetc.com/meta/booms-bust.html
    … we are talking about the same guy right?

    I’m not a Kiyosaki fan. Personally I find him arrogant and ignorant and more than a little bit annoying. But if you’re going to do as he says (rather than as he does – spruiks), you need to be fully informed.

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