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    Hi Josh

    Firstly, thanx for taking the time to help out investors with information on the Mining Towns.

    Your blog updates and forum posts have been great reading.

    I have purchaed homes in the Bowen Basin, Surat Basin and in Kalgoorlie and  have experienced great capital growth and rental yields in all of them.

    I love the Mining Towns and cant get enough of them :-)

    I am looking to purchase my next property and am currently looking at Emerald.

    I see that you are a big fan of Emerald and have previousley lived in the town.  What are the better areas to be looking at buying.  

    I am planning on making several calls to agents in the area tomorrow.

    Thanx

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    Thanx for your replies guys.

    Im onto it :-)

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    Hi Luke/Wallalong

    I did know about the rice mill which is why it has my interest.

    You can buy an older style home in deni for around $120,000 that will rent for $200 a week.  Demand for rentals is strong and exceeding supply.  Isnt this a combination for good Capital Growth ?

    Good opportunity exists for renovations to add value or sub divide – most houses on large blocks.

    There is risk everywhere you buy I reckon unless you have a budget of $500,000 plus to buy in close to Capital Cities and you can afford to negative gear for years to come.

    Its hard to know where to put your hard earned bucks.  Deni just looked like a good bet to me.

    Am interested in any comment tho.

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    Thanx to all the above who have offered advice.

    The rent return is $1,200 a week.   The tenant is employed with a major mining company who had advised him that they would subsidise his rent then reneged on the deal after he had signed the lease (apparently).

    Yes, the selling Agent did set up the lease as part of the sale of contract.

    I have owned 2 other properties in this area for 4 years and have been more than happy with them and the management of them.  Never had any problems with renting them and have achieved significant capital growth over the 4 years.

    At the time of purchase this was the only property for rent which is why the rent negotiated was so high.  Houses in inferior condition to ours were getting snapped up by major companies for between $1,200 – $2,000 in the weeks after we purchased ours.

    But, as with the highs and lows of mining towns 2 weeks can change everything. 

    Now there are several properies for rent and no demand :-( 

    One thing that I have learnt is the value of getting everything in writting.

    Yeah, I know, I know  Mining Towns are risky.

    I am confident that we will get a tenant eventually.  Im just really annoyed with how it is all playing out.

    I thought I had protected myself by ensuring a lease was in place.  I even asked my agent for a copy of the agreement between the tenant and the company.  She explained that this couldnt be done and that I had nothing to worry about !! 

    famous last words !!

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    Hi

    Try this site.   Its free too :-)

    http://www.onthehouse.com.au/

    Deb

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    Thanx for that Rob,

    but the link is telling me that access is denied

    cheers

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    Hi Mel

    Regarding Blackwater, I read last week that Anna Bligh has given the nod for 300 blocks of land to be released in blackwater within the next 12 months.

    She has also done this for Moranbah in the Bowen Basin and Roma in the Surat.  This release of land is due to the impending demand on accomodation due to future mining projects.  She is trying to make accomodation more affordable in these towns.

    I dont see this land release as a good thing – maybe for tenants but not landlords.  Just means more supply for the demand which could keep the rents down.

    I have owned property in both moranbah and dysart which i purchased 2 and 3 years ago.  I have done VERY well out of both of these proerties both in terms of capital growth and rent returns.  I have since sold Dysart (panicked when the GFC hit) but kept Moranbah which is ticking away very nicley indeed.

    I have just had a major Company sign a 2 year lease at $750 a week with 6 montly rent reviews.  The same Company were reluctant to sign anything more than a 6 month lease 12 months ago and refused to pay an increase in the rent which at the time was a modest $550.00 a week. Gotta be a good sign for the area when they did not hesitate to sign a 2 year lease.

    Personally I would recommend Moranbah as a great place to invest as far as mining towns are concerned.  There are so many major projects on the drawing board there that the 300 blocks of land will make no difference to accomodation demand.

    Check out the ABARE report for more information on these major projects.

    I agree that the timing has to be right and getting a lease with a Major Company is a big bonus.

    This of course is just my personal opinion and as with purchasing an investment property personal due diligence is required.

    Happy investing :-)

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    Hi Kylie

    I like Orange because it has the 2 billion dollar Cadia mine expansion which is estimated to create 1300 constructrion jobs and 880 ongoing operation jobs,
     
    I like the diversity of the economy.  It has agriculture, education, tourism, manufacturing and great helath services.

    There is also a $260 million dam and pipeline network planned for the area. 

    It is affordable and the yields are looking ok as well :-)  I am finding properties with yields of 6.5% with depreciation on top.

    I usually buy in the mining towns which have been great investments but caused me more than one sleepless night.  I am now looking at more risk free options :-)

    I am located in Country Victoria and have never been to Orange but have heard that it is a really nice area to live.

    I am also going to check out Bathurst as a potential buying area.

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    Hi Kylie

    I am also checking out Orange as a potential investment area.

    Cadia mine is in the construction stages i understand and there is a shortage of rental accomodation.  There are extentions happening at the hospital as well.

    Terry Ryder mentions Orange as a great place to invest – refering to it as a rock solid regional investment.

    Serviced Apartments are popular with the workers from the mines and if you go this way you could end up with a decent return.  Pay $330,000 for a house and as long as it is fully self contained you can achieve around $600 – $650 a week rent.

    Problem here is that you pay over 11% commission to have it managed as well as weekly cleaning, garden maintenance, power and water.  This all adds up and eats into your profit big time.  

    Apparently there is no inbetween.  You either rent unfurnished or make it a serviced apartment.  From what I have been told, no agents will manage  a furnished property.

    I am planning on doing some more "due diligance"  tomorrow.

    Where are you located ?

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    Hi

    Terry Ryder from hotspotting.com.au as recomended Towoomba in his latest report as one of the top 5 boom towns along with Dalby and Chinchilla.

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    Hi again Lefty

    I am using Tess/Angela at Elders Real Estate.  I had each unit with a seperate agency with the incentive of whoever rented the 1st property they would secure management rights to both units.  Elders rented the first one.  Having said that – the potential tenant pulled out this morning due to her contract of sale on her PPR falling over :-(

    There is a new lady in town named Pam and she is starting up her own agency which she is calling Surat basin real estate.  She should be operational by the end of next week.  Her number is 07 4669 1790.

    I built in Gaske Lane which is on the edge of Bottletree estate.

    The tenant that was going to move in was an individual.  Not too many companys looking for accomodation at the moment.  Rentals are really quiet.  Hopefully the calm before the storm.

    The rental return was way below what i was told i would get.  I have them listed for $320.  The depreciation should make them neautraly geared tho.  I am only prepared to take 6 month leases due to the impending increase in demand expected in around 3 – 6 months.

    I too am having a good look at Miles and have an expression of interest  on a block of land there which i hope to build on.

    hope this helps

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    Surat Basin Homes have just completed a duplex pair for me in Chinchilla.  I found them to be very informative and helpful.  I am Victoria based but flew to chinchilla to check out their work.  My husband is in the building industry and he was very impressed with their standard of work.  we have been dealing with Steve Bradford from Surat Basin Homes for the past 5 months and have not have any problems at all.  everything has gone perfectly to plan. Handover for my units is tomorrow and we have a tenant moving in on Saturday – gotta be happy with that :-)

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    No Hire a Hubby up there.

    Karen – the gate is falling apart on one side and needs to be rebuilt.

    I am looking into getting a roller door fitted instead.    Gotta be cheaper than the quote I got and should add value to my house.

    Could be a win win if it comes together.

    If you do hear of anyone that can help I would appreciate your help.

    Thanx

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    Hi again jackie

    Could you use and agent from Chinchilla to manage your sheds ?  

    We have been looking closley at the area and have decided to invest in Chinchilla.  The agents i have spoken to there have been very helpful (as you would expect).

    Jess Wagner from National comes highly recommended by some locals.    

    Debbie

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    Hi Jackie

    I saw these in Real Estate.com but only in the land for sale area.

    Perhaps they could advertise in the property for sale area as well.

    there is also a realestate.com commercial propery for sale site as well.

    i would send you the link but am in a hurry to get to work :-)

    what is the occupancy rate of these sheds ?

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    Hi Simon

    Where exactly would you recommend buying in the Surat Basin?  – there are several areas to choose from.

    There certainly appears to be a few projects on the board in the area.

    cheers

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    Hi Karenday

    Thanx heaps for your input.  I am sure there are plenty out there needing some reassurance at this time.

    Are you able to tell me if the BMA Cavill Ridge is still a goer and what is happening with the fertilizer plant ??

    These are the 2 reasons i bought in Moranbah in the first place !!

    Also, I dont understand why your Real Estae friend has adivised you to hold off purchasing in Moranbah until there are less houses for sale.

    If you are confident that Moranbah is going to pick up again why wouldnt you purchase now while there are plenty for sale and more chance of negotiating a better deal ?

    Thanx again for your help and input

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    Hi stu_-macca

    I use raine and Horne in MacKay and have been happy with them.

    Vision are pretty good too I hear.  I have a friend that has 3 properties with them.  The advantage that they have is that they are living in Dysart.  They are also the agents that BMA go to for rentals.

    Your property is in Moranbah isnt it ?? 

    I make a point of speaking to the agents in Dysart often.

    I did get the rent increase in dysart that I wanted without too much trouble.  my original tenants moved out because they were not happy with the rent increase.

    I initally had a lease with a compnay for 2 years at $1000 a week which i was over the moon about.  the agent then included a rent review in the lease and they cracked em !!  wanted the lease changed to $950 for 12 months take it or leave it.  I was advised to take it !! 

    if you send me your email address i will forward you some more info if you are interested.

       
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    Dessyray

    I too would like to thank you for taking the time to contribute to this post.

    There are obviously a few concerned landlords out there, me included, and we really appreciate your inside information.

    I own property in both Dysart and Moranbah.  I currently have them both on the market.  

    I have just secured a new 12 month lease in dysart for $950 a week and have contacted my tenants in moranbah who are more than happy to re-new their lease at an increase of $200 a week in rent.

    I believe that if you look after your tenants and don't be too greedy where the rent is concerned you should be ok.

    who knows what the future will hold for the mining towns but I have decided to remove both of my properties from the market and to spend the rest of today shopping for my next purchase. 

    good luck

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    Hi intelligenttrad

    I was just reading a post that you wrote on dec 17th regarding Property Agents in Traralgon and who to avoid.

    Can you please forward on this info to me.

    I am presently looking at purchasing property in Traralgon myself and any info you could give me would be much appreciated.

    Thanx

    Debbie

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