Just a point in relation to cross colleralisation and record keeping. ONly have two so far, but after several discussions with accountant, decided to set up separate loan accounts (splits) for each property. easier for working out returns and expenses. Adds slightly to costs but worth it if want to keep accurate records for each property. BAsic accounting software will handle separate accounts.
[If you purchase a property in joint names, then the bank views the debt as jointly and severally liable. What this means is that if you borrow $200K then the banks treats it as both of you have borrowed $200K each totalling $400K which will severely impact your future borrowing capacity.
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Johnd
Don’t think this is right. My understanding is that you are both liable for the loan, but the amount of debt is $200k, not added together when you go for the next one. If you go for a joint I/P next time, the servicing required is based on the actual laon amount. If you go for an I/P purchased with borrowings in one name, then yes, the servicing calculators will take the total loan repayments as your individual commitment. BUt the rental income is credited to your name only also, so you will get some back anyway.
You really need to look at the overall strategy and structure which your broker and accountant should help you set up.
Seems to me like your broker has not stared off the right waay form the beginning – what do you want? what are your plans? how can we help you achieve them?
I agree with Terry and Michael above re cross collaterailsation(i don’t tthionk I got that right)
I had a long discussion with a senior bank oficer about six months ago and I think this would be representative – they WANT to cross collateralise because if there is a problem the first property they go for is the PPOR, they don’t have to wory about tenents rights, notifications etc etc. If you own it and have offered your home as security they can get you out real quick. We try very hard and will reduce loan amounts, if necessary and in keeping with longer term goals, not to cross coll…
With a little bit of work and the right structuring of the loans, it should be possible to keep each property separate in most cases.
Interested to hear any other experience.
[]Can only strongly support Stuart’s comments about getting pre-approval. As I mortgage broker, I detest telling potential clients that the property they have their heart set on can’t be financed because of x y &/or z. We had a client who spent a lot of money on property inspections etc even after I had told him getting finance would be very difficult because of the property location and LVR required. He insisted we try, so we were both out of pocket.
With preapproval, he would have known what he could have purchased, and be certain that he finance the deal if everything else was ok.
With preapproval, it gives us the opportunity to really assess our clients needs and circumstances and get the best possible arrangement for them.
Gatby
Try http://www.yourmortgage.com.au/calculators/
there is lots of juck but some good starting points and ideas. For quick estimates I allow 5% also, but then refine it down when we are doing the calculations. If you regularly use a conveyancing solicitor, you should be able to call them and they can do the legals and stamp duty figures very quickly.
Guys, I think it is a great idea designed to make the banks more money. If I own the house and decide to do extensions or renovations, or otherwise add value apart from the natural capital growth, will the bank contribute their share of the costs, including an allowance for my labour[?][?] I think not[]. Suffuce to say, it sounds good, too good[][]
My dad has two loans, one for the house he is currently living in, and another for an investment property. … Is it possible to transfer the balance of the loan for the house he is living in, over to the investment property loan, and thus negative gear all the interest for that single larger loan?
MalPatti
Check with your accountant about this, but I am sure that it is not possible to transfer non deductible debt and make it deductible without incurring the wrath of the tax office.
If your dad wants to release the mortgage over his home, you can transfer debt to the IP as security, set up split loans for accounting purposes and then you can clearly identify the interest and charges relating to the deductible debt and keep Mr Costello happy.
If you have enough equity, you can also get another split to do more investing.
If you want more detailed info, send me an email to [email protected]
Michael
there are two general LMI companies plus several owned by and servicing only the bank which owns it.
GEMIS and PMI – they have similar policies but do differ in some significant respects, particularly their upper limits on loan amounts, which should not affect most wrap proposals. BUt if you keep under the 80% limit you won’t be paying LMI anyway.
As I don’t know your accounts this is just speculation, I think maybe you have the wrong accountant. We had an account up until last Sunday when we decided on our way home from the semiinar that he just didn’t fit out plan. So on Tuesday we found a new one, he has actually written a very good book about trusts which I have to say if mind blowing when you learn of the little tricks (thats really funny that I wrote that because his book is called trust magic) you can use.
Be sure you have the right players on your team that aren’t putting hurdles in your way.
Good Luck
Cheers
Leigh K[]
Read, learn, grow but most of all just do it.
Leigh what is the title of the book and is it available through bookshops? thanks
We set up family trust on the advice of our accountant sfter a long discussion about where we were going and what we had in mind. He had no hesitation in strongly recommending that structure, even though at this stage we really had nothiong to put into it, but with plans to do stuff quickly it was better to have it set up so we could use it than have to undo it all and pay a whole lot of fees and taxes for nothing.
To steve and anybody who felt as frustrated and p***ed off as I did after the game at not being able settle on a purchase.
That was the Ha Ha for my weekend[]
When I got back to my motel room that night I went over the whole game and in fact the weekend. I basically worked out exactly what Steve points out at the top. This can be very frustrating, and we did not start out with a strategy. In fact we did not start out with a plan at all. – Lesson 1
Lesson 2, it will be frustrating and time consuming and require the investment of a lot of energy to be successful, but to achieve, you must start!
Lesson 3, find those who can help and if necessary pay for it. It will be a small price to pay and a necessary step to success
Lesson 4, thyere are a lot more lessons to learn!!
Thanks Steve and crew.
[]Hi all
Just returned to the office today with my head still spinning from the unbelievable weekend with such a powerful group of people. I got about three hours sleep over the weekend and probably wont go to bed tonight – so much to do to get the action plan started. First step – completely rewrite our goals because I previously doubted that it really could be done, but after meeting so many of you it realised that it could be – if I take action!
Met quite a few from qld – heard mentioned that some got together occasionally to swap tales!
CAn someone let me know if I got it right and where and when?[]
Congrats to you guys starting to get your thinking caps on. The FHOG is only available if you occupy the home as your principal place of residence within twelve months!!. So why not buy one as your home and the other as the investment.
the FHOG could cover a lot of your costs. Some lenders will even give you 100% with some saving history for an owner occupier, but be very careful and do the numbers.
Hilary – my understanding is that the FHOG is only avaliable on a property if its your principal place of residence – it can’t be used for an invetment property…