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Active Investor & Broker; Based in Northern NSW, servicing Australia wide; Author of '34 Proven Ways to Maximise Your Borrowing Power' (download free from our website)
Selling the property now is terrible advice.
You will just end up paying entry and exit costs twice.
Did anyone give him such an advice? I know it’s wasn’t me 😂😂
If you were indeed referring to my comment, then yes, examining all options is prudent IMHO and selling a lemon (for example) may be a best way forward in some cases, if can’t turn it into lemonade of course 😉
Active Investor & Broker; Based in Northern NSW, servicing Australia wide; Author of '34 Proven Ways to Maximise Your Borrowing Power' (download free from our website)
You are right Ethan I shouldn’t be disgruntled over not having enough of a deposit in the first place. In hindsight I should have A) Saved more for a deposit or B) Adjusted my budget prior to purchasing.
LMI is not necessarily a bad move! Let’s say LMI is 3% and you have only 5%. If you save 5% p/a it will take you 3 more years to get to 20% (this is taking into account that in addition you have the circa 5% purchasing costs).
So, in our example only if the market didn’t move up more than 3% in 3 years (…), only then it would have been a smart move to wait until our borrower has the magical 20%.
In a funny coincidence, I scheduled a post on our website talking exactly about that. It will be published Wednesday week and it was promoted from an expert advice I read in some magazine telling the borrower to wait for a few more years until she has 20% because “it’s important to avoid LMI” 😱😱😱
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Good afternoon all,
Thank you for taking your time to read this post.
A bit of background before I begin. I am 22 years old I have a partner and as the title states I own a Negatively Geared property. It is on an Interest only loan. The house was built 2 years ago and has not yet built equity. Foolishly my down payment was 5% and I was whacked with LMI upon purchase and now the realization of paying off nothing but the interest on the loan is bugging me to say the least. After reading Steve’s book I am kicking myself that I did not wait until I had a little more knowledge under my belt.
My goal is:Acquire a positively geared property portfolio and create enough wealth to retire comfortably with my partner by the age of 50.
The question I have is, what is the best way to deal with this property?
My current plan is to place every spare cent I have into my offset account until I can pay P&I on the loan and have the property still be positively geared. Then to save up a 20% down payment prior to purchasing the next property and continue to do so.The property is also in my name, long term would it be worth looking at creating a trust?
Thank you.
Hey mate,
Well done for starting so early and thinking so ahead! 👍😎
If 5% was all you had to put into the house, why are you kicking yourself over LMI (which is 2-3% of the purchase price)?
Ideally one would buy a property that has manufactured growth potential instead of the good old ‘buy and hope’ but guess that’s not the case with this one?
What is the shortfall from paying the IO?
When we are talking about CF+, we mean that the income is greater than 100% of the purchase price (as IO loan) because any funds that are placed as a deposit are actually taken from an offset of a different property 😉
What’s the plan with this property? Maybe best to sell it and redeploy the funds elsewhere?
Yes, learning (all the time) is important. It never ends. Experience is one of the greatest ways to learn. No point kicking yourself if you ask me 😊
Trusts have pros and cons. Not sure a trust would be the best way forward?
Active Investor & Broker; Based in Northern NSW, servicing Australia wide; Author of '34 Proven Ways to Maximise Your Borrowing Power' (download free from our website)
We were told “market value” or potential sale price by our Local REA should be $520-$550k.
No offence to the RE agent but I wouldn’t count on their estimation of market value more than the valuer’s. RE agents many times state the ‘hope’ price which the market may or may not accept. In short, RE appraisal can be worthless. Lenders rely only on the valuation the valuer does. Even if you guys manage to sell it for $520k, the new valuer might say it’s worth only $460k so the buyer’s lender won’t give the buyer the mortgage amount s/he will be after either.
I personally wouldn’t buy for $520 something the bank says is worth $460, which is what you are considering to do? (Delay payment of additional $30k)
A lot of land = low CG. 2% p/a makes sense to me based on what you said and I don’t see the value jumping much in the next few years. Do you? 460 to even only 504 is 10%. That could take years…
I much prefer a property that I can manufacture its growth (reno, subdivide etc). It’s a much quicker way to build wealth IMHO than the good old buy and hope.
Going back to the RE appraisal:
would you be happy to sell for $550? If so, why not put it on the market? Either it will prove to all parties that the RE appraisal isn’t worth the paper it was written on (poor trees…) or everyone will be happy and full of joy by selling at 550 or $500+ And use their funds elsewhere where they can return a higher yield.
Bottom line: there are a few options but nobody knows which option will pan out to be the best. The choice is up to you guys.
Will be very happy to hear how this matter progressed and resolved.
Active Investor & Broker; Based in Northern NSW, servicing Australia wide; Author of '34 Proven Ways to Maximise Your Borrowing Power' (download free from our website)
1. Do I understand correctly that because one party wants to sell, you want to buy all other parties out?
2. How many parties are there?
3. Can you service the loan all by yourself?
4. If you had to buy a property for the same price (minus the purchasing costs, say), would you buy this one or another one?
5. Do all the other parties want to sell?
Happy to continue the conversation once the above is more clear in my head 👍😎
Active Investor & Broker; Based in Northern NSW, servicing Australia wide; Author of '34 Proven Ways to Maximise Your Borrowing Power' (download free from our website)
Active Investor & Broker; Based in Northern NSW, servicing Australia wide; Author of '34 Proven Ways to Maximise Your Borrowing Power' (download free from our website)
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I don’t recall the name of the broker that is from Perth but recall a broker saying s/he’s from there. Guess s/he will come online sooner or later 😎
Edit: found him. It’s Colin Rice. Mentioned in post.
This reply was modified 8 years ago by Ethan Timor.
This reply was modified 8 years ago by Ethan Timor.
Active Investor & Broker; Based in Northern NSW, servicing Australia wide; Author of '34 Proven Ways to Maximise Your Borrowing Power' (download free from our website)
Hi All,
I have got 2 properties currently cross collateralised into one loan. I have had this loan for 3 years and a significant amount of debt has been paid off leaving me with about $100k of equity. Moving forward I am looking to do a few property trades with some capital i have saved up to help reduce my remaining debt to zero. My question lies in the following. I want to maximise my finance position to ensure that i can proceed with the property trades (reno’s and subdivisions). The two options are as follows:1. Leave the two properties cross collatoralised and borrow against the equity built up, use my cash reserves ($30k) to fund the property trade2. Pay $17k into the loan (leaving $13k cash reserves), unembcumber 1 property security leaving the remaining debt on only one property at 80% LVR. Now use the unencumbered property as a single security to draw down equity for a loan to complete the property trades, or3. Anything else that you bright people can think of beyond my knowledge
All help is greatly appreciated. Though i like the idea of owning my first investment property outright it will defeat the purpose of unencumbering if i cannot maximise finance to move forward.
Generally speaking, I prefer my loans as ‘stand alone’ for maximum flexibility. That said, some lenders provide better terms if you cross with them so in your case, I would probably sit with a great broker and run the numbers in various scenarios. Then you should be able to make an informed decision 👍😎
Active Investor & Broker; Based in Northern NSW, servicing Australia wide; Author of '34 Proven Ways to Maximise Your Borrowing Power' (download free from our website)
Active Investor & Broker; Based in Northern NSW, servicing Australia wide; Author of '34 Proven Ways to Maximise Your Borrowing Power' (download free from our website)
Hi Ethan,
Sorry, I didn’t quite understand this strategy. Can you please elaborate?
Thanks,Sam
Hey mate, my comment wasn’t so much a strategy but more of a warning. If the contract you have with the developer says that you need their approval to on sell, then the developer may not agree, especially if they know that you are not in a position to settle and that the market value at that time is higher than the agreed price.
I guess my bottom line is this: if you plan to on sell, I suggest you make sure you can do it (written in the contract) without relying on the developer to agree to do it.
Active Investor & Broker; Based in Northern NSW, servicing Australia wide; Author of '34 Proven Ways to Maximise Your Borrowing Power' (download free from our website)
Hi,
Many contracts will have a hardship clause(or similar) where you can get your conveyancer to request approval from the developer to onsell.(I am sure no developer would ever say no as they want the land to settle.
That is a very good point. Personally, I wouldn’t rely on the developer’s approval. If s/he knows that the value is now $240k and there’s a strong demand, why would s/he extend an option to buy at $180k? The smartest move (financially speaking) would be to pocket the deposit from buyer #1, let the option expire and sell at a higher price to buyer #2.
Active Investor & Broker; Based in Northern NSW, servicing Australia wide; Author of '34 Proven Ways to Maximise Your Borrowing Power' (download free from our website)
Hello all,
I am looking at a property close to CBD in Adelaide and there is an house 300 m away on the same street rented to housing commission. Will this affect the value or turn away tenants? Does it make it a wrong investment?
Thank You in advance.
regardsSanthosh
I could be wrong of course but if it bothers you, it could bother other prospects (tenants and buyers down the line). I know it would bother me enough to investigate more in depth. It’s not necessarily a wrong investment (especially if it’s reflected in the price) and as Corey mentioned they are being sold off by the government so that could also work to your advantage in the future 😉
Sorry can’t help with a clear yes or no answer but hopefully the above helped anyway? 👍😎
Active Investor & Broker; Based in Northern NSW, servicing Australia wide; Author of '34 Proven Ways to Maximise Your Borrowing Power' (download free from our website)
Active Investor & Broker; Based in Northern NSW, servicing Australia wide; Author of '34 Proven Ways to Maximise Your Borrowing Power' (download free from our website)
Active Investor & Broker; Based in Northern NSW, servicing Australia wide; Author of '34 Proven Ways to Maximise Your Borrowing Power' (download free from our website)
Maybe someone here knows (I don’t) but if nobody answers by Monday morning, I would call the regulating body in your state and ask them, they will know 👍😎
Active Investor & Broker; Based in Northern NSW, servicing Australia wide; Author of '34 Proven Ways to Maximise Your Borrowing Power' (download free from our website)
Nobody knows really. Why waste time on loose theories about an unknown future (and if there is one thing we know about Trump is that he’s unpredictable) 😉
Active Investor & Broker; Based in Northern NSW, servicing Australia wide; Author of '34 Proven Ways to Maximise Your Borrowing Power' (download free from our website)
Generally speaking, I would personally definitely go with some variation of option #1.
One of the main advantages of property is the leverage. If you own only one property (and PPOR is even worse in that sense), it doesn’t really help you if the value doubled over 10 years because all the houses doubled (more or less) so in that sense, you are not really better off. But if you have 5 houses that doubled, well… That’s a very different story 👍😎
Waiting 10 years is a very very long time. The houses you’re talking about may be double by that time, so sooner is generally better than later IMHO.
The main thing I would change in option 1 is the outright buying bit. There are advantages of being more flexible with your funds (I.e have them sitting in redraw or offset account) vs having them 100% locked-in in a house. Although maybe you had that idea because of borrowing power issues? Would definitely check that bit (your borrowing power) before doing anything else 👍😎
Active Investor & Broker; Based in Northern NSW, servicing Australia wide; Author of '34 Proven Ways to Maximise Your Borrowing Power' (download free from our website)
Just wanting some advice regarding selling it.Should I try and sell it currently tenanted? or wait till the lease is up do some touch ups and then put in on the market? my worry is how long it would potentially sit on the market & therefore not be bringing in any rent.
Cheers,
I can’t comment on the local market over there but generally speaking I would prefer to vacate the tenant, do a Reno and thus increase the sale price. If the property won’t sell relatively quickly, then I would consider putting a tenant in on a month to month basis.
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