Thanks Richard, I'll ask him. I just thought I'd do that in due time i.e. let's get the first deal done first (he's currently looking for the right loan for that).
So what if I founded a company for "wrapping business" that acts as a trustee in which the wraps are kept. Would the lenders look upon this constellation "more favorably"?
Hm, sounds a bit complicated. I wonder what's the reason for this. So I take it, if the wrapee decides to cash me out before the 12 months and 10% of his contract price has been paid, the FHOG will not be payable, yes? Does that mean that if he decides to get out early he should be able to put in the 7k himself? Should I put a clause in the contract that disallows the wrapee to get out in the first 12 months?
Cool, thanks Richard. Would I impose if I asked you to have a look at the new threads about wraps which I posted this morning in the "Creative Investing" section?
Ah, I seem to be getting it. I still do not understand why some lenders insist on ABN though. I mean it's just a number, you can just get it and not do anything with it for years right?
And another one: do I NEED an ABN if I just "live off wraps"?
I'm currently looking at the possibility to get a personal loan to cover the deposit. I'm currently in the process of creating wrap scenarios which I'll discuss with my mortgage broker. I'll then see what finance options I have available. By the end of next week I'll have applied hopefully.
In any case, that 2nd mortgage thing, as you say, is going to be hard to explain to any vendor.
Could you tell me more about that developer you know? Is he in QLD? How exactly do the deals work that he offers?
So the vendor can take out a second mortgage on a title that is not on his name but on mine? How does that work? How much more interest do they pay for that? What is usual in these cases, do I just cover the vendor's second mortgage payments? How do they make sure that I pay regularly?
Hey Kelly, Thanks for the confirmation. Have you or do you know anybody who has done this successfully?
One question I still have (i.e. the vendor will have it): What happens if I as the buyer default? I mean the bank is the first to get their money and then, the vendor gets his from what's left? What if I go bankrupt? (of course I don't intend to but these are all questions to which I must have an answer when negotiating with a vendor).
Is there any site/book/publication where I can read more about this i.e. details, documents etc.?
Oops, perhaps I should clarify. I'd like to buy with this approach and then sell to wrapee. But forget the selling for now. Let's concentrate on me being the buyer of a property. I want to buy it with no money down.
So from what I hear, what I described seems to be possible i.e. the vendor does a "deposit vendor financing" on me for the 20%. He takes out a second mortgage (from what I hear at a much higher interest rate) and I'm the one that pays it.
So I end up with a loan of 240k to my regular lender at regular interest rate and another one of 60k to the vendor with higher interest rate.
Then, if I sell the whole thing for about 320-330k at 2% higher interest rate that that I'm paying for the 240k I'd still be around 100-150$ pw ahead.
I'm thinking of getting Rick Otton's wrap pack for starters. Other than that, it's hard to find any decent literature on the subject. Of course I've read Steve McKnight and Craig Turnbull but, at least in the books, they only scratch the surface. What other source of info would you recommend?
About all that management you just described, are there property managers that specialize in this (in QLD)? Would they use that software you mentioned and take care of the daily business? What would my involvement need to be? Do you know how much they charge?
What do you mean with "managed properly"? What is there to manage when a house is sold to a wrapee, I thought he takes care of everything from then on e.g. rates & maintenance? I'd just have to take care of insurance, right?
The big unknown for me is the process of reposession. I hardly believe that goes smoothly. Do your managers take care of that? How long can the process take?
You say 300$ per month? How much interest do you charge the wrapee over the interest you are paying? From what I hear 2% is ok. So for a house that cost me [email protected]% interest which I sell for [email protected]% (both P&I@25 years) that gives me: 2069$ vs. 2621$ equaling 552$ per month positive. Say the wrapee gives me 10k deposit. It's then 464$ positive ([email protected]%). Am I missing something here?
In any case, I'd be more interested in a long term commitment. My "strategy" would be to first replace my job income with income from wraps and then balance wraps vs. buy&holds.
My next question, does buying a house first work this way: you look for a house and sign a contract that allows you access to the house. During settlement you advertise and show the prop to buyers and ideally you let them sign the contract with you starting on the settlement day. Do you make the contract "subject to finding a buyer" or something similar?
How would the strategy work to find a buyer first? You advertise and then they show up, then you look for a house for them and take them with you all the time?
Oh, and one last question, if you allow me: How many of your wrapees default (percentage)? How do you handle this situation?
Hi Fidel,
I’m just a beginner but here is what I’d do (I think 30% deposit is too much):
Situation 1: not enough equity, enough cashflow:
– either wait for equity to build up (maybe 6 months and then revalue)
– or add value by small and cheap renovations paid for with your salary and revalue then (paint etc.)
– or get a 95% loan (sure with mortgage insurance but hey, that’s another growing property)
– the more properties – the faster you’d build up equity (I mean the growth percentage should be the same, the absolute amounts would be greater)
– and you’re right, I wouldn’t go P&I because on the short term (1-2 years) you won’t be able to increase your equity by that much. Try to manufacture your own capital growth instead.
Situation 2: not enough cashflow, enough equity:
– get a low/no doc loan
– get an extra line of credit for an amount that would cover the difference between rents and outgoings (interest, rates) for the house for say, the next 5 years. Ater that, the rent should have increased enough to cover those expenses. Example: if you have to pay 150$ per week extra (i.e. interest + other expenses – rent=150$), get 39k. As you use it you pay interest on that but hopefully your property will grow much faster. Also 39k is a bold projection because you will increase the rent gradually and the 150$ per week extra will become less and less.
Situation 3: not enough from both:
– minimize your expenses
– get a raise / another job
– go to situation 1
– read books on creative financing
Thank you both for your comments.
Yes, it would be a small room (2.30×2.30m), but enough for a single bed & desk (or a small wardrobe) I think.
The only problem I have (besides getting a reliable tradesman) is that if I make it a room, where will the people eat i.e. there will be no dining area then. (I personally don’t care because we are outside most of the time). So, is the lack of dining area a big problem?
Hi Debbie,
Thanks for sharing this info. So could you tell me the difference (in $$ or percentage) between what increase in value I could expect when adding a 4th bedroom or adding a study? How “valuable” is a study?
Hmm… I myself wouldn’t use the dining area and I won’t miss it. It just sits there, an unused space. And because I’m also planning to add a pergola which would serve as an outdoor dining/whatever area it should be fine, I think.
Another option I considered is to remove the walls of the current dining area completely and thus increase the size of the adjacent lounge/living room. But that would still leave me with a 3brm house…
Cool thanks. I don’t intend to sell. I’m just interested in what the valuer would say. My wife and I personally don’t need that extra room. I’m doing it just because it seems to be an easy/cheap job but it would add good value.
My intention is to move out in a year or two and rent it out anyway.
So, is there somebody in Brissie who can recommend me a tradie to do the above work?
All other bedrooms have built-ins. But if I added one to the 4th bedroom/study, it would become too small. Now one can easily put a single bed and a desk there.
So, am I right that calling it a “bedroom” would make the house more valuable (“4brm house” then) compared to calling it a “3brm+study”? Is it really that easy?