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    Hi 

    I had a chat with my mortgage broker, and I think you are correct, hence we changed our strategy. At this moment, we will be looking for something around $500K, the holding costs will still be significant, however with proper research and planning, it should make business sense. 

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    Hi Ben

    $750K is spending on IP. There are two in mind, first one is a house, with 700m2 land but I don't think I can subdivide it, great location and renovated already. The second one is actually $800K, with 1100m2 of land, and great potential of subdivision, as ample land in the front of the current residence, and it is about 450m2. I should have no problem with street access. 

    My current PPOR is only valued at $625K, with $375K loan in it.

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    Ferdinand

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    Hi guys

    We checked few properties, and there's one in particular stood out, it is $750K. If we want the finance to be organised ASAP, when is the earliest it will be ready? 

    At $750K, that we will rent it out, and the deposit comes from the current PPOR loan set up as a separate loan, how is our borrowing power?

    I will try to talk to a mortgage broker tomorrow,, a Sydney based perhaps.

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    Hi Richard

    Thanks for your advice. Not to overcomplicate matter, we plan to buy another PPOR in 5 years time (consideration is that when we have a primary school kid). Current PPOR will become an IP, same with new IP. My question is this will change any of your advice.

    We are bit worried whether we can get loan for future PPOR, because we are looking for 3 bedders house, around $1M. If we don't repay both current PPOR and this IP, assuming we will have $300K of cash in the offset, that we can put as deposit for new PPOR. Is that a viable plan? If both, current PPOR and new IP will still have debt around $475K and $500K, but they will become IPs, what is the net effect on my borrowing power?

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    Hi Richard

    That is a good advice indeed. Why you did not recommend using cash? One of the reasons that we want to buy an IP is because we don't want our money lying around in term deposit or even offset (my wife does not like offset, I know it is not smart).

    When applying for a new loan, will they calculate projected rent income as a consideration into the amount I can borrow? 

    I will discuss further with my wife, and tomorrow will be a fresh new day. Good night Richard and thanks,

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    Thanks both

    I have saving up to 10% of the IP price, I have atm is $50K and I can get up to $75K if I have to. Some properties in my mind are typically units and 2 bedders, with price around $500K. Hence, say it, I have deposit for 10%-15%.

    Current PPOR is valued at $625K easily, and loan $375K – hence equity: $250K.

    It will be joint application, I checked some borrowing power calc, and I can borrow up to $1.1m before the income of the IP taken into consideration. The only issue probably is that my wife is new to her job, 4 months, but a full time job. She has been always employed for the past 3 years, can be proved from her tax return. I am 4 years in my job. 

    Joint income: $140K per year before tax. No dependant.

    Please advise further.

    Hi Jamie, my PPOR is currently on fixed term, 1 year to go, from 2 years fixed term. I don't think I can inject my saving and redraw,.

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    Sorry I have another question, what is the pro and cons having 5% deposit and pay LMi as compared to having 20% deposit and not paying LMI?

    For an IP, which one is more beneficial? 

    Another question is, if my PPOR loan is currently on 2 year fixed and now 10 months to go, if I want to take some money out of it to fund more deposit (if  second choice I asked prior to this), what is the option in order not to be considered as breaking the term? I am with Homeside.

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    I have a question, after split, do you technically have 2 separate loans, and have to maintain them separately e.g. fees, payments, etc.

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    Hi Paullie

    I just fixed mine for 1 year, for 5.99% with Homeside. Feel free to join. I am not sure about 2-3 years, but I have done my calculation, the chance is very slim for my current variable rate (6.55%) to beat the fixed rate. From the gesture made by ANZ to lower fixed and raise variable, it seems that they hope people will fix their rate, they are willing to sacrifice profit margin for market share, and they care less to achieve that with variable rate, because there is no exit fees anyway.

    Ferdinand.

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    Thanks Terry, but I am quite reluctant to change lender, first is because of the hassles, second is because the costs associated with ditching and changing lender, and third because if the number doesn’t turn out to be significant, I want to stay with NAB, have been with them almost all my time in Australia and I’m pretty happy with them.

    But maybe worthwhile to wait for fixing the rates till next RBA meeting.

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    Thanks Terry, I completely understand that consequence.

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    Thanks Terry

    I am considering to fix the rates only for a year. Of course, it is everyone’s common sense to think that RBA will drop interest rates. But the question are: how quick? when? will the bank pass it in full (if RBA cut too often)?

    Well it is just my thought. As what I mentioned before, I learned two things from last RBA cut. First, it is not an easy decision for RBA to cut interest rates , and second, my bank (NAB) did not pass the cut in full just because they want to protect margin and get $62 million profit (5 basis point difference).

    Thanks anyway. I hope apart from the rates, there is no technical flaw with my idea.

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    Hi Amy,

    I believe there should be a paperwork in regard to the calculation, you should ask your accountant. FYI, to calculate a refund, it needs few things to determine:
    1. Assessable Income which includes the share of property losses, capital gain and employment salary. AI
    2. Total Allowable Deduction ( most of them work related, and as well the cost to prepare your tax return). AD
    3. Your family situation such as rebates and tax offsets e.g. spouses tax rebate (the fact that you are not working, means he might be eligible for spouses tax rebates unless your family received Family Tax Benefit part B), education tax refund, medical expenses tax offset, private health insurance tax offset etc. TO
    4. Your liability for medicare levy surcharge if your combined income with your spouse is more than $140 smth thousand and you don’t have private health insurance. Because it will incur extra 1% on top of your medicare levy, which brings the levy to 2.5%. MED

    The formulas are:
    Taxable Income = AI – AD
    Tax Liability = (Tax Rate+MED) x Taxable Income
    Final Tax Assessment = Tax Liability- Tax Withheld – TO
    If FTA is less than 0 = REFUND

    that’s simplified anyway.

    Hence, as what Terry said, it is insufficient to estimate the portion of tax refund from the rental property losses itself. By merely grossing up the losses by the effective tax rate, won’t give you the exact figure, estimate perhaps.

    My experience, you can ask for the copy of the complete assessment plus the paperwork from your accountant. From there, you might get an idea. But apportioning the refund due to the rental losses won’t be easy.

    Regards

    Ferdinand

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    Terryw wrote:
    What about staying as is and just paying  extra off each week via direct salary deposit?

    Hi Terry

    Many thanks for your reply. I still couldn’t understand, if it doesn’t cost me even one dollar, I can go back to SVR – 0.70% + Offset A/C in a year time, I will repay the principal (which is same thing as your suggestion), why 0.66% less interest which translates to $230 less interest expense every month is not a good thing? Forgive me if I’m little bit naive or I don’t know what everyone in this forum knows.

    Ferdinand

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    Shape wrote:
    No- Stay with Variable and ill explain why Ferdinand.

    1. Fixed rate does not offer the offset account- so your offset account will become void once you go fix.
    2. Your expecting a massive bonus- in which you can NOT place into the mortgage/offset if i turned into a fix product. – if anything go half half….planning ahead is important.
    3. You don;’t have a lot of savings…not sure what sort of “financial” backing you have…but should you lose your job do you have anything to back up your mortgage for 2-6 month? will you be force to sell? Of course a good insurance product can provide some sort of protection; something i encourage.

    Hi Michael

    As I mentioned before, I would like to start to repay the principal, hence Offset A/C won’t be as good as if I don’t repay principal.

    I just checked with Homeside, he confirmed four things.
    1. No costs whatsoever for fixing the rate
    2. The process takes 4 days and only involves me and my wife calling them
    3. My loan structure will return to SVR – 0.70% with Offset A/C reactivated after the end of the fixed period
    4. Max Repayment on principal every year is up to $20,000

    I told you before that I am anticipating monies next year, around same time this year. Hence, I will fix the rate for 1 year for 6.14%. And after the fixed period lapsed, I will pay that lump sum to principal, then review the fixed rate again and might fix it again. Every year $20,000 is about right.

    Does it sound like a solid plan? Let me know the flaws, if there’s any.

    Thanks Michael for always being such a help.

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    Qlds007 wrote:
    Should not the Broker who recommend the loan to you not be giving you this sort of advice this is what he is getting paid for.

    Sorry to sound calous but these Michael, Jamie, Terry etc offer their valuable advice for free and yet it is your current Broker who is receiving remuneration.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    I am sorry Richard to sound taking advantage from all of you guys. But is that not the purpose of this forum to share knowledge and to provide view and opinion? I might not be Michael’s client at the moment, but in the future, who knows? Be honest I am quite disappointed with my current broker, and he only gives one advice which everyone gives here, IO + Offset A/C without offering any alternative. I understand that it might be the best option for you guys, investment-minded people, but not everyone is same.

    I received exactly same question from my best friend in Brisbane, and he is also confused about this IO+Offset A/C, because it is rather an unconventional idea not to repay the principal.

    Well, I can’t thank enough to you, Michael for always being available to offer advices here and his generosity or Terry with his straightforward advice during the process of getting my property from the beginning, even until now. But if it is sounding like taking an advantage, then I politely request not to answer my questions.

    I am an Accountant in financial services industry but I am still on the way to get my full qualification done and my knowledge sharpened, and I would be happy to share my knowledge in my area of expertise either in taxation and or financial services in the future when I am confident enough with my knowledge for free in this kind of forum.

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    IMO, In regard to Fixing is NEVER about beating the market, it might be the correct when the fixed rate is in Contango (Fixed>Variable), but when it is in Backwardation (Fixed is lower than Variable), I would think, by understanding the yield curve, beating the market is achievable, in my opinion.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates-bonds/government-bonds/australia/
    please check link above.

    If we see in the graph, 3y-int rate should be the lowest, and at the end of year 2, there will be sharp drop in interest rate, at least .20%, that means the difference between 5.99% and 6.14% will be inferior to the natural movement of variable rate.

    I am still thinking about other factors you mentioned above. I have an income protection insurance of $2,400 per month, enough to cover the interest + principal a bit, at the event of something bad happened to me, but doesn’t cover a mere ‘losing job’. As I mentioned before, my wife and I agreed to repay the principal every time we accumulated $20,000 in our offset account, I guess the offset account will not function well anyway.

    I give myself this one weekend to think more thoroughly, I guess it is a quite big decision to make.

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    Guys,

    I am back… with same old problem :) hahaha.. four months have passed now, and I am enjoying a lot the house, slightly further than where I lived before, but transports are great, so not really a big deal.

    My experience is very difficult to maintain motivation with offset account, especially when Christmas is coming. I previously forecasted $4,500 extra repayment made on the top of interest, if I use normal P+I loan. But with the I only + Offset A/C, I only manage to save $2,300 which is only 50% of the target.

    The current 2 year fixed rate is 6.14% (Homeside) is tempting me again. Currently I am paying SVR 6.80%. My observation from last interest rate cut where it was a very difficult decision made by RBA and NAB only passed 0.2%, it takes 3 x 0.25% interest rate cut to be equal with the 6.14% offered on 2 year-fixed rate.

    And the game changer is that I have agreed with my wife to pay off the principal everytime we accumulated $20,000 in offset A/C, that means offset A/C will not be useful at all. We think that we prefer to take benefit $230 interest expense straightaway and hit the loan hardly. I am anticipating to receive $40,000 lump-sum mid next year.

    I know that IO + Offset A/C is good for discipline people with investment oriented mind. But it seems that is not the case with me and my wife. My wife is quite reluctant to invest in property, I mean we want to have 2-3 investment properties, but not 10-15. We also prefer to buy a business if we have extra money in the future.

    So, back to my question, with my expectation, goal and past experience ( at least 4 months), is 2-year fixed rate 6.14%, RIGHT FOR ME?

    Additional information: I’m on 80% LVR and $420,000 total mortgage

    Thanks

    Ferdinand

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    Based on the comparison rate, my current variable is lower than the one of fixed rate. Does that mean in term of real cost, my current one is already cheaper than the fixed one ?

    Change the bank, unlikely… sell the house, very unlikely, but only God knows.

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    Unlikely up, but could be flat, has been for a while

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