Finally, settlement took place two days ago, I am officially a first-home owner. So far I have mixed experience. In term of inspection, property search and negotiation, I found the articles I read elsewhere are overly complicated. I did only inspection for 5 properties in one Saturday, and that's it, the first property I inspected, the one I finally bought. I did only one offer, agent wanted lil bit more, and my second offer was accepted (within my budget and estimation). Maybe because now it's buyers' market.
I am happy with the purchase, it's all worth it.
With the mortgage broker, not too bad, but not perfectly happy as well. Same with the solicitor. In the future, I should find better ones.
Final question, what sorta documents I should have or my solicitor should send it to me from the settlement? So far I got nothing.
Thanks guys for all the helps. Michael and Terry especially.
I don't think luck had anything to do with Nathan's success. The market has also been down while he has been buying. It must be knowledge and skill then!
Nathan Birch himself of course has equipped himself enough and made full dedication to this, knowing that he has made real fortune. But for ppl who work full-time with family who barely have time even to achieve life-balance, then expecting them to find a deal, do comprehensive research, travel to regional areas, it is lil bit unrealistic. I mean the example he gave there is lil bit optimistic and sounds too straightforward.
As often as you like- but generally i tell clients to wait 3 month –as prices won’t change for any time frame shorter then 3 month.
Some banks will only allow a Max of 2 equity release per year; after your 2nd one they will start to ask a LOT of questions and it does get harder.
Regards
Michael
So from what I understood yesterday from Terry’s explanation, just top up what we need for one IP, and top up again later in half or one year for another IP. Is it correct ?
Hi Oz-
Yes the bank treats equity like cash; but make sure they do NOT x-cross your loan unless you really need to; so
Hi Michael,
When usually you really need to cross collateralise your property? Is it the case when you paid off your PPOR mortgage, and need money to invest ?
Shape wrote:
Regarding rent; most lenders will only take in 80% …
I did a simple excel calculation yesterday and used the NAB Borrowing Power Calculator. If we don’t do any renovation or take risk to buy an undervalued property (what we think is undervalued), every one IP worth 320,000, with rental income $320 p/w (80% income taken into the account), will only add borrowing power by $ 130,000. Means that there will be limit on how many properties you can buy, if you don’t significantly add value or market boom happened again ( which is unlikely for the next 3-5 years). I just want to know there is any aspect that I missed.
I read Nathan Birch’s blog and the explanation how to own 20 – 30 properties on $50,000 income. But it seems, it will only work if the Lady Luck and Mr.Market are always with us (which I know that there is a way to become rich, but there is no easy, simple and straighforward way).
I’ts a good thing that the bank has placed your valuation price the same as your purchase price- it means that the valuation was either:
1. HIGHER then the purchase price- alwasy a good thing ( they alwasy take the lower of the 2)
2. The difference in valuation + – was less or more then 5%
I think I know the reason, it is because the dwelling is a townhouse with 20 sqm front yard and 36 sqm paved with fence backyard. Even though there are similar townhouses there, my property is located 150 metres from soccer field, playground, childcare and small marketplace (which honestly, my wife and I did not know before, because they are located in front of other townhouses in the complex). The potential is good.
I discussed with my wife yesterday, and revaluation of that property is a good way to invest more later. But it raises another question, how often actually we can get a property revalued for the purpose of releasing some equities?
When the time comes for a PPOR, i will transfer all offset account $$ into the PPOR no question ask- partner/wife can complain as much as she wants ( i guess im going to have to buy a MASSSSSIVE rock to silence her — if only a ring can be considered as an investment with the ATO –sigh.)
I guess if you buy 10 rocks 2-3 ct each, then ATO might consider that as an investment.
So the simple rule is still financial sense > peaceful sleep. It’s meaningless for me to split loans for my IPs, if I still have 400,000 balance on my PPOR.
Then I guess the structure will still be , IO + offset a/c for PPOR and IO only for IPs. And the offset a/c balance > the loan on PPOR, just pay it off. Then go to bank later to put the PPOR as a security to invest more.
I just realised though, with loan split for IPs like that, that means it is almost impossible to achieve positive CF, because you have to pay the principal as well on the half of the loan, means your repayment will be quite significant. So when you actually look for a property for an IP, you have to disregard the principal component for the calculation. Otherwise it is impossible to find positive CF properties. One more thing, your plan works if you don’t have any loan on your PPOR, but if you still have a chunky balance on your PPOR, I guess, better not to split the IPs and repay the PPOR first. Is it correct?
Haha, I think I need to meet you Mike, when it is about the time for me to create more wealth. That sounds a good idea, that means you can have more IPs whilst also you clearly know you are getting more equities in your properties.
I don’t 100% understand, but I got the idea. That split, must be 50:50 ?
Michael, you know that my bank valued my property exactly same as the purchase price. If there is no major thing happened to the property or to the market as a whole, if I get it revalued, will Bank be fair to me? I mean, if there are two or three properties similar like mine, sold/selling for $625,000 three years from now, then Bank will revalue it quite close to that right ? My assumption is because I know that my PPOR will be worth what similar properties in my area worth.
Thanks Terry,
I think I will only top up as much as I need for the deposit for the IP.
But get the new top up as a separate loan, and don't have the money from the top up placed into the offset as the interest won't be fully deductible.
What you were saying is if I buy IPs and make it IO, don’t use an offset account attached to it ?
If say it I get it topped up, and free up 30k and use it as the 10 percent of the IP, as a separate loan, will the interest on it also fully deductible?
But I still have a question, is the IO structure and offset account still good if I get the property revalued, top up the loan, and free up some equities to buy IP somewhere else ? That means I will have another loan (90% LVR probably), original loan will be getting bigger and untouched balance in the offset account (in case the freed equities enough to cover the the 10% of second loan).
Now I am waiting for the settlement. The tenant has indicated to be able to move out on 13th, and settlement can take place on 15th. That means 4 days later than original expected settlement date, which I am fine.
For the time being, I am thinking about what will happen in the next 2-3 years. My loan structure is Interest Only for 5 years. I understand that the purpose is flexibility in case I want to change the dwelling to become IP and tax benefit of it. But I don’t think we will rent out that place. The reasons are below:
1. The property as an IP ,won’t be a positive cash flow property by its own. The vacancy rate will be definitely low, as it is located 300 metres from a well-known university. But the rental rate won’t match the the interest on the loan. Unless I use my offset account to reduce the interest charge. Mr.Excel told me that it will be -600 to -800 p/month. But one think I’m pretty sure, the capital growth will be above average.
2. I personally like the property, and when I bought it, I was doing calculation and consideration as a PPOR. That means, I don’t care about rental yield, undervalued property, etc. But I know clearly it is not overvalued and it is not a lemon.
Based on those reasons, I think if I want to create wealth in the foreseeable future, I need to buy IPs somewhere else and that means (what I know), getting my PPOR revalued and top up the loan, with little help from my saving, I should be able to buy more. My wife and I are not ambitious or obsessed of having 100 properties. We think about 3-5 manageable, safe (capital growth and vacancy rate), and low to medium risk properties (including PPOR). Which means one or two negative CF properties will be fine as long as it meets those conditions mentioned above.
My wife personally is not comfortable (like most of people out there) at seeing our offset account getting bigger and bigger, and it is a transaction account, which she is worried about the safety. We were arguing about this, and she might want to repay the balance of the loan in case no investment plan in 3 years. We have done our calculation since beginning, if we make extra repayments, the whole loan balance will be repaid in 6-7 years (if nothing major, unexpected and unpleasant happened of course).
My question is, is the structure still good for this plan? (i.e. free up some equities and use it for the IP purchases). Any pros and cons will be great.
The selling agent actually is helping me now, he keeps me updated with the tenant. I actually quite believe that the tenant will be able to find a place before 11/08. Only my solicitor’s response drove me mad, when he said we couldn’t do anything other than do not settle if the tenant is still there, which is quite possible.
I understand now what I can do, which is waiting.
Thanks for your opinion and advice, Michael and Terry.
I don’t quite understand with this contract works. It is said, the settlement takes place 42 days after exchanging the contract. So it is binding or not ?
Vendor needs to give 30 days notice to tenant, it is binding or not ?
I am actually really frustrated with my current place I am living. One bedroom for one couple to live (12 sqm). And another bedroom for all of our things. We eat, we watch TV, we study are all in a 12sqm bedroom. It is really really frustrating. Before I got married, it was perfectly fine, but now, a couple’s life boxed in a 12sqm bedroom, you know how frustrating it is.
I believe the notice has been given to tenant on 13 July when the cooling off period lapsed. I am pretty sure about that, I think I need to check with the solicitor whether he has the copy of the notice or not. 30 days from 13 July will be 12 August, which I am fine.
So theoretically, the tenant can only refuse to leave anytime before 12 August? After that, they don’t really have any legal right ?
The other side would agree 90% of the time…but if you move in early;
1. the “pro-rated” rent and council rate etc needs to be re calculated and re-done
2. Can’t force tenant out
So not sure if it’s worth the hassle JUST to bring settlement 7 days forward.
In case, after 11/08, tenant won’t move out, what can I do, mate? My solicitor’s response disappointed me, he said, we just don’t settle.
I don’t sign any contract with the tenant and that property is legally mine, if settlement took place, that means if he insists to live there, I assume, it works like someone lives in your house without your approval. So I guess as a reasonable person, should I call police?
My solicitor mentioned before if the tenant couldn’t find a place or does not want to move at 11/08, then we won’t settle… I don’t understand why it becomes the purchaser’s problem. Therefore I am seeking opinion and advice here, I want to know what is my legal right and how to enforce my legal right.