as usual westan, my sentiments exactly
im not as astute as you but i have similar opinions about what you are saying
im not in a positon to travel and i like to be close to my properties for the psychological security
therefore im happy with 6-8%yields in areas which i think has potential CG in the next 5-10 years
alternatively i can think outside the box and invest elsewhere but i would not be able to put in the due diligence required due to my busy job(which i like)
im only 3 with 4 properties overall CF +ve and i can see myself working for another 20+ years
i wouldn’t know what to do with myself otherwise and i can’t see myself just doing RE stuff only although its great
So anyway Westan, i’ve spoken to you a few times and thx for replies.
Any suggestions that you think might help me would be greatly appreciated
Perhaps one day i will get to meet you in NZ
well guys, someone once told me it is not the result of the action that matters but is the intention behind it.
A common scenario these days are for eg. wrappers like Otten who i believe pretends to have a good intention of helping battlers and when it sort of work ot he exclaims himself as an aussie hero. However, we at the back of our minds know that his intention was only to make himself rich and if the battlers don’t make the payments then theres hell to pay for.
So even if his resultant actions may appear to be beneficial to tese people his intentions were not.
At the end of the day we answer to our conscience and intentions and we can only leave the result of the action to predestination.
i dont think i can sleep at night doing what these people do
no matter how you sugar wrap it; Steve or anyone out there, the wrap technique is never helpful
higher interest rates, wrappee is like a modern day slave with an invisible collar around their necks, no potential insurance to cover their potential mishaps to keep up payments thus potentially losing all they earn forif the law is for the people it should ban wrapping
im just very angry to see these bastards drive mercedes, get plastic surgery, Armani etc – non-essential things in life, prosper out of everyday honest individuals who wants their own home AND to earn it (unlike the Scotts in TDT who trashes props)
even if one is an Atheist you would get the feeling these people will have to pay for it one way or another
Do it the traditional way, provide reasonable rent, be a good landlord and just be kind to one another
Easier said than done. Im no angel but all should strife to sustain a level of integrity that we can say “I am a human being”
why do people keep refering to today tonite and what they have to say
who cares?
dont wanna be a bigot but erm…. the only people who are featured here are ferals’ boguns, losers and trailer park trashes nb. jerry springer variety specials.
this may include a few of people but hopefully not in this forum.
sorry to mention this but someone’s gotta say it and my necks out on the chopping block
overall CF+ve 10 K/ yr valued just over 1.1 mil with 500 K owing
intially slightly negative or neutral then paid off more to make it positive.
looking for long term 10-15 years goal
so this is what im comfy with; well located properties within 40-50 K from CBD with potential for growth priced below 200 K on a good piece of slab and minimal outgoings
People talk too much about props IN GENERAL but i think one has to look at props in different price categories, areas, potential etc. The houses priced <200K will always increase and demands will always be good and if not, it will only be transient because popn is always growing and people need a place to stay and they buy whats affordable. Also recently in API they said that housing affordabilty hasnt changed that much compared to 15 yrs ago due to better salaries and CPI. Investors may be a little more cautious about buying ie. in a non-frenzied state but i believe value of props will at least hold or drop a ittle at worse in my described areas.
well it was worth the wait westan
i guess my ambitions in property investing isnt as limtless as yours
i have 4 props and my best performing one is $180K purchase for $250 rent now prop median is $420K in that area
could you pls PM me at some stage re NZ props. I’m interrested in possible investments there
another thing
population growing
people can live with a sky over their head 24/7
like food and water, a roof over our heads in the most affordable area is a PRIMARY need meaning you will sacrifice/commit either buying or renting to stay alive
in most regions – 50 within CBD, large regional areas prices will at least hold or increase at CPI rate where supply < demands ie residential not apartments etc
i cant wait to see what happens
i think cheapies 100-200 K close to CBD areas will still have the better growth, no doubt
those that are all in debt esp in sydney and melbourne are cruisin for a bruisin
re: the economist – how many economist in the richest 200 or even the richest 200000 are there present?
thanks for the tip
i bought in melton
about 700 m2 of flat land
3 bedrooms ensuite and semi-ensuite
15 square house
garage
19 yo
5 mins walk to Vic Uni
Rented by good tennants for 2 years – no problems watsoever, house is 2X cleaner/more immaculate than mine(definately better carpets)
all for just $156000
probably will live there after 15 years or so to enjoy some rural respite
so thanks for advice, i love this place……..for now
What about this idea
All of you are talking about extremes of property investment – truly positive cashflow and all the problems that go with it like poor CG and tennants either crap or non-existant or negatively geared but sucks your wealth and make you work forever
I am a person who belives in balance
What about getting neutral or slightly negatively geared properties in reasonable areas that are 100 – 200K that gets 5-6% return and in 5- 10 years time you have a balnce of CG and positive cashflow
You see during the time Steve bought in 97 he was lucky to get these properties cheaply in ballarat/bendigo and now also enjoys CG
Therefore props like these do not really exist anymore and the divide of positive/negative CF props are growing even further apart
Therefore i reckon neutral/slightly negatively geared props are a good investment in the long term
You may not retire in 5-10 years like Steve or Westan etc. but at least you would know you would retire early and if not retire comfortably while not sacrificing too much comforts in heavy -vely geared props or suffer the possible consequences of dud +ve cashflow props
Ive to agree with sis and yack. The old adage of you get what you pay for applies in 90% of life. Sure fortune favours the brave etc, however, an investment for me is an investment both in my future and my psychological well being and being able to slepp at night knowing i have a neutral or slightly -ve geared prop but able to provide constant good rent with good tennants that arent going to die in my faulty house
My goal is to have enough passive income through our trust that my folks can do all the travelling they want while they are young enough. I also want to be able to choose when/where I work. I will work, cos i will go mental doing nothing at all.
I used to have a goal to own 100 houses, but now I don’t really care how many. I will employ somebody who’s sole task is to manage them for me, and to find more that we can buy together. In this way this person will learn and will also benefit.
I’m also wanting to set up some scholarships, but the more I read/see, the more different things I want to do/help, so I guess I need to get one idea and stick with it, and then perhaps move on from there.
Cheers
Mel
Hi melbear,
I’m 30 years young and own 3 props and still working and will remain doing so even if i become independent cos i like doing what i do. I like property and looking at them and will like guidance and will do leg work on weekends when im not busy. We could perhaps have an arrangement where i can go looking at stuff where you think is worth it and we can talk about those areas. Whaddaya reckon?, we can communicate via this website etc. and see how it goes
Like my dad tells me, “If i had an idea which i can make quick millions, why the hell would i want to tell everyone else, even for a high price”
There is only a finite wealth pool in this world and if someone is making miilions fast, many is going to have to lose quick. So if this someone tells this “secret” to everyone else who tells it to more people, sudddenly there would be hundreds if not thousands of millionaires and the economical infrastructure would have to collapse at some point.
So there we go, fear and greed, basic human emotions, that allow time and again, us to put ourselves in a position of ruin; financially, emotionally, mentally and sometimes morally.
I try to tell myself everday that what I have may be not as much as some of you guys here( 3IPs in good burbs) but I have a sound job that makes a difference to people’s life, a supportive family and in a position of reasonable comfort if i contine in my path.
Those in similar position or not i think should think about all the good things in their lives and not worry about getting or missing out on the next superb IP deal.
However, i feel that sometimes this site can offer false hopes to those who are new or disiilusioned with life to find new ways to make a living and to emulate Steve and Dave; though most of us know the effort in 2004 is about 10X more than 1997.(I’m not saying this site is unscrupulous, its great and informative but one must understand before indulging into areas unknown)
what i really hate about people like this is the way they prey or your average hard working wage earning individuals who invest in their family’s interests as well as a promise of a better life which we all hope for. Unfortunately, not all has the resources (eg. knowledge, family and friends) to guide or at least reflect upon what they are contemplating and therefore fall into an ever spiralling trap that they can’t get out from.
For example, I heard that one migrant wanting a better life for his family actually borrowed $20,000 or thereabouts to attend the courses, got nothing and now has to pay interests on something that gets him no profit ie extreme negative gearing if you could call that.
These bastards like HK creates prisons without bars and those can be the worse kind there is.